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Jamaican Strain Identification?
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Nickcorp187
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I don't know guys first time I went to Jamaica the bellboy gave me my first bag for $20 equaled out to about a quarter. very dark very seeded. Took some to the seeds back to grew them out. Not to impressed. Every bag I got down there (negril) was dark and seeded all the same shit. not bad smoke if you don't mind picking out seeds for 15 minutes.
Best thing I thought was the coke for 20 a gram as good as if you were in boliva. but I guess I went with too much expection about the weed. I mean it's 7 mile beach jamaica! Oh well next time I'll try montego bay.
Best thing I thought was the coke for 20 a gram as good as if you were in boliva. but I guess I went with too much expection about the weed. I mean it's 7 mile beach jamaica! Oh well next time I'll try montego bay.
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Thanks Raco!
Now that I have a bit more time...let me go through my entire weed experience there. The first night I was there in St Thomas I got some weed from this old rasta staying outside of the hotel in Bath at the wonderful hot springs. He said he grew the weed himself. It cost about 0.75$ US of 50$ JA dollars for about 2-3 grams, which is standard price. It was dark and heavily seeded...likely grown in the jungle under not much light. I asked him if it was thin leaved or thick leafed and he said thick. The smoke was bad tasting, heavily seeded and not dense but more potent than one would expect. The high was very introspective thought provoking racy and trippy…a bit paranoid perhaps. Perhaps this was because this was my first day there and I was after all sitting on the floor outside the gates of my rich hotel with a very financially poor man...and thought about the cultural and economic barriers that stood between us that was inhibiting us to relate to each other as equals, and that the situation contributed to the high. In my country, I am not rich at all (quite the opposite), but to him, I was. Those were the unfortunate vibes I was feeling despite the pleasant small talk we were having. This may have been paranoia from the weed as I smoked some the next day when I was in a different environment and it had a similar effect. It could have been a bit of both now that I think about it…. This herb reminded me of what Bob Marley said about herb, that it reveals you to yourself. The high was very much along this vain...very thought inducing, introspective.
I kept getting warned about taking seeds back from Jamaicans who said there were dogs at the Kingston airport for travelers leaving the country...they always made me promise not to do it. So I kept only a few seeds of this strain, but later decided that I would only take a few of the best seeds back with me to avoid any serious risk. I just wanted to have enough to say that they were there by accident, not by intent. So I did not keep any of the seeds from this weed. The fact that it was wide leafed turned me off as my mission was to get the Indian sativa genes that could be still around in the mix.
The next day we met this rasta originally from the area who lived in Canada most of his life in my neck of the woods and he treated us to a day of food and ganja that his rasta friends made for us in their yard in town, and did not let us pay for anything. That is where I met his friend who grew a bit himself and said he had weed with thin leafs that he said grew very tall (unlike the indica that flowers under 13 hours of light in the summer in Jamaica...and never can grow tall). We talked about the introduction of Dutch/US indica genes in Negril in the 80s and he said that it was hard to know what was what anymore as pollen would have traveled throughout the country. I still think though that because most of the predominant trade winds travel east to west, and that we were on the east most part of the island and negril was at the very west, and that humidity levels in Jamaica is high which kills pollen, that if there was any place that the old genes are most predominant, it would be in St Thomas. Also, there are virtually no tourists in this part of the island. Perhaps this is wishful thinking on my part that I had obtained old school genes from him, but who knows, I will have to grow it out myself and see. This is the strain with the huge sized seeds.
The saddest part of it all was that when this friend of his had arrived, I was so high that I did not smoke any of his weed...just got the seeds off him. I should have bought some off him....but I had enough weed at that time and we were going to be traveling the next day by cab and did not want to have any weed on us as cops love stopping tourists at roadblocks to try to get some good bribe money. But the main reason was that I figured I would get the more pure sativa genes up in the mountains. It turns out, I may have been wrong in being so sure of this.
On an interesting note, almost any old-timer I talked to there kept bringing up how the weather has changed over the last decade with more droughts…for sure I think due to global warming. This is sad as many lives depends on rain. It had not rained there in months whereas normally it is a wet part of the island (not as wet as Portland, which is directly to the north of ST Thomas, but wet enough to support a lush environment unlike around Negril).
So the next day, we went up in the mountains by Cedar Valley to Jah B's place. I already told you the story in my last posts. So will just say that on our way back from the mountains, we waited a bit for our cab to pick us up again in Cedar Valley. There, I bought another 2 grams of weed while waiting for the cab. The weed that I go was very fresh, quite moist, and very very dense and came in a thick bud. It smelled like cantaloupe, like some high grade Amsterdam coffeshop weed, and judging by how dense it was and how it smelled and how fat the bud was, I figured it was a hybrid. I struggled to break off the weed in time to make a joint as it was extremely dense and sticky (most Jamaicans roll a joint in under 10 seconds no matter what, so got a bit of flack for that
. Perhaps it was my mind and preconceptions I have, but the high was very similar to modern hybrid strains...very numbing...non talkative...boring despite its beautiful smell. And we were up in the mountains in a very remote part of the country, so that surprised me. So by then, I had concluded that there was no such thing anymore as a single dominant Jamaican landrace variety. Perhaps there never was, seeing that many Indians came to Jamaica from all parts of India, likely bringing both indica and sativa over there. This weed that I was smoking though seemed like it had a bit of fruity thai in it. Just a guess though. But seeing that the high was nothing special, I did not keep any of these seeds.
Our next stop was Port Antonio, which coming from St Thomas, seemed like a rich land that was more developed and more lush. Funny as the first time I was in Portland, the poverty struck me. It is all relative and what you are used to! Anyway, the weed I got there came from a guy near a stand where someone had obtained seeds for me last May for my current grow. The weed looked nice, but the high was a bit boring compared to what I had mostly smoked in St Thomas other than in cedar valley. It was very clear, but made one a bit tiered. It looked like it had lots if resin on it, mostly amber but some white. This could explain why it had that slightly sleepy effect. The stand that this weed came from was where everyone got it in the hotel I was staying at. Some past guests had dumped a few seeds in a pot without the hotel owner knowing about it, and plants had sprouted that looked very much like mine. Also, I bought a bud for about 1.50$ that had the same red stem blotches that my plant had. So I am now thinking this is very likely the strain I am currently growing. What makes sense about this is that my plant is in early flowering, and like EM's plant, it is already pumping out tons of resin. By the time this plant finishes in terms of pistils browning or reddening up, lots of the current resin may oxidize and turned amber in addition to the fresher resin produced throughout flowering, which could explain why it give a slight tiered effect. Who knows. The one thing I can say is that there are more sativa like strains that I encountered than the one I am now growing...so unless the high from this my current strain blows me away, I will not breed it.
This is what 1.50$US will get you in the non touristy parts of the island (in Negril, we paid much more than local prices). This is the weed that we get near by the hotel we were at.
These are the plants at the hotel (the owner cleared them up when he found out). The weed was most likely obtained from the same place I keep talking about where guests get there ganja from, and the plants here look and smell the same as mine. Not pure sativa. They are flowering under the winter sun in poor soil.
Raco, is this your first time growing the caribe? Is the high as cannabiogen describes it, that it increases the senses and makes time go slower? If so, I was thinking of crossing it with a Malawi for some good musician's weed and to bring down the flowering time of the Malawi.
Purple skunk is what Dutch Passion used to call their Shaman strain, which is 87% sativa. The Jamaican referred to the strain as Purple Skunk Indica though. Perhaps it is the same strain, and it is interesting that you say someone brought over Dutch Passion genes in the past. Perhaps it is the same strains, but who knows. Identifying strains in Jamaica is a nightmare as it has been stated by others here in the past! I think many there view the whole idea of keeping strains apart as a bit anal, and in their situation with all the wind carrying pollen around perhaps quite impossible in the long term. But purple skunk indica is a strain in their current vocabulary of what is present on the island. Also, someone told me that lambsbread is indeed a strain, but who knows for sure
Now that I have a bit more time...let me go through my entire weed experience there. The first night I was there in St Thomas I got some weed from this old rasta staying outside of the hotel in Bath at the wonderful hot springs. He said he grew the weed himself. It cost about 0.75$ US of 50$ JA dollars for about 2-3 grams, which is standard price. It was dark and heavily seeded...likely grown in the jungle under not much light. I asked him if it was thin leaved or thick leafed and he said thick. The smoke was bad tasting, heavily seeded and not dense but more potent than one would expect. The high was very introspective thought provoking racy and trippy…a bit paranoid perhaps. Perhaps this was because this was my first day there and I was after all sitting on the floor outside the gates of my rich hotel with a very financially poor man...and thought about the cultural and economic barriers that stood between us that was inhibiting us to relate to each other as equals, and that the situation contributed to the high. In my country, I am not rich at all (quite the opposite), but to him, I was. Those were the unfortunate vibes I was feeling despite the pleasant small talk we were having. This may have been paranoia from the weed as I smoked some the next day when I was in a different environment and it had a similar effect. It could have been a bit of both now that I think about it…. This herb reminded me of what Bob Marley said about herb, that it reveals you to yourself. The high was very much along this vain...very thought inducing, introspective.
I kept getting warned about taking seeds back from Jamaicans who said there were dogs at the Kingston airport for travelers leaving the country...they always made me promise not to do it. So I kept only a few seeds of this strain, but later decided that I would only take a few of the best seeds back with me to avoid any serious risk. I just wanted to have enough to say that they were there by accident, not by intent. So I did not keep any of the seeds from this weed. The fact that it was wide leafed turned me off as my mission was to get the Indian sativa genes that could be still around in the mix.
The next day we met this rasta originally from the area who lived in Canada most of his life in my neck of the woods and he treated us to a day of food and ganja that his rasta friends made for us in their yard in town, and did not let us pay for anything. That is where I met his friend who grew a bit himself and said he had weed with thin leafs that he said grew very tall (unlike the indica that flowers under 13 hours of light in the summer in Jamaica...and never can grow tall). We talked about the introduction of Dutch/US indica genes in Negril in the 80s and he said that it was hard to know what was what anymore as pollen would have traveled throughout the country. I still think though that because most of the predominant trade winds travel east to west, and that we were on the east most part of the island and negril was at the very west, and that humidity levels in Jamaica is high which kills pollen, that if there was any place that the old genes are most predominant, it would be in St Thomas. Also, there are virtually no tourists in this part of the island. Perhaps this is wishful thinking on my part that I had obtained old school genes from him, but who knows, I will have to grow it out myself and see. This is the strain with the huge sized seeds.
The saddest part of it all was that when this friend of his had arrived, I was so high that I did not smoke any of his weed...just got the seeds off him. I should have bought some off him....but I had enough weed at that time and we were going to be traveling the next day by cab and did not want to have any weed on us as cops love stopping tourists at roadblocks to try to get some good bribe money. But the main reason was that I figured I would get the more pure sativa genes up in the mountains. It turns out, I may have been wrong in being so sure of this.
On an interesting note, almost any old-timer I talked to there kept bringing up how the weather has changed over the last decade with more droughts…for sure I think due to global warming. This is sad as many lives depends on rain. It had not rained there in months whereas normally it is a wet part of the island (not as wet as Portland, which is directly to the north of ST Thomas, but wet enough to support a lush environment unlike around Negril).
So the next day, we went up in the mountains by Cedar Valley to Jah B's place. I already told you the story in my last posts. So will just say that on our way back from the mountains, we waited a bit for our cab to pick us up again in Cedar Valley. There, I bought another 2 grams of weed while waiting for the cab. The weed that I go was very fresh, quite moist, and very very dense and came in a thick bud. It smelled like cantaloupe, like some high grade Amsterdam coffeshop weed, and judging by how dense it was and how it smelled and how fat the bud was, I figured it was a hybrid. I struggled to break off the weed in time to make a joint as it was extremely dense and sticky (most Jamaicans roll a joint in under 10 seconds no matter what, so got a bit of flack for that
. Perhaps it was my mind and preconceptions I have, but the high was very similar to modern hybrid strains...very numbing...non talkative...boring despite its beautiful smell. And we were up in the mountains in a very remote part of the country, so that surprised me. So by then, I had concluded that there was no such thing anymore as a single dominant Jamaican landrace variety. Perhaps there never was, seeing that many Indians came to Jamaica from all parts of India, likely bringing both indica and sativa over there. This weed that I was smoking though seemed like it had a bit of fruity thai in it. Just a guess though. But seeing that the high was nothing special, I did not keep any of these seeds. Our next stop was Port Antonio, which coming from St Thomas, seemed like a rich land that was more developed and more lush. Funny as the first time I was in Portland, the poverty struck me. It is all relative and what you are used to! Anyway, the weed I got there came from a guy near a stand where someone had obtained seeds for me last May for my current grow. The weed looked nice, but the high was a bit boring compared to what I had mostly smoked in St Thomas other than in cedar valley. It was very clear, but made one a bit tiered. It looked like it had lots if resin on it, mostly amber but some white. This could explain why it had that slightly sleepy effect. The stand that this weed came from was where everyone got it in the hotel I was staying at. Some past guests had dumped a few seeds in a pot without the hotel owner knowing about it, and plants had sprouted that looked very much like mine. Also, I bought a bud for about 1.50$ that had the same red stem blotches that my plant had. So I am now thinking this is very likely the strain I am currently growing. What makes sense about this is that my plant is in early flowering, and like EM's plant, it is already pumping out tons of resin. By the time this plant finishes in terms of pistils browning or reddening up, lots of the current resin may oxidize and turned amber in addition to the fresher resin produced throughout flowering, which could explain why it give a slight tiered effect. Who knows. The one thing I can say is that there are more sativa like strains that I encountered than the one I am now growing...so unless the high from this my current strain blows me away, I will not breed it.
This is what 1.50$US will get you in the non touristy parts of the island (in Negril, we paid much more than local prices). This is the weed that we get near by the hotel we were at.
These are the plants at the hotel (the owner cleared them up when he found out). The weed was most likely obtained from the same place I keep talking about where guests get there ganja from, and the plants here look and smell the same as mine. Not pure sativa. They are flowering under the winter sun in poor soil.
Raco, is this your first time growing the caribe? Is the high as cannabiogen describes it, that it increases the senses and makes time go slower? If so, I was thinking of crossing it with a Malawi for some good musician's weed and to bring down the flowering time of the Malawi.
Purple skunk is what Dutch Passion used to call their Shaman strain, which is 87% sativa. The Jamaican referred to the strain as Purple Skunk Indica though. Perhaps it is the same strain, and it is interesting that you say someone brought over Dutch Passion genes in the past. Perhaps it is the same strains, but who knows. Identifying strains in Jamaica is a nightmare as it has been stated by others here in the past! I think many there view the whole idea of keeping strains apart as a bit anal, and in their situation with all the wind carrying pollen around perhaps quite impossible in the long term. But purple skunk indica is a strain in their current vocabulary of what is present on the island. Also, someone told me that lambsbread is indeed a strain, but who knows for sure
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http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/west...45_OBS__GANJA_FARMERS_MOVE_INTO_HIGH_GEAR.asp
Ganja farmers move into high gear
Thursday, March 01, 2007
Merchants involved in the illicit ganja trade are surreptitiously postitioning themselves to cash in on the business opportunities expected from the influx of between 12,000 and 15,000 visitors projected to arrive in the island for the international event.
According to one marijuana dealer in the resort town of Negril, it is an open secret that a great number of visitors to our shores passionately crave the 'weed'.
He argued that among those who use the drug are spring breakers - college students mostly from North America who consume a lot of alcholol and smoke ganja cigarettes at Spring Break parties.
He also claimed that some tourists even visit the ganja fields to get a first-hand experience of how the plant is grown, as well as to smoke the weed, which is predominantly of the highest grade - namely 'Ice', 'Purple Skunk' and 'Pineapple Skunk' - in a quiet environment.
In the meantime, the farmers expect the large number of supporters from the 16 participating teams will undoubtedly drive the demand for the product higher throughout the duration of the tournament.
In light of this, some ganja farmers in Westmoreland are earnestly preparing their ganja crop to be harvested around the time of CWC 2007.
Earlier this week, a farmer, who spoke to the Observer West on condition of anonymity, disclosed that at this time of year the weed was in short supply. He noted that during drought periods the ganja trees come to fruition over a shorter time span but there was a decline in the quantity.
"During the drought we produce weed from between one month and six weeks. But during the spring time it takes over two months to get ready, but them bulkier," he explained.
Scarcity, however, has sent the price skyrocketing to upwards of $6,000 per pound (100$ US), in comparison to the average $3,000 per pound (50$US) when it is more abundant.
He was, however, quick to point out that although the trade was lucrative, ganja production was becoming more and more risky as members of the Jamaica Constabulary Force, with assistance from the Jamaica Defence Force soldiers were locating ganja fields and destroying them.
"The soldiers fly over in their choppers and spot out the weed then they bring police and chop down the fields and burn up the herbs," he declared.
Meanwhile, senior superintendent of police in charge of Narcotics Carlton Wilson, noted that the narco-cops have recorded a high level of success in the destruction of the weed since the start of this year.
"We have been extremely successful. We have intensified our activities in terms of eradication and enforcement and we have had quite an amount of success," said Wilson. "In comparison to this period last year, we are in excess of the amount of acreage that we have actually destroyed. We have also significantly come way above in terms of seizure."
He added: "We carried out a lot of arrests for the drugs and we have seen an increase so far in the foreigners arrested at the international airports."
Ganja farmers move into high gear
Thursday, March 01, 2007
Merchants involved in the illicit ganja trade are surreptitiously postitioning themselves to cash in on the business opportunities expected from the influx of between 12,000 and 15,000 visitors projected to arrive in the island for the international event.
According to one marijuana dealer in the resort town of Negril, it is an open secret that a great number of visitors to our shores passionately crave the 'weed'.
He argued that among those who use the drug are spring breakers - college students mostly from North America who consume a lot of alcholol and smoke ganja cigarettes at Spring Break parties.
He also claimed that some tourists even visit the ganja fields to get a first-hand experience of how the plant is grown, as well as to smoke the weed, which is predominantly of the highest grade - namely 'Ice', 'Purple Skunk' and 'Pineapple Skunk' - in a quiet environment.
In the meantime, the farmers expect the large number of supporters from the 16 participating teams will undoubtedly drive the demand for the product higher throughout the duration of the tournament.
In light of this, some ganja farmers in Westmoreland are earnestly preparing their ganja crop to be harvested around the time of CWC 2007.
Earlier this week, a farmer, who spoke to the Observer West on condition of anonymity, disclosed that at this time of year the weed was in short supply. He noted that during drought periods the ganja trees come to fruition over a shorter time span but there was a decline in the quantity.
"During the drought we produce weed from between one month and six weeks. But during the spring time it takes over two months to get ready, but them bulkier," he explained.
Scarcity, however, has sent the price skyrocketing to upwards of $6,000 per pound (100$ US), in comparison to the average $3,000 per pound (50$US) when it is more abundant.
He was, however, quick to point out that although the trade was lucrative, ganja production was becoming more and more risky as members of the Jamaica Constabulary Force, with assistance from the Jamaica Defence Force soldiers were locating ganja fields and destroying them.
"The soldiers fly over in their choppers and spot out the weed then they bring police and chop down the fields and burn up the herbs," he declared.
Meanwhile, senior superintendent of police in charge of Narcotics Carlton Wilson, noted that the narco-cops have recorded a high level of success in the destruction of the weed since the start of this year.
"We have been extremely successful. We have intensified our activities in terms of eradication and enforcement and we have had quite an amount of success," said Wilson. "In comparison to this period last year, we are in excess of the amount of acreage that we have actually destroyed. We have also significantly come way above in terms of seizure."
He added: "We carried out a lot of arrests for the drugs and we have seen an increase so far in the foreigners arrested at the international airports."
'Pineapple Skunk' eh? Wonder whether that refers to the taste/smell, or the shape? As my buds certainly are pineapple-shaped...
And thanks for the post Pescador - great write-up, and very informative. Much to think about....
And thanks for the post Pescador - great write-up, and very informative. Much to think about....
Thank you pescador
It was a reality check, because by american standards we are very poor here.
We dont eat sometimes and I sometmes go 2-3 days like this... I'm into my plants. she will reward me if I take care of her. I'm dedicated.
But here I am behind a computer, thinking I am poor because i go a bit hungry at times. and a multitiude of reasons. (no propane in the winter this year) But at least I have an old computer. It's a 1999 model but so what it works or I would not be here.
The more and more you describe the jamaicans, the more and more i remeber the real one. From the plates in the 70's, stamped wrapping.Just before everyone tried to call evreything jamaican..
It had to be a pressed plate. They smuggled it between two plates i heard. Boxes of them- but inbetween the plates.
It always had a wet oily smell to it.
And the taste was a little bit like the thai's, but different.
A lot of what was called "thai" was actually fats. It wasn't on a stick at all.
The buds were placed in bundles carefully, entwined amongst each other, so they did not crush very badly. I am talking the "thai fats". Some have said that anything not tied on a stick was from india... I'm still not sure about that.
But it is very possible for the jamaican to be either thai or indian..
The thai's I have from vision himself, have the claw i noticed though leaves are larger and huge.
The virility of the vision thai is 4 times that of the jamaicans at least. And they do both claw a bit...
On the mexican indica. I'm looking at my bagseed diploid from the mexi chron. (no wonder it tasted so good eh raco- indica) And it has the palm tree shape...
The pinnates are more pronounced, and they look jagged and droopy way more so.
This is from the mutant, and she is sparking memeories of the citrus mexican indica I grew in 1999.
No this Isn't the parent of her...
The thai looks closer, and the differences i see could easily be acclimatization and generational in nature..selecting for drought tolerance for example, would make vision thai go toward the blue mountain pheno. I could pull it offf in a few generations with my guerilla tactics.
Tank ,bubblers, risers/pvc pipe/timers, shit off valve, filters.
Ya set it up.
and in spring use bubblers to water deep , but once a month.
In summer switch to drip and pump it to twice or 3 times a week. Mine was twice.
I moved up here with a system like that running. I drove down once a month to fill the tanks with water and maintenance... I watered in the pitch black night most times, and waited until sunrise to maintenance.
This was behind a junkyard where no-body could get in but me and a couple others.
But up in no-mans land....Govt prop.preserve.
The San diego wildfires of 02 burned me out, the day after I had planned to harvest and got delayed.
That was on top of a hill where it never frosts, and the heat was so intense in the summer it's unreal... Semi arid desert. This system/spot would break the thai down to look like the jamaican after time. Or something similar.
with the bubblers driving the roots deeper in spring, and drip to conserve in summer.
That's why i got in trouble here last year, not cannabis in my yard ,but a guerilla grow next to blm land. They thought I was about to encroach in a big way I guess.
Im staying out of the forest this year.I dont walk my dogs up there anymore because of drawing attention..
The indian sativa could actually be decended from thai genes originally.
which would bring us full circle...
I remeber the plates. I'll know if they are like those by the stone alone.
It was much like thai, but fresher so deeper.Thai has a waxy after taste, the seeds are wax coated. The wax appears in a water pipe's water...always with thai.( It is my personal beleif that this is due to acclimatizing to humidity)
Jamaican is oily, there would be oily resins on you fingers breaking it up to roll one. My neighbor the dealer had them a few times.. It was hella expensive in 1973 or 1975 whatever it was back then it was high...
I think 50 or 60 a quarter but i'm not sure..
But the smell was like oranges and oily something, deep acrid and very strange smell.
I mainly remeber oily...
If those smells even come close from these JAMS I'll be flashing in on it..
raco
it's coming to a head around here.. I'm getting up to roll out now.
feel fre to co-sign my searchings. Lots of kids think I aint got the touch or somethin...( just wait until they see how well we have adjusted to the climate- all my little children come out at once this year- 90% my work...rez is gonna eat some crow all year I'll rub his face in mudd)
It was a reality check, because by american standards we are very poor here.
We dont eat sometimes and I sometmes go 2-3 days like this... I'm into my plants. she will reward me if I take care of her. I'm dedicated.
But here I am behind a computer, thinking I am poor because i go a bit hungry at times. and a multitiude of reasons. (no propane in the winter this year) But at least I have an old computer. It's a 1999 model but so what it works or I would not be here.
The more and more you describe the jamaicans, the more and more i remeber the real one. From the plates in the 70's, stamped wrapping.Just before everyone tried to call evreything jamaican..
It had to be a pressed plate. They smuggled it between two plates i heard. Boxes of them- but inbetween the plates.
It always had a wet oily smell to it.
And the taste was a little bit like the thai's, but different.
A lot of what was called "thai" was actually fats. It wasn't on a stick at all.
The buds were placed in bundles carefully, entwined amongst each other, so they did not crush very badly. I am talking the "thai fats". Some have said that anything not tied on a stick was from india... I'm still not sure about that.
But it is very possible for the jamaican to be either thai or indian..
The thai's I have from vision himself, have the claw i noticed though leaves are larger and huge.
The virility of the vision thai is 4 times that of the jamaicans at least. And they do both claw a bit...
On the mexican indica. I'm looking at my bagseed diploid from the mexi chron. (no wonder it tasted so good eh raco- indica) And it has the palm tree shape...
The pinnates are more pronounced, and they look jagged and droopy way more so.
This is from the mutant, and she is sparking memeories of the citrus mexican indica I grew in 1999.
No this Isn't the parent of her...
The thai looks closer, and the differences i see could easily be acclimatization and generational in nature..selecting for drought tolerance for example, would make vision thai go toward the blue mountain pheno. I could pull it offf in a few generations with my guerilla tactics.
Tank ,bubblers, risers/pvc pipe/timers, shit off valve, filters.
Ya set it up.
and in spring use bubblers to water deep , but once a month.
In summer switch to drip and pump it to twice or 3 times a week. Mine was twice.
I moved up here with a system like that running. I drove down once a month to fill the tanks with water and maintenance... I watered in the pitch black night most times, and waited until sunrise to maintenance.
This was behind a junkyard where no-body could get in but me and a couple others.
But up in no-mans land....Govt prop.preserve.
The San diego wildfires of 02 burned me out, the day after I had planned to harvest and got delayed.
That was on top of a hill where it never frosts, and the heat was so intense in the summer it's unreal... Semi arid desert. This system/spot would break the thai down to look like the jamaican after time. Or something similar.
with the bubblers driving the roots deeper in spring, and drip to conserve in summer.
That's why i got in trouble here last year, not cannabis in my yard ,but a guerilla grow next to blm land. They thought I was about to encroach in a big way I guess.
Im staying out of the forest this year.I dont walk my dogs up there anymore because of drawing attention..
The indian sativa could actually be decended from thai genes originally.
which would bring us full circle...
I remeber the plates. I'll know if they are like those by the stone alone.
It was much like thai, but fresher so deeper.Thai has a waxy after taste, the seeds are wax coated. The wax appears in a water pipe's water...always with thai.( It is my personal beleif that this is due to acclimatizing to humidity)
Jamaican is oily, there would be oily resins on you fingers breaking it up to roll one. My neighbor the dealer had them a few times.. It was hella expensive in 1973 or 1975 whatever it was back then it was high...
I think 50 or 60 a quarter but i'm not sure..
But the smell was like oranges and oily something, deep acrid and very strange smell.
I mainly remeber oily...
If those smells even come close from these JAMS I'll be flashing in on it..
raco
it's coming to a head around here.. I'm getting up to roll out now.
feel fre to co-sign my searchings. Lots of kids think I aint got the touch or somethin...( just wait until they see how well we have adjusted to the climate- all my little children come out at once this year- 90% my work...rez is gonna eat some crow all year I'll rub his face in mudd)
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I remeber now.
when thai was 45-50 the jamaican was 70 in so cal.... It was fresher than thai, so it flew out at that price and soon disappeared from town....
we got it in san diego for a few years that i remeber. Goosh those were the days when there were 15 dollar thai sticks,Little ones with oil on them.. There would be golden spots on the plastic baggie you carried them in, and the stick would turn the baggie inside out like sticky saran wrap.
I would gladly trade all my animals for one of those sticks. I love my animals.
But the oiled thai sticks were very top notch. I loved them.
The only better thai stick, was reportedly from laos. Very much smaller. Still had hemp twine. (anything that didn't was fake or hawaiiian- colored thread on haw. sticks in late 70's...)The green sticks were grown by monks in the monestarys of laos.
I'm sure they are still the same, monks hold onto things as they are, especially tradition. Those things were insane. 1/3 a stick would floor ya in an opium dream state.
but it was supposedly not opiated?
I been looking at reefs cambodian it may be close.
reef's got some pretty good gear I think...
I always did like him too. But he has a nice selection of things...
Raco I'm taking my male g-13 that reversed and spreading her to whoever agrees to hit ECSD with her. Rez barked up the wrong tree.
we gonna show him how it's done cali style...
Ya up for a chore? Thke the ECSD and my male and reproduce/spread many.
It's part of the ISO roadkill and that seems a good pool to play in...
The ghani will mow the hybridness over and recombiante with the dominat kush P.
also my reversed male WILL, I can guarantee- turn her into a hermie free 69-90% female strain....
If everyone with ECSD hits her we got beans to cull for days in the ISO roadkill.
I'm trying to bust into the lab and start a thread onher so we can keep it quiet while we work. Not so much what we are working on.
Rez's genetics couldn't touch a project like this.
ONe white rabbit pops out of my hat!
"felix the cat bro"
I'm not kiddin.
when thai was 45-50 the jamaican was 70 in so cal.... It was fresher than thai, so it flew out at that price and soon disappeared from town....
we got it in san diego for a few years that i remeber. Goosh those were the days when there were 15 dollar thai sticks,Little ones with oil on them.. There would be golden spots on the plastic baggie you carried them in, and the stick would turn the baggie inside out like sticky saran wrap.
I would gladly trade all my animals for one of those sticks. I love my animals.
But the oiled thai sticks were very top notch. I loved them.
The only better thai stick, was reportedly from laos. Very much smaller. Still had hemp twine. (anything that didn't was fake or hawaiiian- colored thread on haw. sticks in late 70's...)The green sticks were grown by monks in the monestarys of laos.
I'm sure they are still the same, monks hold onto things as they are, especially tradition. Those things were insane. 1/3 a stick would floor ya in an opium dream state.
but it was supposedly not opiated?
I been looking at reefs cambodian it may be close.
reef's got some pretty good gear I think...
I always did like him too. But he has a nice selection of things...
Raco I'm taking my male g-13 that reversed and spreading her to whoever agrees to hit ECSD with her. Rez barked up the wrong tree.
we gonna show him how it's done cali style...
Ya up for a chore? Thke the ECSD and my male and reproduce/spread many.
It's part of the ISO roadkill and that seems a good pool to play in...
The ghani will mow the hybridness over and recombiante with the dominat kush P.
also my reversed male WILL, I can guarantee- turn her into a hermie free 69-90% female strain....
If everyone with ECSD hits her we got beans to cull for days in the ISO roadkill.
I'm trying to bust into the lab and start a thread onher so we can keep it quiet while we work. Not so much what we are working on.
Rez's genetics couldn't touch a project like this.
ONe white rabbit pops out of my hat!
"felix the cat bro"
I'm not kiddin.
Here's a couple of budshots I just took - this thing is looking to be about 7-10 days from harvest, and the flush has begun as from tonight - should expect to see even more swellage and resin coverage than I've got now, and it's ridiculous already....
Very nice grow EM! You are a great grower!
I have had some real bad luck. My tap water has been PH7 for as long as I can remember. When I got back from Jamaica, my plants looks real bad. A friend had come over twice to give them a good drenching with non fert water. So I did not understand why they looked so bad. I only check water PH when I add ferts, but I just checked the tap water PH and it was way off the charts at around 8! My jamaican looks like it is on its way out, but i have a real big healthy clone that I can put into flower. I sampled some of the buds that have been growing for no longer than 1 month. In the vaporizer, it had a very distinctive taste of sesame leaves...if you have ever had Korean food. Sesame leaves taste like sesame and mint combined, but yet distinctive. It was exactly what this bud tasted like. The high was in the head and very clear, a bit psychedelic, but not too up and energetic. It made time go slower, but it had a comedown burn effect that lasted hours, like of what I smoked in port antonio. The clone which is 2 feet will go into flower.
EM, I can't wait for a smoke report!
Raco, I did forget to mention that when in Bath St Thomas we were walking with the rasta through people’s yard as he wanted me to taste the best grapefruit around. In a yard, I saw a single weed plant growing that was about 2 feet tall and it had not flowered yet, which means that it was more sativa since the sun was only shingin about 11.45 hours a day. The leaf shape looked identical to the caribe, the only difference was that it was lighter green. I wonder with kakai's BM sativa and the caribe if the leaves are darker because in the plants are getting more ferts than they would typically in Jamaica, or because this is a trait. Unfortunately, I did not take a picture of that plant
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I have had some real bad luck. My tap water has been PH7 for as long as I can remember. When I got back from Jamaica, my plants looks real bad. A friend had come over twice to give them a good drenching with non fert water. So I did not understand why they looked so bad. I only check water PH when I add ferts, but I just checked the tap water PH and it was way off the charts at around 8! My jamaican looks like it is on its way out, but i have a real big healthy clone that I can put into flower. I sampled some of the buds that have been growing for no longer than 1 month. In the vaporizer, it had a very distinctive taste of sesame leaves...if you have ever had Korean food. Sesame leaves taste like sesame and mint combined, but yet distinctive. It was exactly what this bud tasted like. The high was in the head and very clear, a bit psychedelic, but not too up and energetic. It made time go slower, but it had a comedown burn effect that lasted hours, like of what I smoked in port antonio. The clone which is 2 feet will go into flower.
EM, I can't wait for a smoke report!
Raco, I did forget to mention that when in Bath St Thomas we were walking with the rasta through people’s yard as he wanted me to taste the best grapefruit around. In a yard, I saw a single weed plant growing that was about 2 feet tall and it had not flowered yet, which means that it was more sativa since the sun was only shingin about 11.45 hours a day. The leaf shape looked identical to the caribe, the only difference was that it was lighter green. I wonder with kakai's BM sativa and the caribe if the leaves are darker because in the plants are getting more ferts than they would typically in Jamaica, or because this is a trait. Unfortunately, I did not take a picture of that plant
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Hola pescador,
I don´t know....afaik,the BM is Colombian,Mexican & Indian
Elevator Man,
Very nice plants!
"Raco I'm taking my male g-13 that reversed and spreading her to whoever agrees to hit ECSD with her. Rez barked up the wrong tree."
Hola Tiedye,
I have 4 seeds found in an ECSD cutting.I have to grow them first,maybe they are S1´s...?The other possiblity is that the ECSD was hit with pollen from a (Destroyer x Destroyer) x Destroyer nanner...not bx
I don´t know....afaik,the BM is Colombian,Mexican & Indian
Elevator Man,
Very nice plants!
"Raco I'm taking my male g-13 that reversed and spreading her to whoever agrees to hit ECSD with her. Rez barked up the wrong tree."
Hola Tiedye,
I have 4 seeds found in an ECSD cutting.I have to grow them first,maybe they are S1´s...?The other possiblity is that the ECSD was hit with pollen from a (Destroyer x Destroyer) x Destroyer nanner...not bx
Pescador - it's looking very good - lights on any minute, so I'll go see how it's doing. I chopped off a bottom bud the other day - looks to be about 3 grams when dry - that's a 'bottom bud'! Should be dry by Thursday/Friday... 
I've never tried Sesame leaves, but I know what you mean about the difficulty with more unusual tastes - smells and tastes can really only be described with reference to some other smell or taste - witness the 'skunk' problem for non-US dwellers. But I haven't smoked or smelled weed like this before - it is similar to skunk - not as sweet, but it does have that dusty cheesy pungency when growing, which diminishes on drying - what's left is really hard to describe, but the high is certainly similar to what you describe - especially the duration!
I've never tried Sesame leaves, but I know what you mean about the difficulty with more unusual tastes - smells and tastes can really only be described with reference to some other smell or taste - witness the 'skunk' problem for non-US dwellers. But I haven't smoked or smelled weed like this before - it is similar to skunk - not as sweet, but it does have that dusty cheesy pungency when growing, which diminishes on drying - what's left is really hard to describe, but the high is certainly similar to what you describe - especially the duration!
I know - imagine Oregano farmers finding their new hybrid crop smelled of lavender - they'd be ruined!
Seriously though, I can't think of any other plant that's bred for so many different characteristics at once - roses etc. are bred for smell, color appearance, etc., but to breed also for flavour, palatability, fruit size, etc. It's the combination of traits normally reserved to fruits, vegetables, flowers, etc. all combined into one. It's a good job it doesn't taste that great in salads...
Seriously though, I can't think of any other plant that's bred for so many different characteristics at once - roses etc. are bred for smell, color appearance, etc., but to breed also for flavour, palatability, fruit size, etc. It's the combination of traits normally reserved to fruits, vegetables, flowers, etc. all combined into one. It's a good job it doesn't taste that great in salads...
Raco
sleeping giant seed co eh- ROFLMAO
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If you and the boys could visit my signature threads and please comment.
I will forever hold you even more closely to my heart.
My head is fini! Brainstorm over!!!!
My soul is surfacing, and everyone who knows not who I am is confused.
This Is not my story to tell.It's my familys. You are my family raco.
You and the others who try to understand what's in my head..And what I'm doing with it....
And my family has always been there for me.
Thanks raco, for being in my extended family tree...You have helped me to construct a universe to rival the real. Now I'm making it real.
Yeah I'll hit her with him simultaneously around the planet,let 'him' know what's up wit dat...
We will pull the crap tendecys out. You know me. I gotta go PM suzy CC to figure out any terminology. I'm half retarded and my ADHD (yes suzy -I call it anxiety) causes me to backwards think- though I'm right all along I'm just terming backwards. Suzy won't let me graduate yet over it.. at myself.
But is your cut an original clone mom? Like the seed which came from the hogsbreath in 1998 I had...
If this is the case yes it is S-1.....
If you use the seed it creates another, S-2.
See I got it down now- Gotcha!
tie
sleeping giant seed co eh- ROFLMAO
:If you and the boys could visit my signature threads and please comment.
I will forever hold you even more closely to my heart.
My head is fini! Brainstorm over!!!!
My soul is surfacing, and everyone who knows not who I am is confused.
This Is not my story to tell.It's my familys. You are my family raco.
You and the others who try to understand what's in my head..And what I'm doing with it....
And my family has always been there for me.
Thanks raco, for being in my extended family tree...You have helped me to construct a universe to rival the real. Now I'm making it real.
Yeah I'll hit her with him simultaneously around the planet,let 'him' know what's up wit dat...
We will pull the crap tendecys out. You know me. I gotta go PM suzy CC to figure out any terminology. I'm half retarded and my ADHD (yes suzy -I call it anxiety) causes me to backwards think- though I'm right all along I'm just terming backwards. Suzy won't let me graduate yet over it..
at myself.But is your cut an original clone mom? Like the seed which came from the hogsbreath in 1998 I had...
If this is the case yes it is S-1.....
If you use the seed it creates another, S-2.
See I got it down now- Gotcha!
tie
Raco said:Hola pescador,
I don´t know....afaik,the BM is Colombian,Mexican & Indian
Elevator Man,
Very nice plants!
"Raco I'm taking my male g-13 that reversed and spreading her to whoever agrees to hit ECSD with her. Rez barked up the wrong tree."
Hola Tiedye,
I have 4 seeds found in an ECSD cutting.I have to grow them first,maybe they are S1´s...?The other possiblity is that the ECSD was hit with pollen from a (Destroyer x Destroyer) x Destroyer nanner...not bx
Elevator Man said:I know - imagine Oregano farmers finding their new hybrid crop smelled of lavender - they'd be ruined!
Seriously though, I can't think of any other plant that's bred for so many different characteristics at once - roses etc. are bred for smell, color appearance, etc., but to breed also for flavour, palatability, fruit size, etc. It's the combination of traits normally reserved to fruits, vegetables, flowers, etc. all combined into one. It's a good job it doesn't taste that great in salads...
lol good point! Please giive us the details on the harvest...how the smoke compares to the flos etc...when ready! Thanks!
broken
broken
You would love a walk in my garden.. My one true strain I made. The stinky one..L.O.L>she is broken down at f2... but her f1...f2 from the cross.
stinky was a test of selection...
reborn, well she will be. In many new capacities.. Now i can pinpoint more of her smells, as she springbuds in the yard...
gardenia is a distinct pheno, and in veg for further testing...Strawberry, is the hogsbreath pheno...The colombian smells very strange yet colombian..
And the original pheno of hashplant is grape smell now, similar to urkle.
all in one work. All seperating now....into new works..dj style...
my f1 are viable still.after 4 years or so...I'm finally getting back to it...
Fortunatly most of my gear is f1 and just being tested this year...
The sichuans i suppose, is just second gen -acclimatized indoor a bit...
I breed by smell and go nuts all the time. "OMG this isBlabla bla, 3 days later- OMG now it's bla bla bla... then late in flower- Yeah it's a whatever...
Until stinky broke down from f2 P generation, i just couldnt put a finger on it.. I got the gardenia seperate don't worry.
I never heard of one either, But I nailed it, and have it coming out after this year's over....at a theatre near you....and hopefully with the good lord willing, I'll have the strawberry HB pheno out also....
" These strawberries stink daddy"
tie
broken
You would love a walk in my garden.. My one true strain I made. The stinky one..L.O.L>she is broken down at f2... but her f1...f2 from the cross.
stinky was a test of selection...
reborn, well she will be. In many new capacities.. Now i can pinpoint more of her smells, as she springbuds in the yard...
gardenia is a distinct pheno, and in veg for further testing...Strawberry, is the hogsbreath pheno...The colombian smells very strange yet colombian..
And the original pheno of hashplant is grape smell now, similar to urkle.
all in one work. All seperating now....into new works..dj style...
my f1 are viable still.after 4 years or so...I'm finally getting back to it...
Fortunatly most of my gear is f1 and just being tested this year...
The sichuans i suppose, is just second gen -acclimatized indoor a bit...
I breed by smell and go nuts all the time. "OMG this isBlabla bla, 3 days later- OMG now it's bla bla bla... then late in flower- Yeah it's a whatever...
Until stinky broke down from f2 P generation, i just couldnt put a finger on it.. I got the gardenia seperate don't worry.
I never heard of one either, But I nailed it, and have it coming out after this year's over....at a theatre near you....and hopefully with the good lord willing, I'll have the strawberry HB pheno out also....
" These strawberries stink daddy"
tie
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