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LED and BUD QUALITY

TrifektaSeeds

Active member
Good summering @johnnyla
Made me laugh for a sec, you remind me of my friend, I'm like come try this bud and he is like is it led bud ??
And he start telling me they grow, select, flower, all under leds so it's a lost cause from day one :D
I agree people seem to be extreme on one end very fast, cause everything that's different from what you are used to seems odd at first.
But at the end we are logical people, I haven't dismissed leds.

My personal grows under them were good in terms of overall health, size, structure whatever.. just no effect, no taste, almost no resin on the sciccors, I thought I was trippin for a few there...
Got myself back together, and did another run under HIDs, also turned out mids at best, same like leds, but I noticed the resin is different in its texture, a lot more on the sciccors, the smells were more powerful and pronounced..
By then I already knew that the problem is mostly genetics, why ?
Cause even if some HIDs grows edge out leds in quality, the difference lays in the genetics.
I'm willing to bet that elite clone under both will be killer with slight difference depending on grower environment.

When I look back to the op pondering question, I saw it aswell, HIDs have more sun like grows appearance, in all aspects.
Maybe that's why he found the hps buds to be better ?
This is so much opinion debate it's hard haha
 

dogzter

Drapetomaniac
I use specific ferts under specific lights and only keep the plants that excel.
I also only use vaporizers and don't smoke so again only the plants that excel at vaping get kept.
After doing that for multiple generations has selection for those specific conditions not been happening..........it has to be a factor if I understand the selection process correctly.
 

CocoNut 420

Well-known member
I don't understand the no resin or flavour part its baffling?

Dry sift is my favourite for flavour, I absolutely adore it.
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This is from leafs and the trim, iirc 56g of dry sift from 4 plants that outstanding.

I know for certain i don't get that amount of sift with hid?

My temps are generally below what's considered ideal circa 25c so I've room for improvement still (but £££ you know)
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If the individual is happy I'm delighted for them.

It's nice to actually discuss the pros cons with you guys as opposed to felling like I'm on one side or the other.
 

TrifektaSeeds

Active member
Those look very cool, is it under led ?
I noticed more no/sandy resin
in the cycles I did under leds, the HIDs did better no doubt in the resin aspects.
But both sucked at the end, the genetics are trash.
Hps didn't make it killer all of a sudden..
I think the debate is silly in the end because even if both lights have a 10% difference in quality (no matter to who) if the genetics is there you will have a good product.
There's a limit where you can notice changes, 5-10% is not noticable by most people if it doesn't have a physical manifestion like numbers to verify this change
When you smoke a led bud maybe it's smelling better, but less effect ?
So you have those little differences that make people judge here or there, depending again on opinion and the actual genetics they grew.
 

Fuel

Well-known member
Veteran
The observation is interesting. Though I'm not aware of any lights that are just white, except for cobs. However I have been tempted to order some. KB will make them if I ask.
Usually I'm running white plus 660. Which is what the BIG big brands offer.

God, almost 5 pages meanwhile ^^ Hot topic.

I've to correct my abuse of language, what i mean by pure white panels is panels built exclusively with the same white diode (LM301 series by example), versus more heterogeneous builds. It's why i'm still lost also when i consider the reddish old school lights, in term of PAR.

In term of observations, i take care to watch unbiased growlogs. Past a certain point of skills, i sincerely think that the type of the lights become a minored factor.
 

Hammerhead

Disabled Farmer
ICMag Donor
Veteran
''A good trichome type variety should have pretty large trichome heads visible without zoom.''


i guess this would qualify..... nice ones...

Nonsense.. Some of my best had the smallest heads ever. The size of the head doesn't mean its quality.

The Chemical makeup of the resin is what makes quality.. The Chemotype of any plant is very important.
 

TrifektaSeeds

Active member
Nonsense.. Some of my best had the smallest heads ever. The size of the head doesn't mean its quality.
Strange, you must be special then, every small head size trichomes plants (also known as duds) I've seen and smoked were shit in every parameter

But I agree like anything there are execptions.

It's not good to base something on exception but anyways
The Chemical makeup of the resin is what makes quality.. The Chemotype of any plant is very important.
I agree also, it's all in what's inside those trichs, do the genetic carry the effects or not ? That's the bottom line.
 

zachrockbadenof

Well-known member
Veteran
Nonsense.. Some of my best had the smallest heads ever. The size of the head doesn't mean its quality.

The Chemical makeup of the resin is what makes quality.. The Chemotype of any plant is very important.
i was trying to compliment the bud being shown.... is it good.... i have no clue.... looking good means nothing... i have had some weed that looks like shit (not in a good way), that was ass-kickin.... so yes to your 'nonsense' , but i was trying to say.... nice looking bud... and that is all...
 

unclefishstick

Fancy Janitor
ICMag Donor
Veteran
i was trying to compliment the bud being shown.... is it good.... i have no clue.... looking good means nothing... i have had some weed that looks like shit (not in a good way), that was ass-kickin.... so yes to your 'nonsense' , but i was trying to say.... nice looking bud... and that is all...
someone who runs a legal rec grow with the same cut is coming back for more
 

CocoNut 420

Well-known member
Ive been putting a time, money, and effort saving plan together,
its 4 wks vegging under t5s @12-12 hrs. (Re pot 28 dys)
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To date 4 wks of led, started dimmed and gradually increased over 2/3 weeks.
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I'm pretty pleased with how it's coming together.
 

TrifektaSeeds

Active member
Something is wrong with the metabolism of the plant in the 2nd picture..
Too much N I think.

I don't get the point of saving if your not a big commercial op... If it's just a hobby why not give everything that you can ?
Why buy such a beast of a light system if you dimm it and not use it's advantages (which is make more light = more good)

Every test I see says growth is linear with the more light you add, even up to 2000+ ppfd without any enrichments, so what gives ?
If I'm able to keep temps rather cool and move my lights closer to the plants I see a raise in growth speed so reality supports this aswell.

Sure if you add co2 it will be even more faster, but you still see linear increase all the way up there.

Call me delusional but I'm missing the logic behind leds and agriculture really,
The lavander growing experiment was an eye opener to say the least.

The pictures both CannaT uploaded and unclefishstick look so different, CannaT buds are glistening, and the white truffle don't, maybe it's flash or just bad picture, but still look different.
 

Brother Nature

Well-known member
Those buds look good coconut.

Leds are like any other grow tech, works for some doesn’t work for others. Clearly people get great results with them and clearly people get great results with hps. If you don’t grow well with one then go with the other no one’s forcing you to purchase a type of light.


If you don’t like growing with leds then why visit a led and bud quality thread? It’s a shame that ego and butt hurtism seem to drown out logical and professional experience these days. I guess if you shout the loudest you get listened to, but it doesn’t mean you’re right.

It’s also interesting how the vast majority of those saying led buds aren’t shit have nothing close to the quality of photos that the led growers in this thread have put up, if any at all.

I had issues when I first moved to them but that’s because I was stuck thinking about the grow through an hps lens, once I got through that and listened to my plants, quality and quantity improved vastly. Yeah they’re a bit different and take adaptation, but that’s evolution and how species survive.
 
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