KBS, KFB or Freedom Bucket questions...

[CarharttKidd]

The deal with the tarp is I was broker than shit and that was the only way I could come up with to keep the rain offa my babys. That shit was pretty much held together with chewing gum and paperclips. I was so broke it wasn't even funny. Catholic church meal and food stamp status. After I got it all cleared out and I wasn't around to push the water off the tarp with a stick, it rained pretty good and pulled down the neighbor's fence. Oops.

Next go around has gotta go alot smoother or I'll die of a fuckin heart attack way too soon. Thanks for the compliment dedhedfred. I just hope you or ICmag ain't goin anywhere for a long time cuz Im gonna need somebody with some serious know how around to e able to pick their brain so I can get this dream into reality.

 

[Guest]

wuttup DHF, ltns

 

[plantbuilder]

http://cgi.ebay.com/LAVA-ROCK_W0QQitemZ7755536279QQ

standard hps ignitor on a 1k will go about 32 ft should be on 12 gauge.
standard 600 ignitor will fire about 18' have built w/upgraded ignitor to 45' using 14 gauge lamp cords.

pyrosol is pyrophyllitic clay, not quite the same as potassium silicate but similar, cept all them trace elements

i would go with dhf's 10x10 lighting scheme

the cool tubes seem to complicate things and will reduce your yield per watt etc

peace.
plantbuilder

 

[gregor_mendel]

CarharttKidd:

If you have 20'x20', you can have a 15'x20' with a 5'x20' hall. No problem getting 12 plants in there in a 3x4 configuration. No problem getting all your crap, including mothers and clones, if necessarry, in the hallway.

GM

 

[Guest]

standard hps ignitor on a 1k will go about 32 ft should be on 12 gauge.
standard 600 ignitor will fire about 18' have built w/upgraded ignitor to 45' using 14 gauge lamp cords.

hi PB. i've seen many of your posts on cw... how ya been?
i've got 400w and 1kw lamps runnin on over 25' cords right now.
a seperate option is to move the ignitor from the ballast to within a foot of the lamp or at least very close, as done by Mr. Barker. I bet you could get 100ft' with a 12awg line

 

[plantbuilder]

bonzo since i am the seller... the price is a dollar dude
i can't change the cost of shipping in this world only find the cheapest/best way
you will have to ask krusty how much the bags really cost and where i get them
fwiw it's worth i have undercut walmart etc. and every vendor on ebay @ 24.95

nitrous nice to see the old gang back together i'm fine thanks
i wouldn't really advise pushing any lamp cord past 50'

peace
plantbuilder

 

[plantbuilder]

there is no way i am jacking this thread for the finer points of ebay
it just means someone might get it for a dollar
if postage of a 40lb box can be found cheaper than $38.25 i am all for it.

i guess rc had the last of the hp#38 :x
am familiar with the bcbb bchp and h3(fvhp) the hp#38 sounds like a nice knock, any idea what the 'californian' indica was, any idea if these are available?

peace
plantbuilder

 

[BlueHaze]

Here is a pic of the hp#38

 

[BruceLeeroy]

so at home depot and wally world, big bags of large 1-2 inch red lava rock goes for 3.50$.... will this stuff work? i assume it needs to be washed thoroughly?

 

[BruceLeeroy]

btw fantastic nugs bluehaze!! where can i get me some of those genetics? lol

 

[gregor_mendel]

I bought that lava rock at wal mart. To get the right size I screened it through chicken wire. Whatever doesn't fall through is big enough. Maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of a bag is usable.

If you have a rock and stone supplier in your area, you can probably hand shovel a truckbed full for $20 to $30, and almost everything is usable.

GM

 

[CarharttKidd]

Whoa shit nitrous in my veins. You got some skills dude. I was readin your threads over on OverGrow tryin to figure out how to piece one of these systems together and stashing away gear.

Why do portable A/C's suck asside from the space they take up? They're cheap and I already have a 9k btu one. Maybe I'll use that for the clone and mother area and save up for a big ass split duct Why would cool tubes hurt my yield? Wouldn't a more even keeled environment help? Wouldn't being able to get the plants closer to the bulb help? I know this is still really early in the planning stages, but I really appreciate your help.

Nitrous- that ghetto chiller I saw pics of you usin'- how big of an A/C was that and how many buckets were you runnin? Do summers get hot in your neck of the woods? The geographic location Im contemplating would have very hot summers, and be on ground level, so I'm wondering if a res chiller will be a must.

Nitrous BTW big ups on getting props from krusty on the ABS drain and ghetto chiller. Most people got ripped a new one for changing his system

 

[BruceLeeroy]

do the portable a/c's exchange the air outside?

 

[BlueHaze]

Reeferman had them. rm#38. I think he is out of them.

 

[Guest]

bluehaze, imagine HP X neville's haze... !
carhartt... whats up man... supposedly cool tubes absorb a bit of the light, but, you could get the plants closer, but does that effect light coverage to other parts?
with a portable a/c, the heat is removed from the room and placed where? i think thats the complaint... it heats up whatever room its in... or somethin like that. if you can vent the excess heat then i see no problem, but i've never been around one.
chiller: that was a small 5kbtu one... thats a little more than a 1/4hp chiller. i would compare it to a 10,000btu standard chiller though, the way it cooled the water was much more direct and efficient than store-bought chillers and their heat exchangers, imo. it did have a reaction with the nutes though so it has its disadvantages. enough so i bought a normal one for dependability
my summers are killer... the main area, outside the growroom where the chiller and res was, got to 100+ often. that chiller removed all that heat from the water and was only on 50% of the time at most... a chiller is a must.

Nitrous BTW big ups on getting props from krusty on the ABS drain and ghetto chiller. Most people got ripped a new one for changing his system

trust me, like the others say, simple is better. i've learned the hard way.

 

[Guest]

NITROUS.................How the hell have yas been..........Folks heres a major-leaguer............Between Nitrous and Blue haze ,theres no question that cant be answered on this system.......btw...You showin off huh BH......Thanx for the great pix dewd......gives a REAL good idea of how the right strain can fill the room up with kbs......... ..Ive BEEN droolin over RM`s hp no.38 since I saw your 3.25 lb. tree BH and hell yeah RM`s out of it...............Got it replaced with some kinda lebanese hashplant,that He says is the forerunner and original genetics of no.38(could we be so lucky?)..................Bruce....dont worry bout them rocks son...fill up the buckets and get to growin...........lmao.....................Looks like some knowledge might come outta this thread yet.............Nitrous....BH.........thanks again dewds....PEACE......DHF................

 

[BlueHaze]

Nitrious some hpxneville haze will do us justice.
I'll stick around and try to help others with the system. Its a very easy system, we as human tend to complicate it. So get growing and shoot any question there is enough knowledge growers around that work this system.

 

[somoz]

howdy y'all......it's so nice to see this thread taking shape and i'm glad the right folks are stepping in....so with that in mind i was wonderin whether any of you guys do a foliar feeding...

from all the krusty threads that i've read i cannot recall his stance on foliar feeding and was wondering if any of do it....the couple of kbs runs i've been along for never did it but wanted to know what you others thought...thanks

somoz

 

[CarharttKidd]

I remember reading about someone using chi to foliar feed in this system or a slight variation there of. I've got another question myself. I know you guys are all huge fans of GH 3 part, but the argument that many people use in favor of organics is improved potency and taste. Has there been experimentation using organic aditives or organic bloom later on in the grow? I don't want the clubs to have anything to bitch about. Their botique attitude makes my blood boil and I've been tempted to get violent a time or 2 as a result of all the stupid bullshit you have to go through dealing with these idiots.

There is alot of big talk about the great taste that Advance Nutrients provide, but it seems like a bunch of hype to me. The retail on alot of that shit is absolutely rediculus.

The portable I have has an exhaust duct that you can use to push the heat into the attic or somethin where it can be treated with o3 and sucked outside.

How do you guys feel about the O.G. Kush? Is it a good candidate for this system? There are a hell of alot fewer hassles issued by these cheese dicks at the clubs if you have the O.G. kush, and I have to admit the potency and the flavor are pretty damn good.

I see the argument against cool tubes now. I know this is basic, but how many watts do you think I could cram in a 20x15? What kinda BTU's should my A/C be pushin'? 1/4hp, 1/2hp or somethin else for a reservoir chiller for 12 buckets?

Nitrous, that reservoir dogs avitar is tight.

 

[gregor_mendel]

>>but how many watts do you think I could cram in a 20x15?

12k with 600's along the walls, 16k with 1000's.

>>What kinda BTU's should my A/C be pushin'?

41kBTUs for 12kW, 54kBTUs for 16kW.
41kBTUs=3.42 tons of ac, 54kBTUs=4.5 tons of ac

I think the largest portable you will find is about 20,000BTUs.

>>1/4hp, 1/2hp or somethin else for a reservoir chiller for 12 buckets?

Being that you are above the ground in a hot climate, no less than 1/2.
I arrive at that by dividing 16K (your upper limit) by 3.4k (what I ran with 1/10 hp). I multiply that number by .1, and get .47hp

GM