LED and BUD QUALITY

[Switcher56]

<cough>bullshit</cough>

What came 1st the chicken or the egg.

 

[Switcher56]

Don't know the delta and honestly I couldn't care less. After all my daddy is stronger than your daddy! My belly button told me so.

 

[snakedope]

Never intended to disrespect you or anyone else, and I wish you well and a great deal of health
We haven't talked about human factors but about LED tech, so I try to keep it about that

And my paragraph about leaving the actual science was a joke if you didn't notice.

All in all do what you gotta do to survive, it's all good, LEDs are a blessing to those who need them I guess, for others it's just not the solution or a better solution from what we have for years,
It's like putting used cooking oil in your diesel car instead of diesel, sure it will fire and run but it won't be optimal, same same.

 

[linde]

no, but you can be fooled every time. it's not hard to be fooled when you're already close!

your ignorance is so incredibly massive!

you tell everyone not to believe in science yet you use the results of this same science every day in your real life. the same physical principles apply to all matter and light.

you obviously have a computer, and a cell phone, you may or may not even own an automobile but you still use the science of transportation. you use science every day in all facets of your life.

do you not see that you telling other growers to ignore science may actually hurt them in some way?

for example, a sick person trying to grow their own medicine to ease their pain and suffering?

if they believe you they will use a high heat source that will cause them to use more overall energy.

and the high heat inhibits the development of cannabinoids and terpenes.

most people who are very ill also are being squeezed financially because they can't work.

you will have them gambling with results.

maybe you don't know how heartbreaking it is to be extremely ill with low energy and finances and then have a crop failure that you were counting on for both a little relief and maybe a little cash to buy groceries and medicine.

i know because i have been there.

i am a liver transplant and cancer patient and if it were not for this amazing plant i wouldn't be here now.

so please think before you give people potentially damaging, unsubstantiated information.

this plant is 19 days into flower today. this is what i'm growing right now.

not bad trich development for 19 days.

blow the flower shot up to see very nice early trich growth.

Everything said on here is opinion . Don't take it to heart. Not sure what you're getting at but if you are saying that LEDs grow better dope than HiD then you are dead wrong. I've been growing cannabis since 1988 and I don't need science to tell me anything. If it works for u then great but don't tell us some BS that you get better cannabinoids and terps from LEDS cuz it simply isn't true. Good day.

 

[delta9nxs]

Everything said on here is opinion . Don't take it to heart. Not sure what you're getting at but if you are saying that LEDs grow better dope than HiD then you are dead wrong. I've been growing cannabis since 1988 and I don't need science to tell me anything. If it works for u then great but don't tell us some BS that you get better cannabinoids and terps from LEDS cuz it simply isn't true. Good day.

go back in this very thread to the research papers that i have posted.

one of them shows that leds with the correct spectrum actually do produce a higher cannabinoid and terpene content with leds than with hps.

i have 22 years of experience with hps and 4 years of experience with leds.

what i'm saying is not just my opinion. it is based on research papers and my own experience.

here's what i think may be generating the idea that leds don't produce as well as hps;

you guys are all talking about and using store-bought led light fixtures, i don't and have never used one.

until they came out with combined spectrum white light leds the manufacturers were using highly specific diodes that probably didn't have the correct overall spectral distribution.

now, companies like mars hydro are using two overlapping white light diodes.

i just read in their literature that they are using 3000k and 5000k color temp white light diodes at the same time in their fixtures.

then adding some far red and maybe a little uv.

so, for sure the early leds did not produce well and they had problems with chlorosis displays as a result.

and if they have some sort of display going on doesn't that indicate the plant is having internal problems with it's chemistry because of bad spectrum?

please look closely at this plant and tell me if it is growing properly without displays.

 

[linde]

Can u grow good dope with LEDs? Sure. Can u save electricity with LEDs? Sure. We are not disputing that. But...Can u grow BETTER dope with LEDs? Absolutely not. That's what this thread is about . LED and BUD QUALITY. It's no wonder dispensary dope is $100 a zip here in Michigan. It's all LED grown and they can't sell it. Nobody wants it.

 

[linde]

go back in this very thread to the research papers that i have posted.

one of them shows that leds with the correct spectrum actually do produce a higher cannabinoid and terpene content with leds than with hps.

i have 22 years of experience with hps and 4 years of experience with leds.

what i'm saying is not just my opinion. it is based on research papers and my own experience.

here's what i think may be generating the idea that leds don't produce as well as hps;

you guys are all talking about and using store-bought led light fixtures, i don't and have never used one.

until they came out with combined spectrum white light leds the manufacturers were using highly specific diodes that probably didn't have the correct overall spectral distribution.

now, companies like mars hydro are using two overlapping white light diodes.

i just read in their literature that they are using 3000k and 5000k color temp white light diodes at the same time in their fixtures.

then adding some far red and maybe a little uv.

so, for sure the early leds did not produce well and they had problems with chlorosis displays as a result.

and if they have some sort of display going on doesn't that indicate the plant is having internal problems with it's chemistry because of bad spectrum?

please look closely at this plant and tell me if it is growing properly without displays.

Don't believe everything u read.

 

[delta9nxs]

Don't believe everything u read.

has it occurred to you that the reason some don't get a quality product with leds is that they don't either have a good light with the proper spectrum or, just maybe, they don't have the environment dialed or, possibly they just don't know what they are doing.

we are just going round and round here with opinions and i don't see many people posting references to research, which i have done and no one has even read.

so i suggest we do some sort of contest using certificates of analysis. they are cheap and readily available.

 

[delta9nxs]

Certificate of Analysis (COA) Interpretation for Medical Marijuana Patients. November 17, 2022. By: Katie Kloss. A Certificate of Analysis (COA), colloquially referred to as “lab results” or “test results,” is a verified document from a third-party laboratory that provides details related to product potency and purity

 

[Three Berries]

Ha, I grew for 5 years with 3-$20 homemade 100w 4000k cobs.

 

[bloyd]

I'd pay for testing on a d9/snakedope led/hid growoff.

 

[delta9nxs]

I'd pay for testing on a d9/snakedope led/hid growoff.

what we should do is a football pool betting set up on the results. winner take all!

 

[g0dzilla]

I'd pay for testing on a d9/snakedope led/hid growoff.

I got 5 on it

 

[delta9nxs]

I got 5 on it

godzilla, goddam, that's a great screen name!

 

[g0dzilla]

godzilla, goddam, that's a great screen name!

Pre legalization, was looking for a username that would never tie back to me and sure enough it was on the TV at the time. Now a decade+ later I have to introduce myself as G0dzilla from ICmag.

Regardless I got my money on you winning . Cheers !

 

[Switcher56]

Don't believe everything u read.

 

[snakedope]

has it occurred to you that the reason some don't get a quality product with leds is that they don't either have a good light with the proper spectrum or, just maybe, they don't have the environment dialed or, possibly they just don't know what they are doing.

we are just going round and round here with opinions and i don't see many people posting references to research, which i have done and no one has even read.

so i suggest we do some sort of contest using certificates of analysis. they are cheap and readily available.

Has it occured to you that everything you say is just excuses for a lame tech, a lot of maybe, but not a lot of assurance, wow, such a superior product.

What you are suggesting is that all the people who knew and know how to grow killer Bud all these years suddenly don't know what they are doing... Again, just excuse as far as I'm concerned, take note to what @linde has said, don't believe everything you read or see, especially if it comes from paid and bought universities or papers, from people who each time over our history been caught lying about 99% of what they feed us, once a liar, always a liar.
At least in the field of Bud quality the lie can't go on forever, people will realize that the stuff they get for 100$ oz is not even worth that.

 

[delta9nxs]

Has it occured to you that everything you say is just excuses for a lame tech, a lot of maybe, but not a lot of assurance, wow, such a superior product.

What you are suggesting is that all the people who knew and know how to grow killer Bud all these years suddenly don't know what they are doing... Again, just excuse as far as I'm concerned, take note to what @linde has said, don't believe everything you read or see, especially if it comes from paid and bought universities or papers, from people who each time over our history been caught lying about 99% of what they feed us, once a liar, always a liar.

i am suggesting nothing of the kind! you are the one making these inferences, not me.

i have seen a lot of folks on this mag grow some absolutely fantastic flowers over the years. and i'm not talking about mine here.

and you came on here in june and immediately started criticizing the flowers of some of the best growers on the planet.

that's what got me started on you!

switcher56 just showed some nice hps flowers why can't we see yours?

 

[delta9nxs]

by the way, did anyone see anything wrong with the plant i showed? does it look healthy? does it show any displays at all?

 

[zachrockbadenof]

, I just finished my very first run under 315cmh. I got sick of paying to heat the LED room in the winters. The terps smell very similiar, but the high is waaaaay more intense now. The structure of the plants were exponentially more sturdy. The damn things were sooooo stiff, and stretched way less. Super tight node spacing too.

wow...

Certificate of Analysis (COA) Interpretation for Medical Marijuana Patients. November 17, 2022. By: Katie Kloss. A Certificate of Analysis (COA), colloquially referred to as “lab results” or “test results,” is a verified document from a third-party laboratory that provides details related to product potency and purity

not to be a poo-poo-head... i remember some years ago, i think in washington state they sent samples to 6 diff labs, and each came back with diff thc strengths.. from 21-29... now that was some years ago.... maybe testing has gotten better...