ilovebetty
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as a growing rookie this thread has allowed me to relax big time. thanks!
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Lazy Growing
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Mr GreenJeans said:Hiya GMT
Nice experiment!My amnesia99s were germed, veged and flowered under 12/12. Don't remember how many weeks it was before I took cuts, but they were definitely alternating nodes and pumping out female flowers. I was able to root them and flower them out without problem, my 2nd am99 grow was from those cuts, and my current mothers also.
I think there must be some strain variability in how well the cuts take this way, will be interesting to see your girls root out...
Always interesting developments in the Lazy Growing thread!
I always take my cuts in flower as I haven't got the room for mothers. I've also taken cuts from a plant that had allready been hung to dry, and they still rootet fine
Thanks PM, good to have you aboard still.
Hi MGJ, thanks, I was getting bored and tried to think of what I could do that would be a little diff. To date I think the only experiment I tried without any success was the grafting one, oh and trying to get them to hermie, but no way to prove that here. Yeah, I reccon you are right about cloneing being strain dependent to some degree, I have had plants that refused to clone altogether, and others that do it like a dream, but for the vast majority of cases, they'll follow the standard form I would think. The biggest prob is the time it takes to revert to vegging. I'm sure something so satty as your amnesias must have taken a while to revert.
Lol Garlic, thanks man, and yes perfect sense. You are right, it takes ages to revert, which is normally a pain, but if earlier cuts failed, or you just decided to keep one around, or the extra time it takes helps to fit it into a handy growing window you have, then as you say, it can be done. Yep, I'm all about the basics, I enjoy it, I dont work at it.
Hi DP, a perfect situation to do it in. Good luck.
Ilovebetty/ronnie, welcome to the thread, and the site. As a growing rookie, this thread is for you. Relax, its not hard, just a little tricky at times, normally those times after you have done too much to "help" them grow better. Anything you need to know, most here can tell ya, just ask, other wise enjoy, we have a great crowd here.
Alex, lmfao, man you take the crown for the latest cuts taken. Cuttings taken from hung buds, I love that. I have revegged the stump before now, but never cut, thrown, and then decided, oh actually I'd like that again lol. Yep, can't possibly take em later than that. So that's it folks, no limit to how late you can take cuts.
Hi MGJ, thanks, I was getting bored and tried to think of what I could do that would be a little diff. To date I think the only experiment I tried without any success was the grafting one, oh and trying to get them to hermie, but no way to prove that here. Yeah, I reccon you are right about cloneing being strain dependent to some degree, I have had plants that refused to clone altogether, and others that do it like a dream, but for the vast majority of cases, they'll follow the standard form I would think. The biggest prob is the time it takes to revert to vegging. I'm sure something so satty as your amnesias must have taken a while to revert.
Lol Garlic, thanks man, and yes perfect sense. You are right, it takes ages to revert, which is normally a pain, but if earlier cuts failed, or you just decided to keep one around, or the extra time it takes helps to fit it into a handy growing window you have, then as you say, it can be done. Yep, I'm all about the basics, I enjoy it, I dont work at it.
Hi DP, a perfect situation to do it in. Good luck.
Ilovebetty/ronnie, welcome to the thread, and the site. As a growing rookie, this thread is for you. Relax, its not hard, just a little tricky at times, normally those times after you have done too much to "help" them grow better. Anything you need to know, most here can tell ya, just ask, other wise enjoy, we have a great crowd here.
Alex, lmfao, man you take the crown for the latest cuts taken. Cuttings taken from hung buds, I love that. I have revegged the stump before now, but never cut, thrown, and then decided, oh actually I'd like that again lol. Yep, can't possibly take em later than that. So that's it folks, no limit to how late you can take cuts.
I've often taken cuts in flower, all ya need is a nice burst of 24 hours light (5 days) and although it will take time and may look mutated the cut will root and show new growth.
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DurbanPoison
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tcb - Explain a bit more if you don't mind on this 5 day 24 hours on? I'm wondering if it may be something I would want to switch to. I took two cuts from plants @ 5wks flower and i've had them on 18/6 cycle since day 1 I planted them.
Alex - You take the cake. I tip my hat to you. I gotta say - clones from plants already hung to dry.. amazing. I always thought that I WAS the procrastinator. LOL Thanks for helping prove the theory though. Good to know I have a fighting chance @ 5 wks.
GMT - I hope your not planning on stopping now. We need picture proof so we can show how alex is right. Hopefully your strain is more on the 'taking' end. I'm not sure what happened to some of my cuts, but I rooted them for about a week and a half in 24 hour light and planted the bushiest rooted plants and they're stuck in a stasis. They appear to look alive, but not showing any growth. One of the males decided it was time to flower and the balls are purple. I'll post a pic if need be. It's pretty goofy looking. Any ideas?
Alex - You take the cake. I tip my hat to you. I gotta say - clones from plants already hung to dry.. amazing. I always thought that I WAS the procrastinator. LOL Thanks for helping prove the theory though. Good to know I have a fighting chance @ 5 wks.
GMT - I hope your not planning on stopping now. We need picture proof so we can show how alex is right. Hopefully your strain is more on the 'taking' end. I'm not sure what happened to some of my cuts, but I rooted them for about a week and a half in 24 hour light and planted the bushiest rooted plants and they're stuck in a stasis. They appear to look alive, but not showing any growth. One of the males decided it was time to flower and the balls are purple. I'll post a pic if need be. It's pretty goofy looking. Any ideas?
Hi True, mine take a bit longer than 5 days, but that suits my cycle anyway.
DP, True is right, 24 hours of light is best for cuts. Aweek and a half maynot have been sufficient for the roots to develop enough. Or they could just be deciding what lighting schedule they are on. Were they taken during veg or flower?
DP, True is right, 24 hours of light is best for cuts. Aweek and a half maynot have been sufficient for the roots to develop enough. Or they could just be deciding what lighting schedule they are on. Were they taken during veg or flower?
DurbanPoison
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The cuts were taken during veg strangely. The mothers of the plants are the ones I put to flower 5 weeks ago. So these cuts are at least 5 weeks old and they're stuck. I pulled two and tossed them and they had a pretty decent root ball which I thought there wouldnt be. I have them on 18/6 now though and they're on pause still, but they're still drinking water.
DurbanPoison
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Like go back to 24 hours on instead of 18/6?
I've been so busy and lazy I haven't got a chance to poke around in here yet..for me re-veg is for when you really have a fondness for that plant..
so you bring it back for another go..other than that...lots of time, space and energy go into the re-veg revert phase..
On the positive side you know pretty much what you're gonna get..
From my little shop of horrors...I found veg cuts seem to take much quicker than even 1 week flower cuts...
I always use weak light like 20W fluoros until they root usually 24/0 or 20/4(still collecting data on which I prefer)..
then they go under the 175W MH for veg..which runs 18/6..
The most important thing I ever learned about clones is don't try to make them grow till they have suitable roots to do so..
They are on life support after the cut...don't try to make um run a marathon right after they just had their legs cut off..
I'm not telling you any of this GMT, just thought I'd throw my 2 cents at someone that might be collecting 2 cents worth of info at a time..
More when the clock slows down..
so you bring it back for another go..other than that...lots of time, space and energy go into the re-veg revert phase..
On the positive side you know pretty much what you're gonna get..
From my little shop of horrors...I found veg cuts seem to take much quicker than even 1 week flower cuts...
I always use weak light like 20W fluoros until they root usually 24/0 or 20/4(still collecting data on which I prefer)..
then they go under the 175W MH for veg..which runs 18/6..
The most important thing I ever learned about clones is don't try to make them grow till they have suitable roots to do so..
They are on life support after the cut...don't try to make um run a marathon right after they just had their legs cut off..
I'm not telling you any of this GMT, just thought I'd throw my 2 cents at someone that might be collecting 2 cents worth of info at a time..
More when the clock slows down..
DP, if you are still vegging those cuts, then personally I'd have em in 24-0, but thats because I'm too lazy to turn em off for 4 hours each day.
Hiya Pack, welcome to the lazy zone. All sound info you posted there, good deal for 2 cents. I'm just playing around at the moment, I love girls you can play with.
Hiya Pack, welcome to the lazy zone. All sound info you posted there, good deal for 2 cents. I'm just playing around at the moment, I love girls you can play with.
DurbanPoison
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LOL GMT. Man you're too funny. I saw a post you made on that drying/curing thread and they completely didn't understand what you meant about the 3 days. I thought it was pretty simple but somehow they got apples when you said oranges you know? I guess it was in a deeper level of thought they weren't capable of.
As for my cuts, one out of 5 seams like it might be coming around. It seemed like the 24/7 lighting that I started rooting them in for the first week and a half to 2 weeks was too much and then I went to 18 and they got confused and thought I was flower I guess.
I had a theory too. If you veg a plant in 18/6 from day one and take cuts from it and put them under 24 light for a while and then revert back to 18/6, they may assume that it's flower time. Vs. If you veg a plant in 24 and take cuts in 24 light, the success rate would be higher. I was thinking that the plant has the ability to remember or interpret in some way that the light it started with was vegetation and the lesser light is obviously flower.
I read a test done by a guy once on OG who said kind of the same thing. He always veg under 24 and got the plants to flower at 14. Maybe mj can remember how much light or perhaps its based on the strain. All I know is that one of my plants that mother was veg 18 and the cut was veg 24 ended up flowering when I changed back to 18. That is a 6 hour light loss just like 18/6 would be to 12/12. Seems logical to me, but I don't know.
As for my cuts, one out of 5 seams like it might be coming around. It seemed like the 24/7 lighting that I started rooting them in for the first week and a half to 2 weeks was too much and then I went to 18 and they got confused and thought I was flower I guess.
I had a theory too. If you veg a plant in 18/6 from day one and take cuts from it and put them under 24 light for a while and then revert back to 18/6, they may assume that it's flower time. Vs. If you veg a plant in 24 and take cuts in 24 light, the success rate would be higher. I was thinking that the plant has the ability to remember or interpret in some way that the light it started with was vegetation and the lesser light is obviously flower.
I read a test done by a guy once on OG who said kind of the same thing. He always veg under 24 and got the plants to flower at 14. Maybe mj can remember how much light or perhaps its based on the strain. All I know is that one of my plants that mother was veg 18 and the cut was veg 24 ended up flowering when I changed back to 18. That is a 6 hour light loss just like 18/6 would be to 12/12. Seems logical to me, but I don't know.
DurbanPoison
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Weird male.. flowered in 18/6
Weird male.. flowered in 18/6
Check out these pics of my funky purple balls male. He was originally vegged in 18/6, then I took the cut while in that light and put it in 24 hours. Then after about 2 weeks I put back on 18/6 and then these little balls appeared. I wanted to keep him as a father because the father was a beast - super healthy crazy genetics and leaning towards the durban instead of skunk side which is a preference of mine..
This is GF's setup for the moment.
Weird male.. flowered in 18/6
Check out these pics of my funky purple balls male. He was originally vegged in 18/6, then I took the cut while in that light and put it in 24 hours. Then after about 2 weeks I put back on 18/6 and then these little balls appeared. I wanted to keep him as a father because the father was a beast - super healthy crazy genetics and leaning towards the durban instead of skunk side which is a preference of mine..
This is GF's setup for the moment.
apples and oranges , yeah nothing new there DP.
Thats an interesting point on the memory of plants. Yes I believe in it, to a point, and you could be right about vegging cuts at the same lighting schedule as the mother was, as I said unless I am veging seeds, where I always give them a sleep, for cuttings I just use 24.
hehe, like the classic scaling pic. very interesting shot that one. smallest I think I have seen one flower.
GF's set up looks like it has everything it needs, how is the airflow, I cant see any fans, so looks like it has nearly everything it needs lol. I'm sure they are either out of shot or camoflaged or something.
Thats an interesting point on the memory of plants. Yes I believe in it, to a point, and you could be right about vegging cuts at the same lighting schedule as the mother was, as I said unless I am veging seeds, where I always give them a sleep, for cuttings I just use 24.
hehe, like the classic scaling pic. very interesting shot that one. smallest I think I have seen one flower.
GF's set up looks like it has everything it needs, how is the airflow, I cant see any fans, so looks like it has nearly everything it needs lol. I'm sure they are either out of shot or camoflaged or something.
DurbanPoison
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Lol. Yeah there's 3 PC fans blowing air in from the bottom which forces the hot air out the top. Kind of worked that way accidentally because this old cab used to have a shelf and the veg was on bottom and the flower would be on top but we pulled out the shelf and now we have plenty of space for height. That stupid male shouldn't have flowered. I figured thats what was going to happen though because all the cuttings had lots of roots and they were all drinking water, but not growing anymore salad so thats kind of what i used to support my little light memory theory.
Question: About your cuts - from clone you put into 24 light. Do you leave @ 24 light until flower or do you ever reduce to 20 or 18? I was thinking that I may have screwed myself by switching from 24 to 18 which is a 6 hour difference just as 18 to 12. I probably really fucked with their little plant minds. I think I already said this. Sorry. It's early. Back to sleep.
Question: About your cuts - from clone you put into 24 light. Do you leave @ 24 light until flower or do you ever reduce to 20 or 18? I was thinking that I may have screwed myself by switching from 24 to 18 which is a 6 hour difference just as 18 to 12. I probably really fucked with their little plant minds. I think I already said this. Sorry. It's early. Back to sleep.
Cuts I leave on 24hr light. Flowers get between 8 hours of light and up to around 14 hours of light. Depending on what time I get up and when I get pissed off with them being on. Seeds get some where between the flower girls light and the cuts light depending on which chamber they are in that day. With seeds I swap them around and give them all a few days in with the big girls and a few in with the little girls and boys. Though I do like to give seeds some nap time at night. Seeds seem to do better with a sleep each night, where as cuts can get confused. Hope that clears up my lighting times
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ha this rules.like many I'm over loving my plants, and I found out by my own experience that most of the products sold in grow shops are gadgets.Gels stress the hell out of plants for instance.growing never was as easy and successfull as when I had only the very basic tools/nutrients.All that grow equipment thing is one big business
Thanks Lurker, yeah you can spend a fortune in a grow shop, and still end up with shitty plants. Money spent means nothing to plants, they dont come up and think "oh this is a plush gorwroom, I'll spread out a bit."
For anyone interested in watching LST done, I'm not going to be doing it. As I've said before I prefer the topping method, but POMH is doing a thread on it if anyone is interested pop over to that thread. Here's the link http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=39473&page=1&pp=5
Should be a nice show, POMH does some clear photos.
For anyone interested in watching LST done, I'm not going to be doing it. As I've said before I prefer the topping method, but POMH is doing a thread on it if anyone is interested pop over to that thread. Here's the link http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=39473&page=1&pp=5
Should be a nice show, POMH does some clear photos.
