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Joe Biden Thread

Hempy McNoodle

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so... that matt walsh video is one giant appeal to hypocrisy fallacy. why should we care what news outlets have to say on the matter anyway?

it's simple - the burden of proof lies in the claimant's lap ...present evidence for the claim, or it holds no water.

big claims need big evidence, and this whopper of a claim (substantial nationwide voter fraud to completely steal a presidential election) has not met a mouse- squeak level of proof.

Prove that race was a motive in any of the high profile killings of black Americans by white police officers. I'll wait....
 

Absolem

Active member
Prove that race was a motive in any of the high profile killings of black Americans by white police officers. I'll wait....


The same murders don't happen to white people.

Second. Black people spend more time in prison then white people for the same crime.

You get some more info YouTube???? lol DEEP STATE FOREVER.
 

Absolem

Active member
Prove that race was a motive in any of the high profile killings of black Americans by white police officers. I'll wait....

https://www.npr.org/2016/07/14/4859...-hes-been-stopped-7-times-by-police-in-a-year

Scott revealed that he has been stopped seven times in the course of one year as an elected official. "Was I speeding sometimes? Sure. But the vast majority of the time I was pulled over for driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood or something else just as trivial."

Scott is one of two current African-American senators, and he's the only black Republican in the body.
 

Hempy McNoodle

Well-known member
Print news vs YouTube.

Print news can be read quickly. Any names or sources can easily by copied and pasted in a new window and checked within seconds. The source news can be compared to other articles on the related topic.

Getting your news from YouTube doesn't allow the individual to fact check as you listen. When people are driving down the road listening to YouTube they are not writing down names or sources and checking to see if it's authentic.

So what happens when getting your "news" from YouTube you forget what you disagree with or would like to fact check and only remember what you agree with.

YouTube "news" is for lazy people who can't fact check anything and just nod in agreement.

Kinda like when you claimed JFK Jr. had a tattoo. It's also why all the shitty YouTube video's on here for election fraud don't win in the courts.

Dude, are you typing this and driving? Watch the road!

As for me, I use a feature called the "pause button" which temporarily stops what I'm watching ( so that I can fact check in a new window) and restart at a time of my own choosing. Video has something that print does not have. It is called VIDEO and often times includes archival and historically significant video footage which cant be found in print. Such as this video (see example below) of Jack Ruby stating in a press conference that he was 'put in his position' by very powerful people with motives so big that this will not come to light.

Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2eucWXqjg
 

redlaser

Active member
Veteran
The story on common dreams.org is “ Leading Civil Rights Lawyer shows 20 ways Trump is copying Hitlers early Rhetoric”, by Burt Neuborn.
Trying to make this more readable, but that’s debatable.



Responding to Redlaser:

1: it’s not irrevelant, shows they both weren’t elected by a majority.

Answer: If it is legal (within the law), than it is not fascist

Reply: I don’t agree with that, but it’s just something they have in common. Not fascist in and of itself.

2: it’s a component of their fascism, is it not? Harder to communicate otherwise effectively.

Answer: No, it simply is not. You are comunicating directly to people right now. Does that mean that you are to be compared to Hitler. Censorship is fascism. Speaking is liberty. The opposite of fascism.

Reply: Direct communication isn’t fascist by itself. It’s a tool needed to be a successful large scale fascist however.

3: it’s not irrelevant, it’s accurate for Trump, just because you can demonize others makes it no less accurate for Trump.

Answer: Everyone demonizes Trump. So, by your logic, they are all fascists and Trump is just responding. True. I guess you are like Hitler for accusing Trump of being like Hitler, because demonizing people is somehow Hitler like. If that is the case, what do you call Hillary Clinton's 'Basket of Deplorables' remark?

Reply; Calling trump on his bs is not demonizing, it’s holding him accountable. Trump just makes shit up and runs with it, birther crap, spy gate. Trump still thinks the Central Park five are guilty after dna evidence cleared them. Do you think he is some 5 th level crime fighter on a mission ? He’s a racist piece of shit demonizing black males for being born black.

4: again, just because you hate others makes it no less accurate for Trump.

Answer: Who said I hate others? What are you talking about?

Reply: wasn’t saying you hated, saying just because others demonize doesn’t mean Trump isn’t doing it. Two things can be true at the same time

5: good example for attacking objective truth. A truth can be corroborated from others sources.

Answer: So can lies. Such as when the news corraborated uncorrabable sources and evidence accusing Trump of Treason with Russia. Objective Truth?

Reply: lies don’t get corroborated, they get spread. Trump campaign’s coordination with Russians throughout 2016 is treasonous to people that don’t support trump.

6: attacks on intellectuals and the arts is fascism 101, attacking science would be included in that.

Answer: So, like when Twitter censors doctors, scientists and others or when statues get torn down? Has Trump Censored anyone yet? Is criticism not part of science?

Reply: Twitter is a private company, can make own rules, like no shirt no service on stores. the statues are about what they represent, mostly slavery related. Not the artists themselves

7: again, not baseless, trump is an open hydrant of lies, that you and the maga’s regurgitate at length.

Answer: That is a lie right there and an attack on 'objective truth' and an attack on a marginalized population. You must be just like Hitler. But, I wont call for you to be banned. I want you to keep going. It is better for me, the more you go on.

Reply: marginalized population, lol, post election victim hood has taken effect. Trump is the king of bullshit if nothing else.

8:mass rallies are a commonality

Answer: Martin Luther King Jr held very large gatherings, or rallies, as you call them. It never occured to me how similar he was to Hitler. Thanks for pointing this out. I will avoid large gatherings such as concerts and other Hitler'esque events.

Reply; yes, Martin Luther King and others had large crowds, it’s a commonality they share with trump. In and if itself it is not fascist. In combination with many others, it likely is.

9: extreme nationalism examples would be banning travel from Muslim countries and portraying Mexicans as rapists and criminals. An American foreign policy built on disruption versus coalition building.

Answer: says a fascist globalist who wants a non-democratically elected global sovereign to overtake us and our national interests in order to impose a global monolithic agenda.

Reply: I’m not sure who the fascist globalist is in your example, but it sounds like word salad is on the menu.

10:again, closing borders they both had in common

Answer: Canada closed their southern Border. I guess we all know what that means... Thanks to Redlaser's insight into "fascism."

Reply: Canada closing their border by itself is not fascism. It’s something they have in common with other countries that close borders.

11: mass detention and deportation applies to both. Save your Hunter nonsense for another thread

Answer: Bossing me around feels kinda like being yelled at by Hitler.

Reply: I’ve got some German heritage so that may have come across harsh. The story of Hunter, the dope smoker, is captivating, just not to non maga people. You guys make a big deal about his dads connections while Ivanka and Jared currently work in the White House, definition of hypocrisy.

12: I don’t actually know how this one applies.

13: enriching elites could apply to others, obviously includes trump with the tax breaks and hiring corporate lobbyists for his cabinet

Answer: but, you've never heard of the SPV because your media is too busy protecting you from the liberty of freedom of speech.

Reply: it’s up to you to let people know then

14:rejected international norms through disruption versus building alliances. Weakens us so he can pretend to be tuff. If you read the guys reasoning about each point you wouldn’t have to ask me about it.

Answer: Erroneous

Reply: pretty sure you agree trump rejected international norms, what alliance has he built besides with Putin?

15:attempting to de legitimize elections, both before and after, of both 2016 and 2020 qualifies for attacking domestic democratic processes.

Answer: I believe it is about to be revealed that Trump won the popular vote in both elections (stay tuned).

Reply: put the pipe away for your own good on that one.

16: trump attacks unfavorable court rulings by attacking the judge personally, sometimes on racial lines, as an example.

Answer: It's called a legal defense (of our nation) and it was not an attack. How was Brett Kavenaugh treated, again?

Reply: it’s not a legal defense when you call a judge unqualified because he is Hispanic.

17:anyone telling truth, especially about trump gets fired, sounds like an oath of loyalty is required.

Answer: That's because the "truth" they were telling, was lies. Simple. Are You attacking objective truth? Fascist!

Reply: that’s circular logic . People got fired for repeating what was heard on phone calls, that could be corroborated through recordings. How were those lies?

18:trump has proclaimed he’s is the highest law officer in the land, could shoot someone and get away with it. Sounds like unchecked power to me.

Answer: Two separate statements not made together and taken out of context in a weaponized way (fascist like).

Reply: they work fine as examples individually if you prefer.

19:I knew you would be agreeing on attacking the media. Facts can corroborated, and if not go from there. Blaming the messenger for the content of a story is childish and a sign of an inability to do critical thinking to come to your own conclusions. Just because trump hasn’t jailed or killed them doesn’t mean he is not following a fascist playbook or ideology. You could remove 1-3 of these 20 points and still have a fascist. Not as all fascists are wildly successful, doesn’t mean they are not fascist.

Answer: No, once again that is all a bunch of fascist bull shit.

Reply; I will assume I hit the mark on that one, but would be open to hearing otherwise in more detail.

20: two people are not a lot in the whole scheme of things, have you seen how many Biden is hiring and Obama had? That would be closer to the 50%+ female it should be.

Answer: I only mentioned Two, out of many. That should have been obvious. And it is dissapointing that you did not research the answer.

Reply: 5 out of 24 cabinet members is better than nothing, but not a lot

Again, you need to read the reasoning for the listed 20 points to understand it. I’m not transcribing the entire thing.
And fascism doesn’t always include forced suppression, that is ahistorical . History has had a range of fascist movements.

Answer: I read it. It is 100% stupid Garbage (sorry if that upsets you, please don't compare me to Hitler about it). And No, None of that has anything to do with Fascism and fascism is basically limited to that definition (The forcible suppression of opposition).

Is maga fascist?
Answer: No. MAGA is Anti-Fascist.

Reply: maga has a lot of fascist characteristics, and together they lean hard towards fascism unless I’m missing something
 

Absolem

Active member
Dude, are you typing this and driving? Watch the road!

As for me, I use a feature called the "pause button" which temporarily stops what I'm watching ( so that I can fact check in a new window) and restart at a time of my own choosing. Video has something that print does not have. It is called VIDEO and often times includes archival and historically significant video footage which cant be found in print. Such as this video (see example below) of Jack Ruby stating in a press conference that he was 'put in his position' by very powerful people with motives so big that this will not come to light.

Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2eucWXqjg

I can read most articles in less then 5 minutes. Not fucking watching a 15min+ YouTube video pausing every time I want to check something. Makes no sense

All those graphs you see in your videos are there to make ya think they are laying down some solid info. Easier to con people when showing em a bunch of graphs for a few seconds then moving on. Info Wars has it down to a science.

DEEPSTATE FOREVER.
 

Hempy McNoodle

Well-known member
The same murders don't happen to white people.

Second. Black people spend more time in prison then white people for the same crime.

You get some more info YouTube???? lol DEEP STATE FOREVER.

Statistically, more white people have been shot and killed in this way, actually.

And if you can prove racism is the motive than you will be living up to your own standards.

And for the record I DO believe that race was the motivation in these HIGH PROFILE killings of black people. I believe they were 'psy-op' events ment to provoke racial responses favorable to the Democrat Party.
 

Absolem

Active member
Statistically, more white people have been shot and killed in this way, actually.

And if you can prove racism is the motive than you will be living up to your own standards.

And for the record I DO believe that race was the motivation in these HIGH PROFILE killings of black people. I believe they were 'psy-op' events ment to provoke racial responses favorable to the Democrat Party.

That's because you believe everything has some nefarious or sinister meaning to every event. An entire grand scheme con all day every day. It can never be just as it looks for you.

I'm starting to think you are a 'psy-op' poster mocking how phoney the DEEPSTATE is by being so silly in every post.
 

Hempy McNoodle

Well-known member
The story on common dreams.org is “ Leading Civil Rights Lawyer shows 20 ways Trump is copying Hitlers early Rhetoric”, by Burt Neuborn.
Trying to make this more readable, but that’s debatable.





Reply: maga I had a lot of fascist characteristics, and together they lean hard towards fascism unless I’m missing something

You are missing (a lot of) something. And that common dreams article could, just as well, have been titled, '20 Idiotic Ravings From An Uneducated Nevertrumper.'
It is not at all scholarly, just based on the fact that half the list was pretty much duplicatous. I am guessing that the auther tried to make a TOP TEN LIST, but found some other idiotic liberal had already beaten them to it.
 

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'Boogieman'

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https://www.npr.org/2016/07/14/4859...-hes-been-stopped-7-times-by-police-in-a-year

Scott revealed that he has been stopped seven times in the course of one year as an elected official. "Was I speeding sometimes? Sure. But the vast majority of the time I was pulled over for driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood or something else just as trivial."

Scott is one of two current African-American senators, and he's the only black Republican in the body.

Circumstances make a difference too, and it's why I usually just roll my eyes at comments like this. Anyone can get pulled over in a bad neighborhood. There are many spots in Gary where I can get pulled over because I'm not black and they will assume I'm buying crack. Same with anyone going to the west side of Chicago, especially with Indiana plates, they automatically think you are there to buy heroin. If you really want to help black people give them better jobs so they can afford to live better, banning the police will just result in more murders and only the most ruthless will live good.
 

Absolem

Active member
Boogie

How many times have you been pulled over for being in the wrong hood because you are white?

I'm going out on a limb and saying NEVER.
 

Hempy McNoodle

Well-known member
That's because you believe everything has some nefarious or sinister meaning to every event. An entire grand scheme con all day every day. It can never be just as it looks for you.

I'm starting to think you are a 'psy-op' poster mocking how phoney the DEEPSTATE is by being so silly in every post.

But, don't you believe in a baseless conspiracy that somehow Trump is coordinating or emboldening police and kkk to work together to kill black people in order to somehow make america great again??
 

Absolem

Active member
But, don't you believe in a baseless conspiracy that somehow Trump is coordinating or emboldening police and kkk to work together to kill black people in order to somehow make america great again??

Never said such a thing. If I have then post it.

Quit making shit up. I know it's hard for you.
 

Hempy McNoodle

Well-known member
Oh, shit! There are a bunch of white supremes marching down my street right now! Holy shit! I'm so scared. The Democrats were right!

Oh, wait nevermind.
 

Hempy McNoodle

Well-known member
Circumstances make a difference too, and it's why I usually just roll my eyes at comments like this. Anyone can get pulled over in a bad neighborhood. There are many spots in Gary where I can get pulled over because I'm not black and they will assume I'm buying crack. Same with anyone going to the west side of Chicago, especially with Indiana plates, they automatically think you are there to buy heroin. If you really want to help black people give them better jobs so they can afford to live better, banning the police will just result in more murders and only the most ruthless will live good.

I got pulled over by 'Whitey' in Utah because I was in a geo metro and had CA plates and they wanted to know if I had any weed from Cali to let them bust me on. I lied and said, "no." If I were black, I guess it would have been racism.

I kbow that racial profiling is real, and it sucks and it was started by that Bloomberg asshole. But, it is also racist when people think that bad things don't happen to white people.
 
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