KBS, KFB or Freedom Bucket questions...

[CarharttKidd]

Wow. Now I need to learn more about air conditioning instillation. Any reccomended books or links to teach myself more? Is there a ductless split type air conditioner that can handle that kind of load? Dennis Leary was right. Pot smoking does lead to carpentry. It seems like krusty used the type of system that most people have to cool their houses in alot of his set ups. Would this be the best option? The logistics of this are getting complicated and I know I have barely grazed the surface, but I am still determined.

 

[gregor_mendel]

Honestly, what you are going to need to install this is outside my area of knowledge. Ask an HVAC guy to recommend a book.

You are right, Krusty did use whole house systems.

I did some research before my last post, hoping to give you a link to a ductless mini split, and the largest I could find was about 36,000 BTUs.
There may be a 40-55kBTU ductless split out there, but I didn't find it.

You are probably shopping for a 5 ton unit. Krusty recommended Carrier. (He was a general contractor, I believe)

GM

 

[gregor_mendel]

Go back to page 3 of this thread. NPK has several of Krusty's pics.

In the multicolored plan, the blue is AC. It shows a duct running down the middle of the room with 4 outlets. It is a 10kW, 2x5 plant setup. It says 3-4 tons for the 10kW room.

GM

 

[CarharttKidd]

Someone please help with HVAC This is confusing. It looks to me like there is an exhaust fan sucking air out of the room through an inline 03 generator on to the A/C, which I think is technically called a heat pump. I looked around the neighborhood at the whole house A/C units and I was perplexed as to how one would rig this up. I saw 1 line that I assumed was for elimination of condensation (about 1/2" copper) and I don't know what the other wider insulated line is. If I could just figure out how to hook up the A/C to the duct, I would be cool. I assume that the thing to do is to have the A/C in it's own room that is vented to the outside with another fan? The other thing that made me scratch my head was that the A/C's I saw were FUSED not on breakers.

 

[CarharttKidd]

Another question, how do you guys feel about the O.G. Kush? Haven't seen any yays or nays. I have always enjoyed the strain in the past, but I was wondering what kinda luck folks have had with the KFB system with this strain.

 

[BruceLeeroy]

i thought the a/c ducting was seperate from the exhaust ducting w/ 03. dammit now i'm confused lol.

 

[CarharttKidd]

Bruce- by the pic on pg3 it sure doesnt look seperate.

 

[BruceLeeroy]

to be honest...

to be honest...

i'm not totally sure, i just always assumed the two were seperate systems. i guess you could use an electic damper or something to keep the exhaust flowing seperately from the a/c in the same ducting. i would think o3 would play some nasty games with an A/C. the layout with the ducting for the a/c done in blue doesnt really say anything about exhausting, and on the pic that shows the shaded pole blower or squirrel cage fan or whatever you want to call it i assumed the a/c ducting was on the other side of it. like i said, i'm as confused now as you are lol. guess we'll have to wait for one of those "in the know"

peace

 

[CarharttKidd]

True this I know O3 will corode the hell out of anything reactive it touches.

 

[gregor_mendel]

I am looking at the pictures on posts #42 and #43. I see a photo of an exhuast fan and ducting in post #42. In post #43, I see a of a diagram showing a bird's eye view a grow room. The blue is AC duct. I don't see the 03 sharing the AC duct anywhere. Do you have a picture I don't, or are we interpreting something differently?

For what its worth, Krusty preferred O3 to carbon, and ran 20 to 30 feet of hose after the O3 generator. What he claimed to be shooting for was to just barely be able to smell ozone at the other end of the hose, whatever length that turned out to be.

I never recall him saying anything about sharing duct with the AC, nor have I understood a picture that way.

He also recommended the generator be several feet past the exhaust fan, although it looks to my in post #42 that the fan feeds the generator directly.

GM

 

[BlueHaze]

stay away from o3. Carbon filter is the ticket. Exhuast from your carbon filter put it at the middle of room. Where the hottest spot is to exhuast the hot air out. If o3 sneaks back into your grow room your bud will be odor less. With the carbon filter you should get the neg pressure in the room so no smell sneaks out. You direct where you want it to go.

Kush
Depending which one you have. I seen one guy make it produce in the k buckets. Other wise great smoke low yield. Krusty always preach about a good 60/40 strain or a 50/50 sativa/indica. Long colas is what you want. But if that what you have work with and report back to us. If i strain don't give me 2lb or better per tree i don't want it.

 

[gregor_mendel]

Never thought about O3 backup. Guess that's why Krusty said to have the generator away from the fan - he wanted it out of the room.

I used the carbon the same way you do, BlueHaze.

GM

 

[CarharttKidd]

Still very unclear as to the A/C setup.

I can get alot of different clones around here, but I got all the time in the world, so I might stock pile some seeds to start out and choose a mother plant from. I love the taste of the O.G. Kush. It is the smellyest strain I have ever seen and the clubs around here shit purple pickles for that stuff. I have seen numerous dry'd and cure'd samples stick to walls, foreheads, etc. Kush is the easiest to get rid of and bring the most $/lb in my humble expierence. I guess I need to find out which ones do best in this system and get to chasing down seeds. Thanks for the tip on avoiding O3. I have had good luck with it in the past, but I have never used carbon. Buds that dont stink are def. harder to get rid of.

 

[BlueHaze]

Get your self a 5 ton ac and you can run up to 12 lights with no problem. Keep it on fan so there is air always circulating and set it up with a 2 degree deferential.

 

[CarharttKidd]

I guess I need to find someone to teach me more about HVAC. Seeing how as this project is still a ways away, I will settle with a shopping list for the time being. Hopefully, when it comes time to set up, I can get some more detailed instructions from you guys on installation.

Bluehaze- the bud to leaf ratio on the spears in your pics looks outstanding. Those don't look like they would be near as big of a pain in the ass to trim as anything I have grown.

 

[Jalisco Kid]

It is good to see some kbs members slumming around here. How you 2 doing? I see SYK trolling around for new blood. I think we beat a horse to death there.As you guys know I just could hang there any longer,wish I was able to delete my post but once Ahab stopped my editing I had to show him a major flaw in his security Now I am banned from Eden sitting here eating my apple and marveling at necked women something N can relate to.

I just finished some Bubba and OG cross in a 60/40 chow mix,it came out well. If you like the Kush then you would be happy. We are now growing some in Lava and it looks promising. Once you get the system dialed in it grows well. Just finished some Newberry, Timewarp, and some Royal Hawaiian in a lava grow. All were grown for the first time and all pasted the 2lb mark. And was grown by people with only 3 cycles under their belt with a little help.

The system is not exotic, does not need a web site dedicated to buckets. You just need to know about herb and have at least $1500 per plant set aside for construction.3x's more aereation then you would guess,68-70' nutes,75-80' air temps, and 70%rh. If you can maintain that you can start looking for that elusive 2 kg plant. JK

If you use ozone use a sail sw so that is your airflow cuts out it will shut off your generator. If you have problems tieing your shoe buy a carbon scrubber.Ozone takes no prisoners. They both work well just one is 4x's cheaper.If you are using a sealed room I would go with a scrubbers. Much safer if you have yet to do a room. They are easy to make if they are too expensive for you.

Grow well...

 

[Jalisco Kid]

Just read some back posts if you hav not yet bought a high compession compressor don't. To damn noisy and not enough air. Check out regen blowers you need one that is about 5cfm per bucket. I have used pourous pvc pipe but at $10/ft it is pricey.If your time is free I would buy some pvc and some fine drill bits, smaller than 1/16th if you can.JK

grow well...

 

[CarharttKidd]

Jalisco- how many feet of that pourous PVC pipe per bucket?

How many inches max duty is 5 cfm?

That Kush cross sounds bomb.

 

[Guest]

Jalisco......I`m not sure I remember you from kbs,were you usin different nick?Anyways,I got banned right after Krusty so maybe we never crossed paths......I asked SYK to share some of that coveted knowledge here and I guess He turned his nose up as usual.....No biggie.........Great to have another buckethead drop in.........You talked about needin 3 x`s more aeration than I could imagine ,and mt thomas pump was loud and only 25cfm@30psi but it bubbled 4 buckets pretty damn good.........You also said 5cfm per bucket .......would 25cfm be divided by the 4 buckets givin 6.25 cfm per bucket?............Anyways ,you know as well as I do that there``s a lotta bells and whistles with the system so stick around and help some of these folks...after all ......we aint welcome with the chosen ones no more..........LMAO...............

 

[Bonzo]

Man, I want to be a "buckethead" FRED! Gonna update my thread later today.

have a bitchen day

bonz