LED and BUD QUALITY

[Tomatoesonly]

has anyone here thought about how big healthy plants grow the best flowers.

so if you grew big, healthy plants with hps but can't do it with leds maybe it's because you have not figured out how to grow with leds yet?

I would bet this is the case. More than enough people have replied that LED's are a learning curve.

If you have no patience, I could easily see some of these guys just going back to what they know and worked before. I guess that's why there's no ONE WAY to grow. Some people just won't give up soil, and others think that stuff is for the dirt farmers of the 1800's

 

[Mitsuharu]

Nah you just need regalia, harpin proteins, 36 days of darkness, chitin extract, 5 brands of brewers enzymes, weekly top dresses of sugar sprout tea, fermented fruit cocktail, twice as much fertilizer in your soil as normal and you needs to shake your trees while chanting prayers every night at 3:33am.

I did a side by side under led, after getting big sticky indo pretendo buds that taste bad and have no effect: Fed half with SRP, fed half with Seabird guano for phosphorus. The half fed rock phosphate tasted like garbage, aka "terroir". The half fed seabird guano all had their strain-specific flavor profiles and effects.

MH would have put that SRP to use, and found whatever flavor of sulfur it could use in the soil. Led needed to be spoon fed microbes and prayer scrolls along with the phos, and special manure grade thiosulfate offerings. Led simply sucks at processing any and all minerals aside from nitrates. Under led, the plants do not exude the same chemicals from the root. I can grow a qp 12/12 from seed under led, but if I want to smoke it I have to start soluble feeding after two weeks. Everything but nitrogen. The quality will be bad otherwise. If you see yellow new growth or blue old leaves under led you've already ruined the quality. (And most led grows go from yellow to blue, never really hitting green at all. Everyone's colorblind apparently)

Seems like you just heard something but never did a LED grow by yourself!

I will post pics, not of the led grow as that was a year ago maybe and I don't have pics of that, not that there's something to see in that grow, it was trash the min I flipped to flower under them, vegging was stellar though I'll give them that.

I like it, in terms of looks its solid as it can be Smoke test it ? I'm willing to bet it's medicore. Also the trichs are round and nice, but too much neck on them, the globe is too small also by looks alone, but that's just a pic with a zoom, we can never know until we smoke it.

You are just lying/hating, don't know what hate is going on from your side to a light tech, pretty strange what you are posting here against facts(what everybody is showing in their grow-reports).




Btw, i experienced no learning curve when starting with LED a few months ago, everything is going fine.

 

[Switcher56]

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thank you so much for the correction! that is a nice flower! and it's led too.

do you think it's potent? do you think you have underdeveloped trich heads?

your moniker says that's all you need to know but a lot of people want to know more.

and since you're here have you grown with both sources.?

That was day 66F (6 Jan 21). She was flushed on the 10th and harvested on the 22nd. (According to pic and grow log)

I veg for 6 to 8 weeks I mainline my grows. I will flower from 9 to 12wks. Trichs tell me when to harvest.

Each plant provided me with 2oz. More than enough to meet my medical demand. That was Dutch Treat the 2nd time I grew her so I knew what to expect. Total run 7.5oz, because I had a Bd that was a runt. Otherwise it could very well have been 9oz

My grows are dialed in for my growing habitat, habits and local environment. My 10-12 weeks include the flush. Which is a week to 10 days (I grow in HP Promix.) Feeding with Remo nutrients. Hey, he's Canadian and his nutes work for me. Isn't it all that really matters? I Water Dry Dry Feed D D W on a 7 day cycle.

I am here to learn, but I also realize when folks are talking rubbish. I wouldn't associate myself with dudes like that in real life. I'll be damned if I am here.

I'm an X Marine Engineer and Control Sys. Tech. I change (experiment) one thing at most 2 per run. Only if I know going in, that one will not affect the outcome of the other. Why? The "sound" rationale is, if you tweaked "multiples". which one did what, more importantly which one of those tweaks turned south on you.

I am a neophyte to growing (4 yrs) but not to cannabis which I have returned to medically after and absence of 34 yrs. I did my due diligence and didn't simply plant a bean, join ICMag and ask... "Now what".

At the end of the day, I grow more medicine than I actually need from 4 plants. It meets my needs, demands, with my growing conditions and environment. That is all that really matters. IMHO everyone is free to float their own boat, or whatever turns their crank!

 

[delta9nxs]

That was day 66F ( Jan 21). She was flushed on the 10th and harvested on the 22nd. (According to pic and grow log)

I veg for 6 to 8 weeks I mainline my grows. I will flower from 9 to 12wks. Trichs tell me when to harvest.
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Each plant provided me with 2oz. More than enough to meet my medical demand. That was Dutch Treat the 2nd time I grew her so I knew what to expect. Total run 7.5oz, because I had a Bd that was a runt. Otherwise it could very well have been 9oz

My grows are dialed in for my growing habitat, habits and local environment. My 10-12 weeks include the flush. Which is a week to 10 days (I grow in HP Promix.) Feeding with Remo nutrients. Hey, he's Canadian and his nutes work for me. Isn't it all that really matters? I Water Dry Dry Feed D D W on a 7 day cycle.

I am here to learn, but I also realize when folks are talking rubbish. I wouldn't associate myself with dudes like that in real life. I'll be damned if I am here.

I'm an X Marine Engineer and Control Sys. Tech. I change (experiment) one thing at most 2 per run. Only if I know going in, that one will not affect the outcome of the other. Why? The "sound" rationale is, if you tweaked "multiples". which one did what, more importantly which one of those tweaks turned south on you.

I am a neophyte to growing (4 yrs) but not to cannabis which I have returned to medically after and absence of 34 yrs. I did my due diligence and didn't simply plant a bean, join ICMag and ask... "Now what".

At the end of the day, I grow more medicine than I actually need from 4 plants. It meets my needs, demands, with my growing conditions and environment. That is all that really matters. IMHO everyone is free to flat their own boat!

yes indeed. i would be dead right now if it were not for cannabis. it has treated me and helped me survive some very difficult times. thank you!

btw, those trichs are magnificent!

one more thing. are those fused double-trich heads in the lower middle of the first pic?

 

[Mitsuharu]

Has it occured to you that everything you say is just excuses for a lame tech, a lot of maybe, but not a lot of assurance, wow, such a superior product.

What you are suggesting is that all the people who knew and know how to grow killer Bud all these years suddenly don't know what they are doing... Again, just excuse as far as I'm concerned, take note to what @linde has said, don't believe everything you read or see, especially if it comes from paid and bought universities or papers, from people who each time over our history been caught lying about 99% of what they feed us

What!? I don't have to believe something i read or see because i'm doing it right now and it's good! And i'm growing for nearly 12 years. And i did my first indoor grows with HPS...

Are you even a grower!? For me it seems like you are a random 16 - 20 year old stoner who is trolling people over the internet. I don't see you here in the forum as a grower and i'm pretty active and interested here this past year since i'm active again. Maybe that's why you are always talking about dispensary prizes, you just are not a grower!? We don't even have dispensaries here, even clones are illegal in our country. I don't care for prizes, i grow my own for myself.

I have a 100w LED, no one from any industry is paying me for praying something i don't like or what's not working.

 

[vermontman]

has anyone here thought about how big healthy plants grow the best flowers.

so if you grew big, healthy plants with hps but can't do it with leds maybe it's because you have not figured out how to grow with leds yet?

throughout the industry, people are still new to leds and i hear a lot of experienced growers talk about the learning curve.

the learning curve. just like when you first started growing at all for the first time, i know i faced what looked to me like a wall of new information and i spent the first few years just fighting my way up the learning curve.

some miserable failures and total crop losses.

but, as i learned i got better and better, and now i never lose a plant.

i harvest everything i put into flower.

why would an entire industry shift to leds? and they have. i design large spaces and talk to professionals mostly.

about the only folks i know still using hps are basically hobby growers.

I have grown pretty massive plants indoors under LED
The first two pics are my own strain Zacastecsas Tribute a cross of my Oaxacan Gold X Big Sur Holy weed and last pic is of my straight up Oaxacan gold original gold line. I grew these in 35 gallon pots and the Zacatecas yielded one full pound of prime chunk. The Oax put out about 3/4 of a pound.

 

[Switcher56]

yes indeed. i would be dead right now if it were not for cannabis. it has treated me and helped me survive some very difficult times. thank you!

btw, those trichs are magnificent!

one more thing. are those fused double-trich heads in the lower middle of the first pic?

Can't take credit for that one good buddy. Those are "Rosenthal" pics. But yes it does appear a couple are with child

Immature

Overripe

 

[snakedope]

As long as your happy with ur 100w led weed that's all that matters bud, take it easy

Delta, that learning curve... Yes we are still waiting for the manual on how to grow with low intensity lights (LEDs) in order to get to a killer product, so far all we hear are words like learning curve, getting used to it and other absurd stuff, which is, and I will say it again ! Just a cover up for something inferior, not superior.

Commercialvand medical ops all turned to LEDs cuz it leaves more money in their pockets, period

 

[zachrockbadenof]

Btw, i experienced no learning curve when starting with LED a few months ago, everything is going fine.

me toooo... 30days into 12/12, and they look good- of course still have a long way to go...

 

[vermontman]

I grow with LEDS because it grows great cannabis.
My very own GREEN MOUNTAIN GRAPE

 

[delta9nxs]

I grow with LEDS because it grows great cannabis.
My very own GREEN MOUNTAIN GRAPE


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oh my god! fuck yeah dude! now you must tell me what light you used! there are a bunch of halfassed led fixtures being made that don't do what the manufacturers claim.

this one obviously delivers

 

[g0dzilla]

I grow with LEDS because it grows great cannabis.
My very own GREEN MOUNTAIN GRAPE


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Imagine bashing this technology for 40+ pages . Haha great work @vermontman

 

[Broggemann]

Same here, my LED plants are healthy as they can be, still the resin quality is subpar.
LM301B.
It looks amazing, but the resin has no stickyness and the high is muted and short-lived.

I can't explain it, and I wish that it could be otherwise, because I love the ease of use of LEDs.
But I will be going back to HPS/CMH next round.

And, imho, it has nothing to do with headless trichomes, even properly made bubble hash has lost its "magic".

 

[vermontman]

oh my god! fuck yeah dude! now you must tell me what light you used! there are a bunch of halfassed led fixtures being made that don't do what the manufacturers claim.

this one obviously delivers

Hey Delta9!
I use nothing but Blurples! The light is not great to work in or look at but man I love them, from super fast stought veg to big chunky flowers, and I have tried a few different kinds, spent tons of money, but now all I us is Galaxyhydro 2000W actual watt usage 360W each. I run them daisy chained in series and fairly tight but at under $200 they are very inexpensive.
I know people will trash them, HAHA but I love everthing about them, they are fairly compact and light weight hey you can see what comes out.
And hell yes! my cannabis smells and tastes amazing and will rip you a new one. HAHA

 

[goingrey]

Hey Delta9!
I use nothing but Blurples! The light is not great to work in or look at but man I love them, from super fast stought veg to big chunky flowers, and I have tried a few different kinds, spent tons of money, but now all I us is Galaxyhydro 2000W actual watt usage 360W each. I run them daisy chained in series and fairly tight but at under $200 they are very inexpensive.
I know people will trash them, HAHA but I love everthing about them, they are fairly compact and light weight hey you can see what comes out.
And hell yes! my cannabis smells and tastes amazing and will rip you a new one. HAHA

They are actually going for just over $100 nowadays. What kind of g/(actual)W are you getting?

 

[vermontman]

They are actually going for just over $100 nowadays. What kind of g/(actual)W are you getting?

Yes those are the smaller ones, actual watt draw I believe is 130W
Those are called 1000W
I use what is referred to as 2000W at 360 actual watt draw and daisychain them together to fill in the spaces with the smaller ones.
Heck they were such a deal I bought twice as many as I need in case I ever need replacements I have been running these for maybe 5 years now?
Hope that helps!

 

[goingrey]

Yes those are the smaller ones actual watt draw I believe is 130W
Those are called 1000W I use what is reffered to as 2000W at 360 actual watt draw and fill in the spaces with the smaller.
Hope that helps!

Nah those are going for $70. Cheap as.. something cheap.

 

[vermontman]

Nah those are going for $70. Cheap as.. something cheap.

Cool
I might pic up a few more!
Mulanje Gold African Grow,
with white lights on, oh I cannot take pics the blurples mess up the photos.

 

[goingrey]

Yep def seems like a great deal. And I have seen good results with blurples also from others, never tried them myself. But yeah not sure if they yield as well as the newer white LED lights, both of those do sure look like some yielders though.

 

[snakedope]

It looks dank
My money is still on the table that only medicore smoke can come from LEDs..
Pictures ain't gonna change that, but it's always nice to see beautiful colors.