LED and BUD QUALITY

[phunkeeboodah]

so i'm guessing NOT 20% RH or below lol

 

[Hammerhead]

It's winter here. Today it's 84% RH. Temp 58f. This is outside.

 

[phunkeeboodah]

nice

 

[morgellons]

Thats my experience with led, just autos this run but not from the next. Under Lumatek attis 300w in a 1x1 with 7 of them, lot of problems about T during winter time but extremely different (better for me) about taste and flavors, and resin production.








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I think i will reach 2.1 gr/w with lots of problems about roots (low T ) and watering problems with soil.
Have a nice garden y'all

 

[CocoNut 420]

I still can't upload pics, how do i contact admin?

Thanks

 

[johnnyla]

I get your point, but think that HPS are mostly the same for us who have been using HID systems for 25+ years, not for a new grower.

Try a thought experiment and imagine the opposite point of view:
Bob is a Gen Z young grower who started growing with bridgelux LEDs during the 2020 pandemic.
If after 3 years of LEDs I tell him to switch to an HID system it will probably kill his plants.
The simple difference between different HID lamps is a new world for Bob. But even limiting to HPS, he would have many doubts about the different ballasts and the types of bulbs (240v, 400v, DE), their spectrum (2000K, 3500K, Agro “mixed spectrum”) and the PPF/lumen/lux ratio... and not to mention the problems of temperature, humidity and overfeeding that he will surely have, after getting used to the plant metabolism under LEDs.
From Bob's perspective, after 3 years of acceptable harvests under LEDs, all the problems he has are due to the HPS technology, and not the fact that he doesn't know how to use it properly.

My point is that, perhaps, some grower with decades of experience with HID systems has an ego-bias that prevents him from accepting that in 2024 a novice with 200$ LED can produce better flowers and with less effort than it cost him, in 1994, under HPS.

(I hope I've translated well, english is not my first language)

You are delusional if you think a novice can grow better weed with a led than a non novice with HPS. LED is harder to dial in.

 

[johnnyla]

I just grow for myself and the quality of the high is everything to me. I don't care about yield, taste, or anything else, just the high.

I switched to LED about 5 years ago and if anything I thought the quality improved. Last year I had an outdoor clone of an indoor plant and there was little difference in the high.

The only way to tell is grow clones under the same conditions using both LED and HPS. Has anyone done this? I have, because when I switched over I was growing clones, and I thought those under LED were marginally better. Of course then it may depend on the LED as there's a huge array available. It may also depend on the variety you grow too. So many variables.

What led did u use?

 

[johnnyla]

I couldn't be happier with the quality I'm getting using both types of lighting. I saved a ton on electrical use by swapping out 4 hid lights for 3 LED lights. If I had 100% Automated environmental controls I'd be a happy grower. Like all things in life without the cash that aint gonna happen lol.

MANGO HAZE X C5 X MANGO HAZE) FLASHPOINT.

What led light do u like?

 

[PetePrice]

mutation is not necessarily evolution, it must survive and be stabilized in a certain level of the population, that is the time when you can call it evolution.

Without mutations there is no evolution.

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

really? it is called selective breeding, and these days genetic engineering-- gmos

 

[PetePrice]

really? it is called selective breeding

hahaha, not at all. That's fixation.

Consider this-

"Mutations are essential to evolution. Every genetic feature in every organism was, initially, the result of a mutation."

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

you are twisting this and playing with the words.
i gave you 2 examples of possible evolutionary steps made by humans, and you are talking about natural process

 

[PetePrice]

See you laugh away yet it seems you don't understand the difference.
You need genetic variation to have any change, without it you have no change and therefore no evolution, and ALL genetic variation is generated via mutation.

No one is twisting anything, well someone should do your nipples....

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

Evolution | Definition, History, Types, & Examples

Evolution, theory in biology postulating that the various types of living things on Earth have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations. The theory of evolution is one of the fundamental keystones of...

www.britannica.com

Mutation | Definition, Causes, Types, & Facts

Mutation, an alteration in the genetic material (the genome) of a cell of a living organism or of a virus that is more or less permanent and that can be transmitted to the cell’s or the virus’s descendants. The genomes of organisms are all composed of DNA, whereas viral genomes can be of DNA or RNA.

www.britannica.com

have fun

 

[PetePrice]

and from the mutation link -

In general, mutation is the main source of genetic variation, which is the raw material for evolution by natural selection.

Artificial selection/Selective breeding is nothing to do with evolution it does not effect it.

now here is your statement -

"mutation is not necessarily evolution, it must survive and be stabilized in a certain level of the population, that is the time when you can call it evolution."

what you're describing are two different things and to be clear without mutation there is no evolution!! the 4 mechs for evolution are -

1. Natural selection
2. Mutation
3. Genetic drift
4. Gene flow

Note that artificial selection/selective breeding is not there.

So when you say things like "you are talking about natural process" well yes as that applies to evolution.

Now if we did artificial selection/selective breeding on a macro scale and not micro we could discuss that if this was worldwide that it is an evolution but doing it in small cannabis population does not make it so.

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

yes we should narrow it, it is not that simple as we discuss it.

-tool usage is evolutionary step without mutation f.e.
-using colchicine to cause mtation

and quote me where did i say "mutation can"t be evolutionary change"
i said NOT all ends up as evolution because it is a dead-end for some reason.

 

[TrifektaSeeds]

We should open a different thread for evolution talks, this subject is interesting although old news and has been debunked so much times.

 

[Ca++]

Must get a wtf 'Like' emoticon

 

[Prawn Connery]

Without mutations there is no evolution.

Exactly.

 

[Prawn Connery]

yes we should narrow it, it is not that simple as we discuss it.

-tool usage is evolutionary step without mutation f.e.
-using colchicine to cause mtation

and quote me where did i say "mutation can"t be evolutionary change"
i said NOT all ends up as evolution because it is a dead-end for some reason.

For the people who can understand

Environment determines which genes are successful and which aren't.