LED and BUD QUALITY

[Greenheart]

I wonder if adding a few t5ho 3' lamps with Aquarium coral bulbs or Reptile UV bulbs in between your bars would pump up the Terps?

I tried supplementing my GE's with flukers reptile bulbs. It did help prevent some of the chlorosis but the bud was sub par in the end.

Currently got a cut of something called deadhead from a local dispensary in some FFOF. That should rule out my home brewed genetics as being the culprit. I spent 5 years brewing them so I'm pretty confident in the genetics I was using. That will not be a factor on the next run.

I gave her a week in the window and she was green. I transplanted from dixie cup into a 3 gal smart pot of FFOF and put her under LED. Within 5 days the chlorosis started coming on. We'll see if I can figure out this LED thing yet!

 

[Three Berries]

They are Ca hogs under LEDs. Small plants too are pretty sensitive to stunting from too much LED from what I have seen.

 

[lophing highena]

My go to light brand is Sonlipo on Amazon. They are inexpensive, have a broader spectrum with UV and IR, really well made, dimmable, can be daisy chained, and efficient. I have not grown any cannabis under it yet, but it has been making my Trichocereus cacti grow great.Its been running 18 hours per day for about 11months with no problems.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

last few grows were in a 4x3.5ft tent with '2' 315 cmh's, which i thought was not enough lite

we have upgraded to a 5x5ft tent with a mars fce8000 which is running at around 65pct- we are 25days into 12/12, and so far we not changed anything from our cmh grow... except add a touch of cal-mag with each feeding - the soil is mostly FFOF with a bit of promix and worm castings - and we are using fox farm's 10 bottles of nutes (PITA) - so far at least everything looks ok- i have noticed that there seems to be less stretch under led's - so far there has been no bleaching even tho the lites are 12inches or less from the tops - here is a pic of the top of the 'runtz' -

 

[linde]

LEDs are certainly the most efficient light source out there. And they make very excellent buds. No contest or real controversy any longer.

I agree with being efficient but no way on the bud quality. Tried them and done with them. Nothing beats good old Hps for budding. End of story. LEDs are a gimmick just like the smart pots.

 

[Corpselover Fat]

<cough>bullshit</cough>

 

[Tomatoesonly]

<cough>bullshit</cough>

HE said "end of story". Which is code for " My opinion goes beyond theory, it's now a law." Non arguable.

 

[YellowCanaryConsulting]

<cough>bullshit</cough>

Nah you just need regalia, harpin proteins, 36 days of darkness, chitin extract, 5 brands of brewers enzymes, weekly top dresses of sugar sprout tea, fermented fruit cocktail, twice as much fertilizer in your soil as normal and you needs to shake your trees while chanting prayers every night at 3:33am.

I did a side by side under led, after getting big sticky indo pretendo buds that taste bad and have no effect: Fed half with SRP, fed half with Seabird guano for phosphorus. The half fed rock phosphate tasted like garbage, aka "terroir". The half fed seabird guano all had their strain-specific flavor profiles and effects.

MH would have put that SRP to use, and found whatever flavor of sulfur it could use in the soil. Led needed to be spoon fed microbes and prayer scrolls along with the phos, and special manure grade thiosulfate offerings. Led simply sucks at processing any and all minerals aside from nitrates. Under led, the plants do not exude the same chemicals from the root. I can grow a qp 12/12 from seed under led, but if I want to smoke it I have to start soluble feeding after two weeks. Everything but nitrogen. The quality will be bad otherwise. If you see yellow new growth or blue old leaves under led you've already ruined the quality. (And most led grows go from yellow to blue, never really hitting green at all. Everyone's colorblind apparently)

 

[Koondense]

You guys better stop smoking whatever you're smoking...

 

[JKD]

I think it’s paint.

 

[Brother Nature]

Paint dried under hps only though, that led dried paint ain’t shit…

 

[Corpselover Fat]

Paint dried under hps only though, that led dried paint ain’t shit…

All the IR in HPS light probably does dry paint quicker than LED

 

[snakedope]

There is certainly a bunch of people that think LEDs are great, I meet them all day, they claim they grow the best weed under it, "old skool" pot, year 2000 pot (yeah right) and so on..
But when u smoke it, it's shit, I have yet to smoke good led weed, is it hiding somewhere ? I smoke for 20 years, never had potency or taste or smell issue, used to smoke 30-40g a month of Purple zombie kush that used to KO me every single time. Now we smoke double that and it's still not enough...

In the last 3 years it has got to a point that
No one can explain why, but before LEDs came into the game the market was rock solid in all parameters.

Now some will say genetics wash, some say these LEDs are better then those LEDs and so on.

I have yet to figure out what caused such a shift in the quality game all around the world..
I do see some nice grows with LEDs (delta that's you ) but do they smoke well ? Do they have the effects ? The taste ? The smell that fills the whole room when u just open the lid ? These are the questions that matters the most in the end but can't be answered through a screen.

I can post amazing LED flowers that a friend of mine did, and it is spectacular weed indeed by the looks of it... La Smoke is a whole different story.

 

[Brother Nature]

Some people grow well under whatever and some don’t, not a hard concept to grasp.

 

[snakedope]

By the looks of it yes, like I said the smoke test is a different story.

 

[linde]

On paper LEDs are the way to go. More efficient. Less heat. Full spectrum. Last longer etc etc. But. In practice it just doesn't work better. Stretching plants. Yellowing. Fox tailing. Deficiencies and most importantly less resin. Now hold on a second I have seen good results with the COB LEDs but for me HPS are tried and true. Each to their own.

 

[snakedope]

A press test of the same clone will verify either of the notions we rattle about here..

I also saw big improvement in COBs over QBs or Stripes.. the logic behind this is the fact they compact the diodes more closely, only to mimic a single high intensity source better lol.. same concept they like to deny so much which is already tried and true in HIDs ..

 

[wandering81]

Well, i guess there are exceptions
Like i said, i also had a duckfoot that showed good trichomes under the LED i had, and i had a 1000usd LED panel, 800w..
It wasent enough, still didnt have a "high" enough feeling, didn't have enough glue to compare to any HPS flowers that i have or smoked before people started switching to LEDs..

The thing is, im growing over 15 years, never had any problems like those i am laying out for you to consider, we have medical ops in my country for 10+ years, their stuff was always killer, high terps and killer high that most people here would avoid if i offered them a toke of it just because it was too damn strong..

In the last 2-3 years something has changed, no more glue, almost no smell, no high...
i mean, what happened ?
its across the board, everyone, the medical ops, the hobby growers, the gangsters, everyone now have shit to smoke, they deliver high g\w figures but the stuff itself is no good, not worth 1 dollar.
So, the soil remain the same, the strains are the same, everything is the same except one thing, they all changed the lights to LED.

The commercial and medical ops around here used to grow outdoors and HIDs, no one ever complained and quality was above the chart, so above that a gram used to cost 30usd !
you probably wonder where im from ?
Now a gram cost here 5-7 usd, as quality went downhill so badly its not even worth the 5-7 usd.
It gets to a point where rolling tobacco is better then some of the weed they sell here, well most of it not some

My conclusion about this whole thing is that there are some strains that can do fine without so much intensity, my duckfoot plant had the terps, had some glue, nothing comparable still,
But 95% of strains wont do good under LEDs, its just a fact, look at LED grow diaries, mostly you will see flowers like the LED flower pic i put, 90% trichome stalks, almost no heads, and if there are heads, they are under developed, now switch to CMH and HID grow diaries, Chunckys, B4URTIME, these people dont leave the MH\CMH\HPS, and for good reason, they get killer results.

Its not smoking mirrors but an actual phenomena, something is not right.
Cant be that all those guys that delivered killer shit all of a sudden have no idea what they are doing..
The culprit is the thing that changed, and the only thing i saw changed was switching to LEDs

I took a trip to some hydro stores here, they all have massive qty of 1000+ HID kits just sitting there, no one wants to buy them, everyone has switched to LEDs...
Not to proclaim myself to nothing, but im well connected where i live, used to have the most killer shit ever, now ? im just rolling tobacco...

I think your onto something here brother. ive been running LEDS and the same cuts for a few years now. Samsung 301b. HPS long before that while i was an alcoholic, so i dont remember the quality, sure got me high tho. lol. The flowers and terps are amazing under LED, once i dialed them in. . However, I just finished my very first run under 315cmh. I got sick of paying to heat the LED room in the winters. The terps smell very similiar, but the high is waaaaay more intense now. The structure of the plants were exponentially more sturdy. The damn things were sooooo stiff, and stretched way less. Super tight node spacing too. Im in love with these 315cmh. no more heaters, less fertilizer,. 4 plants scrogged in a 4x4 with 2x315cmh, coco multifeed dtw, 2.2lbs. im convinced i can squeeze closer to 3 with 1-2 plants scrogged. Im not even sure if i want to hook up the LEDS come summer time seeing the quality difference..

 

[snakedope]

I think your onto something here brother. ive been running LEDS and the same cuts for a few years now. Samsung 301b.

I'm waiting now for someone to jump and claim those are not good LEDs, that's why you have trouble with them, you must buy newer ! Buy osram ! No wait buy HLG !
But wait again, delta has china walmart LEDs buy those Ive seen what he can do with them they are da bomb b !
and then when u buy other/newer and get same shit results they tell you hold on now which LEDs are u using lol umol ? Dli ? No no no u need this umol with added sugar, spice and everything nice.

Leave the ACTUAL science behind, forget about the glorious past, come in, we have pretty words, initials, and beautiful looking flowers here, oh and fork over a buck for umol while your at it...

I find it funny, people that don't know the basic laws and principals about lights are selling and explaining shit about them that don't even come close to reality, all for the sake of self glory that's based upon false presumptions and money.

These are the same people who think the spotless gmo banana in the store is same like a normal banana just cuz they both called bananas
No point in arguing with those people, they refuse reality.

There's an old saying, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.

 

[delta9nxs]

I'm waiting now for someone to jump and claim those are not good LEDs, that's why you have trouble with them, you must buy newer ! Buy osram ! No wait buy HLG !
But wait again, delta has china walmart LEDs buy those Ive seen what he can do with them they are da bomb b !
and then when u buy other/newer and get same shit results they tell you hold on now which LEDs are u using lol umol ? Dli ? No no no u need this umol with added sugar, spice and everything nice.

Leave the ACTUAL science behind, forget about the glorious past, come in, we have pretty words, initials, and beautiful looking flowers here, oh and fork over a buck for umol while your at it...

I find it funny, people that don't know the basic laws and principals about lights are selling and explaining shit about them that don't even come close to reality, all for the sake of self glory that's based upon false presumptions and money.

These are the same people who think the spotless gmo banana in the store is same like a normal banana just cuz they both called bananas
No point in arguing with those people, they refuse reality.

There's an old saying, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.

no, but you can be fooled every time. it's not hard to be fooled when you're already close!

your ignorance is so incredibly massive!

you tell everyone not to believe in science yet you use the results of this same science every day in your real life. the same physical principles apply to all matter and light.

you obviously have a computer, and a cell phone, you may or may not even own an automobile but you still use the science of transportation. you use science every day in all facets of your life.

do you not see that you telling other growers to ignore science may actually hurt them in some way?

for example, a sick person trying to grow their own medicine to ease their pain and suffering?

if they believe you they will use a high heat source that will cause them to use more overall energy.

and the high heat inhibits the development of cannabinoids and terpenes.

most people who are very ill also are being squeezed financially because they can't work.

you will have them gambling with results.

maybe you don't know how heartbreaking it is to be extremely ill with low energy and finances and then have a crop failure that you were counting on for both a little relief and maybe a little cash to buy groceries and medicine.

i know because i have been there.

i am a liver transplant and cancer patient and if it were not for this amazing plant i wouldn't be here now.

so please think before you give people potentially damaging, unsubstantiated information.

this plant is 19 days into flower today. this is what i'm growing right now.

not bad trich development for 19 days.

blow the flower shot up to see very nice early trich growth.