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Jamaican Strain Identification?

Farmer John

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:eek: WOW. Welcome indeed, you spanish guys ever heard of a strain called african Queen cultivated there? A portugese friend of mine, deceased, brought some old old seeds from there they had been growing in spain and portugal, one was this strange Skunk pheno, all plants were single cola, bred for large outdoor grows and the African Queen was just simply fantastic, hugehuge plants that produced fantastci feathery buds...he said these two were grown a lot where he came from and had been in there for a few decades...just wanted to know if anyone else has heard anything..peace!
 

Raco

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Hola FJ,
I think that it´s still there...La Reina de Africa :D.I don´t remember the seed co. right now...Kannabia seeds perhaps?I saw it listed the other day...:D
 

Farmer John

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Thanks Raco it would be awesome if that is the one, all I know is that its old and fantastic, talking bout being grown since late/mid 80´s, that Power Skunklooks a lot like the skunk he had, all plants were really uniform, little to no sidebranches and very skunky golfball size nugs covered in trichs...thanks again Raco!!!
 

tiedye420

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Hey watch what you say about hippies...I may be only 44 but my bro's went to viet nam.. I stayed home to protest... Of course i was about 7 at the time...
I run around barefoot or in sandals, make and wear my own tiedyes. And grow pot.
Ya think i might be a young hippie?
Anyways this sure looks like certified hippie gear right here..
(nomadic- the insanity of it all... This one seems to have inherited a very low smell from the NL.. It just smells kind..sweet hashy kind..)
Which of course could change radically in full flower..
She had a 3 week sexing, and my g-13 male went in reverse..So they went back to 18/6 then later 24/7.
They have been getting mostly water for a few weeks, a little weak Age old organics 10 days ago...
This one does not get light poisoning like the landracebased/heirloom G parent does, due to the nl5xkush being a fantastic indoor strain, and just as strong a breeder as the g-line....



Be the first one on your block to test her! L.O.L.


 

tiedye420

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O.K. back to the subject at hand..
Welcome mascobelix! Your knowledge and photo gallary will be quite a useful treat around here... Mine are just a bit smaller than that though! L.O.L>too early to tell.
These started slow like an ibl line- The ones on the right are the jams.
Next row of taller subjects is vision thai.
And everything to the left of that is my stinky f3...
The jamaicans are smaller than my f3, but doing well..
Also are pictures of snow.. Must share the beauty I have captured here...
Raco great to see ya... I am finally getting organized with a huge desk area I built recently.. It feels great to not have huge piles around me for once....
Screw the treatment I have at least five years left to get my gear done and out...before it "might" come back.. It won't.
If the gov gives me SSI I will resume treatments... If not I'll be losing my drivers licence and staying home this year. It's time to get things planted, and i'm mixing soils for spring. I also have tomato seeds to plant.. licopene kills cancer....
I think a huge garden of organic vegatables is in order this year, I'll be allright.
But maybe some LSD would be a much better combination with this hormone implant, than the radiation.But I havern't done any LSD in around 7-8 years..
Maybe i should, and let my body shed the cells more naturally.With a good 10 strip maybe I can spark my DNA to renew itself without the mutant cells attaching...
(told ya guys I was a hippie- ROFLMAO)
snow and sprout pics










 

Elevator Man

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TieDye - BTW, I should probably re-phrase 'hippy' to 'crusty', which is a more appropriate term for the modern British 'drop-out' - my friend certainly fits that bill...:)

The wintry scene looks lovely - I'm sure it's a pain for you, but I love the idea of all that life hiding under all that snow...:)

As for acid therapy - I suffer from cluster headache (13 years, every Fall for two months at a time) - I've had some success with shrooms in reducing pain, but never got to break the cycle until August last year. I started taking a small amount of acid every Saturday - like an eighth of a Hoffman blotter - in order to try and stop the cycle before it began at end of September. It worked. I haven't even had one cluster headache - usually would get two a day, guaranteed.

I'm still taking it every Saturday, though I'm well out of cycle now - it's just had such a tonic effect that it seemed worth carrying on - last dose this weekend. After that, I'll wait a few weeks, and then have my first big trip of the year - like two whole ones. So I guess I'm still a hippy too in reality...:)
 

tiedye420

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I have my high school diploma!
and A ROP (regional occupational program) certificate in nursery and landscape technology...pitosporum, myoporum, botanical name type stuff I had to learn like 300 different ones...commercial greenhouse construction, drip.. he he he...
I am maybe more of a degenerate than hippie though ! ROFLAtMySelf.
No i think the correct term is "hippie radical". It is a free radical of society sent to destroy govt mind control through media.
Yes it's strange to see snow and greenage so close, cannabis can be so fragile at times. I think my tropicals will do fine this year though.
The storm came in quick and melted away today.. It's just keeping me from mixing soils like I should be doing.
Glad the therapy works < My g-13 seems to give clusters when smoking it a bit too fast.. I always say she's telling us to slow down on her.
Maybe a dose would eliminate the clusters,and make for an excellent afternoon of smoking and BBQ...This gives me hope for A future therapy routine.BUT.
It's sad my other half is scared to death of it..Otherwise I might be trying to find some soon.Thinking of it regenertaes me anyways.. I guess im beyond acid.. I just
needed to remember that to heal myself. :)
 

tiedye420

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Well
I transplanted my JAM's into "kelloggs patio plus" yesterday...
It is close to my mix in content, forest compost as primary ingredient, peat moss later down the line...The patio plus has a bit of horticultural sand. It has a tendecy to drain well, and not cause problems when transplanting the root ball into a dissimilar soil at a later date....
Afghanis like it better than Foxfarm ocean forest even. The Patio plus is about half the price and organic...I'm using a lot of ammend by kellogs, and one yard of topsoil has been equally blended to my ammend/peat/perlite/steer manure mix...
then i took a bag of natures choics compost, and a bag of growmulch,& the remainder of the peat which was only a couple gallons worth, and spread a thin layer over my 10'x6' bed. Half is turned under, and then the jams got put in 6" containers on top of the soil bed... As soon as they are done with what soil they have- the bed will be ready...
I put about half of my stinkys directly into the fresh mix...Testing the mix with my strain only... I have x-tras. :)
I think the jams will be sexed, the females may get 33 gallon trashbags.
I am considering doing a "male room" with only males in flower.. All my males..
I am turning the thoughts of random pollen and misting before collecting.
Another idea is offsetting the males.. Only put one type male from veg to bud room every 3 weeks...
Do the jamaican males flower with age or photoperiod?

and in my initial observation..
The jams look nothing like any colombian I have grown at this point.
Nor do they resemble thai's i have grown in the past...
Mexican is not an option, unless some strange mexican indica dom..
But do not the indian sativas have fat leaves in the beginning?
anyways some of the fatness could be atmosphere...
there is a strange texture to the leaf however, kinda bumpy. But not the coarse bumpy kush type leaf.
these are tiny bumps, more like glandular... Like an orangepeel texture in drywall, or the texture of an orange- bumpy.
I'm not looking now but it seems like rounded serrations not sharp?
The pics when the sun is stronger today, will show them nice....
My mutant started the same time as the other seedlings is still requiring nursing.. But it's not in "intensive care" anymore..It was called "es-kunk" by my mexican friend... I call it "mexi chron" because it's a chronic sativa.
has a piney skunk thing going though... (NOT RKS BTW)
It has an obvious split at the first leaf node. Into two tops. equal in growth.
Damn I got a diploid.....
And i thought it was just a little old autoflower....
I'll try to get a shot of it soon. It's so small i'm waiting for it to grow a touch more...
and in regards to jam being related to thai..I have chocolate thai from vision going next to them... the row of 6 planters is thai. only 4 of the jams. stinky in the ground.. pic will be edited in in an hour or so.
meanwhile i'll be getting silly with the last of the AK i may ever grow...
kinda funny buzz though i might have to run her again, just not potent enough for a small yielder in my book.
 

tiedye420

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oh and slowest but healthiest in garden & 7 varieties planted with them...
definetly an old IBL whatever the case...
I'm sure they are same...Now to planet ganj and dig up pm's- BEFORE I FALL IN THE SHARKTANK.. oPPS ON THE CAPS BUT MAYBE I NEEDED TO VENT THAT EH!
damn trolls are screwin PG up.....
 

pescador

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Back from Jamaica!!! I have lots of info, but nothing too shocking. I will post a few pics and detailed stories in the coming days. Just to summarize....even in the most remote parts of JA will you find strains like purple skunk etc....though I was able to find what is likely some old school sativa in Bath St Thomas...which you would be interested has some of the largest sized seeds I have ever seen! The grower I met there was a rasta farmer that mentioned that his plants were very thin leaved and grew very tall, and when cut at the base after 1 harvest would re-grow into a huge tree. Most hybrids in JA are shorter. The buds looked brown and bad (good sign that it is a sativa!) and very airy compared to the denser hybrids that are more common. So I have 4 of those seeds plus a bunch of very good seeds from a mixed gene pool that contain some purple skunk which was obtained in the remote country right near the peak of the blue mountains. The high from this bud was very clear and very low anxiety....a slight happy high. The plant I saw from this batch was mostly sativa looking. So these two batches are the only seeds I thought were worthy of bringing back. More to come! Nice grow EM! My plants suffered badly during my absence.
 

Elevator Man

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Wahay! Good to have you back in one piece! And glsd you had a good time - my friend goes in ten days, and I'm so jealous. Though now he's seen my plant flowering properly, he's much more 'focused' on bringing back as many seeds as possible!

As for 'purple skunk' - interesting you mention that, as skunk is the nearest smell I can approximate as the 'odd' smell in this Jamaican, and it certainly turns purple - lilac right now, and getting darker by the day. The buds are a 'pineapple' shape - very fat and chunky, but distinct - they don't run like a sativa, but the calyxes are huge - easily the biggest in the growroom at the moment - the green Flo may overtake it next week, but I'm not sure. I would guess it has maybe 10-14 days left max.

And resin coverage, as before, is ridiculous - new pics very soon, I promise - maybe tonight.
 

tiedye420

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Wow thats fantastic guys...
after everybody here from coast to coast figting over a dead skunk 2 days.
I find you guys talking about it with one love... That's why we come. to share not fight. Jah bless and christ also, he watches me close...
Anyways I'm thinking these pictures are too small, but soon I'll get some closeups..
The JRH ,i'm considering preserving cuts until i find more of them...
vision's chocolate thai
 
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Elevator Man

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TieDye - I try and only read those threads rather than fighting in them - they are hilarious though...:)

As for the skunks, well, we're in the (un)fortunate position of not having them in the UK! But the burning pencil-eraser trick I have to try - for those puzzled, apparently burning a pencil eraser will give a close approximation to a skunk spray...

This Ja should be done in about ten days I reckon - then we'll see what she's really capable of. I'm excited about the potential for crossing with Flo - I reckon there are some much more sativa phenos buried in this beauty, and I am to extract them! :chin:
 

tiedye420

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Don't have much faith in the eraser trick myself.. The g-13 seedline i have smells more like an eraser.. It's just a burning rubber smell...the eraser trick.
However there is a type of cabbage named after it..
yeah buddy I hear skunk cabbage smells just like a skunk..
could be something to do with the name eh!
And well, I'm used to dessention among the ranks and rumor mongers.
I been running the g-13 seedline for 2 years. AS far as I know I am the only "keeper" of the true g-13 seedline... which as you know the haters say does not exist...
wanna see some funny stuff go read the g-13 original thread in reefermans canna cafe....It's hell- they confused the study with the ranting about clone this and clone that. I got seeds you dummies not clones..After two years of battling for her truths, I'm just a little crazy and tired of the mongers.
Now I go ballistic ,if someone tries to pull wool over the communities eyes.
anyways I tried to post earlier, a simple post of having coffee and a good morning.
So good morning to you across the pond, I have to get my tiedye gear rolling I need to send some shirts to people over there- it's been way too long since i fell away from tiedying.. Maybe things go better for me soon and I'll be able to get some dye on some fabric. This is what I plan for income, but somehow i need a start with things again...
maybe I can trade springbud for shirts legally eh! If i dont sell it, but trade for supplies with some- it is supreme court legal like..
It is legal to compensate expenses for medical users, just not clear as to how to do it....
The jamaicans have this curled under and around look,
is this by chance the claw? L.O.L>see I know from this thread already mine is authentic... thanks you guys for the positive identity on my seedlings.
I trusted my source, but people still do not know what to think of me and my judgement. I make radical claims at times...
No body here has faith in someone discerning mid grade.
But D.J. short has essays describing anything I have not tried myself from down south...
MY observations is
The jamaicans I have are decended from india.
Also my mutant diploid is a mexican indica.. a little early to tell, but it might be the citrus indica I have had before from mexico....Not surprising as the brick was like greenbud... stuck together loosely with resins...tasted like chronic...
Now that I have a diploid from them I may have to plant 1/2 of my breeder pack backups.. I only planted 12 and got one up.. Might need to use all 50...
ANYWAYS this mexican indica also has a claw look to it, but also the tops get heavy and fat blades make her look like a palm tree.
or at least at this stage it looks more like the citrus i have grown..
because it's diploid with a split at the first node. Very much like a date palm in miniature...
Diploid mutations seem to root really heavy, for like a couple weeks.
then they begin to grow a little...Might make for good drought tolerance..
I think native peoples knew this who grew strains which have a high diploid rate. Like DJ shorts says some mutations are benificial and should be included...
The smallest jamaican looks a tiny bit mutated..
I do not ever use triploid mutations, the life/death rate on those is way low.
I have had dozens and they always die before getting into a good veg outdoors.Too weak of a mutation was not meant to survive...
Mostly diploid and sport mutations is what i have and use....
I'm hoping the little one is a mutated female..
A small pool is interesting to include mutants into, maybe i can devise a hardier version to mix other pure jams with later.The cold harsh sierra nevadas will bring stuff out of the jams they did not even know was in em still.
I am at 2700 feet, anyone know which elevation blue mountain is?
 

pescador

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So here are some pics of what I say up near the summit of the blue mountains in St Thomas. We stayed at this very nice humble guest house near the peak run by this rasta named Jah B and his family. He is one of the nicest and wisest man I have ever encountered. He quit smoking ganja a while ago for health reasons and does not grow it himself. He grows organic coffee and many fruits and vegetables. Luckily, I was still able to find a small group of plants and obtained weed from that gower who grows on a personal scale (I got the sense that most of the commercial grow ops are in the west of the island, and weed from there travels throughout jamaica).





















As you can see, even within this small batch, there is considerable variation in leaf structure. The plant on the far upper right...though sativa looking, had some pink/purple hairs. As mentioned before, purple skunk indica is a strain found in jamaica these days, and there could be some of that in here, but as people have said earlier on this forum, no one really spends time keeping strains pure or keeping track of what pollinated what. This is outdoor wild growing after all, and pollen travels. This guy even had a male hanging around. Most have a hands off..."let nature do its thing" attitude with ganja. The high from the weed that I got off this nice guy was, like I said, very clear headed and allowed one to think perfectly. It also elevated ones mood a bit, but not to the point of forcing an uncontrollable silly grin. It smelled like fresh flowery herb that could pass for coffeshop weed, not grassy smelling brick weed. I have about 20 seeds from this weed, and for all I know, the plants will look nothing like this batch. I have to go now but I will post some more later. Cheers!
 
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Elevator Man

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The bud structure of those looks very similar to mine, with the large calyxes but the leaves look more like the 'traditional' pheno we've been talking about.

I just chopped a lower bud off for sampling, and the calyxes are alarmingly big - I've never seen anything like this before - like a pineapple in shape, and totally jammed with resin. Whatever this is, it's a good one, and I think the next generation could be very interesting.

Like TyeDye mentioned - the Mexican indica has the claw shape and big fat buds - are they purple by any chance? It's hard to tell from the photos...
 

pescador

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I should also state that he said he had purple skunk, but I got the sense that that is what everyone calls purple strains in general...again as names are not big. Also, these buds that you see here are all heavily seeded. The pink does not show up in the pic unfortunitally. The buds here did have a bit of a skunky smell to them.
 
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