Jamaican Strain Identification?

[tiedye420]

Nice pic raco!
Looks like I pulled the jamaican male right on time! I noticed a few seeds in the flowers of the one next to him. The others were far enough away to not get pollenated.
I harvested plenty of pollen from the male, to selective breed to the females.
Three females and one male, Which i smoked and he is very potent...
I'll mix up the seeds from all three females. Make do with what you got right?
Anyways, the picture looks a lot like what i have, the side branches like to grow up alongside the main branches almost. Nice crowning for a sativa...
Seem to be indian sativa in origin IMHO....
Or even an african.. There is an oily, anise smell to them which could indicate certain afriican sativas...
Whatever the case, My donor stated these were kept going pure over 20 years..
My donors always hook me up with the "real deal" strains...I hoped for more parents on the first run of these jamaicans, as you cannot get a good jamaican red hair on blue mountain anymore.. They all have a good slug of some crazy indica, or worse hybrid- anymore.
Anyways mine are in flower now...I'll have pics up in a week or so...

 

[Syd]

Some pics from my digital collection. I don't remember the site where I found'em.






















May I anticipate your questions?

-Do Jamaicans grow White Widows?
-Dunno

-Do they seem WWs to you?
-Not so much

 

[kNo]

hello everyone , syd nice buds in those pics.....
Now my Jamaica Blue Montain has 60 days under mi HPS. A few days ago I saw some male flowers (with no pollen).....just before y cut the top...she was getting too tall so that was the best choice, it was too strong to curve it.
At this moment it's appearing some glow and buds are getting fat, really fat.




I think this baby will be ready for cut in 20 more days......
see you then.

 

[Elevator Man]

Wow - that one really is special - fantastic! I saw a friend the other day who took a few cuts of the original plant that started this thread, and he's halfway through flowering them now. They look different to my plant due to lower light levels - they're expressing a more sativa growth structure like that one above - he kindly said I can photograph them before he cuts them in a few weeks, so I'll post some when he does.

 

[tiedye420]

My jamaicans are flowering nicely!
Actually they are the fastest in the group out of 24 strains, I was quite surprised to be perfectly honest... And I made a few beans to keep her going, plus have a bit of pollen to use as well...
They are exhibiting the classic crowning style phenotype, where the lateral branches seem to compete with the main cola..
I'll get some pics up here sooner or later, lots to do these days...
The jamaicans have been flowering the entire month of august, and may finish by late sept or early oct....I'm anxious as heck.. The smells from these girls are really fruity/floral/ with a sweet skunky smell underlying..
Definetly a keeper.

 

[kNo]

Hello friends, here to show how's going my JBM......she has 73 dyas under mi hps.....i think harvest day is arriving.....











Good luck for everyone.

 

[guest123]

I know many breeder in JA are trying to get rid of the short flowering-time phenos. Since they are on a near 12/12 schedule year round, many indica hybrids will not vedge, resulting in much lower yeilds per plant than in the past. This has created many problems for the poor growers there. Many are looking to get back to the longer flowering sativas of the past simply to increase the yeild and decrease the amount of work put in per crop. See Motaco's excellent first posts (page 1 ) on the ultimate sativa thread in the breeder's forum http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=36181

I will show you a pic of my JA plant in a bit! You will see that we have near twins!

hey pescador ,,, i think it would be silly for those breeders to rid themselves of earlier strains ,, those guys are growing the herb for cash , and shorter flowering strains can give them an extra crop a year ,, or more ...
they simply need to learn the best time to grow them and how best to grow them ...
i too live at the same latitude , im well aware of how the herb reacts to the daylenghts ....
if they go back to that sativa , its back to one crop a year mostly ....

 

[tiedye420]

jamaican red hair

jamaican red hair

Here are some pictures of my jamaicans flowering outdoor.

 

[Elevator Man]

Wow Tiedye420 - beautiful plants - very dark and dangerous looking!

My friend's grow of the plant that started this thread is almost done, so I'll try and get some pics in the next week and post them up. They're double the size that mine was...

 

[tiedye420]

Thanks elevator man..
Once a month I fertilize the soil with boxed 4-4-4 ammendments..
Once a week during veg they get fertilized water, with 5-1-1 fish emulshion.
Now they get jamaican guano, budswell, ect., tea with evey watering- and mollasses is going to finish them off....
It's tough to grow multiple strains outside, especially over 20 at a time..Some of our plants are not doing as well, like the g-13 could really have used a lot more nitrogen...
I think overall my crop is very healthy, and the jamaicans some of the healthiest..
thanks fer noticing...

 

[Elevator Man]

I just took a few pics tonight of my friend's crop of the strain that started this thread - he's about a week from the chop - very impressive under 2 X 250s, and much bigger than mine were.

I'm starting to think that this is a cross between a native Jamaican sativa, and a strong indica like Deep Chunk or similar - whether deliberate or accidental I don't know, but it's very unusual. Can't wait to see what the cross of this and Flo results is...

Will post the pics asap...

 

[Elevator Man]

OK - here's the new pics of my friend's plants - same strain as the first page - these are about a week from the chop (which will be eight) - notice the outrageous resin production, just like mine. The purpling is just beginning, and they smell identical to mine - sweet, dusty and cheesy.

The only real difference being he's grown these using hydro, and weaker lights, so they're both taller and heavier than mine - but he's promised me a piece for giving him the cuts, so I don't mind...

 

[Guest]

nice plants....but kNo man WOW DUDE!!!!!!

WELCOME and what do you have there a MONSTER!!
Gebugus jamacamus tell us morrrrrrrrrre.........
GOOD JOB GROWING THEM FOLKS!!!

 

[kNo]

txs Lougrew!, i just smoke a little bit of that beatiful plant ................A M A Z I N G....y cut some clones and 1 of them is going right now under mi hps ....it is 8 cms tall (the other plant y put into the flowering room with 25 cms, during the first 7 weeks she grows like a monster)......I will let you now guys how's going that......

Jah Bless for everyone......

 

[pescador]

hey pescador ,,, i think it would be silly for those breeders to rid themselves of earlier strains ,, those guys are growing the herb for cash , and shorter flowering strains can give them an extra crop a year ,, or more ...
they simply need to learn the best time to grow them and how best to grow them ...
i too live at the same latitude , im well aware of how the herb reacts to the daylenghts ....
if they go back to that sativa , its back to one crop a year mostly ....

Hi Wallyduck,

I understand your point, but here is my counter arguments:

A sativa can produce twice per year. When I was in Bath St Thomas (the non touristy part of JA and an area that is usually upwind from the prevailing winds), a rasta that was was somewhat familiar with the sativa indica difference told me that his strain was a thin leaf. He said a single plant has 2 harvests, one in December/January and the other in the early summer. He said in December, the plant is cut down near the base, but will regrow really tall by the summer. The bud he had was dark and very low density, reminiscent of a pure sativa.

Indicas will not go through a veg stage, and will therefore produce much less per plant in that climate. They are also more sensitive to drought so they require much more maintenance.

Cannabis evolved to produce the most (flowers-seeds) for the climate it was in. Sativas evolved in this manner for the tropics, and indicas for more the sub tropics/colder climates. Jamaica, being in the tropics, is best suited for sativa if left up to nature.

 

[NorCalChron]

cool story pescador. It reminds us how awesome cannabis is at adapting to climates so you can grow it virtually anywhere with the proper genetics and love.

Excellent buds Elevator Man, would love to taste some of that

 

[Elevator Man]

Here's a few shots of a dried, unmanicured bud from the crop above - note the outrageous resin production. My friend refused to trim it any more, claiming that the resin is so widespread he can't be bothered - he's not selling any, so, I can understand that.

Many of the resin glands however are non-glandular trichomes - i.e. no bulbous head. But they still appear to be filled with resin, and do turn from clear through cloudy to amber. I assume they are resinous, as the weed is incredibly potent. I haven't seen many strains do this - Deep Chunk and OG Kush come to mind in terms of frostiness. He reckons it's a White Widow hybrid, but it doesn't look much lik that, as we've already established.

So - check 'em out:

 

[guest123]

Hi Wallyduck,

I understand your point, but here is my counter arguments:

A sativa can produce twice per year. When I was in Bath St Thomas (the non touristy part of JA and an area that is usually upwind from the prevailing winds), a rasta that was was somewhat familiar with the sativa indica difference told me that his strain was a thin leaf. He said a single plant has 2 harvests, one in December/January and the other in the early summer. He said in December, the plant is cut down near the base, but will regrow really tall by the summer. The bud he had was dark and very low density, reminiscent of a pure sativa.

Indicas will not go through a veg stage, and will therefore produce much less per plant in that climate. They are also more sensitive to drought so they require much more maintenance.

Cannabis evolved to produce the most (flowers-seeds) for the climate it was in. Sativas evolved in this manner for the tropics, and indicas for more the sub tropics/colder climates. Jamaica, being in the tropics, is best suited for sativa if left up to nature.

yes i see your point , but somethings are a little contradictory , when u say a sativa can produce twice a year u are correct , and they will , but they are some of the earlier ones ...
typically a tropical sativa as i have seen will attempt to flower when the light hours are low , its off season if u will , some can produce long enough for some reasonable bud aswell ,, but normally they will reveg before the bud is ripe and tight .. it is not commercially viable for 2 times a year really ...
not all early strains are pure indica either ,, i could see the jamaicans sucessfully grow c99 without any probs ... i know i do in a very similar part of the tropics ...
all im saying is with some study im sure they would come to the same conclusion as me , 2 crops is quite viable a year ,, the longer crop being tropical sativa as the earlier strains probably wont handle the rain in the wet season ,, they dont here ....
id best add a picture of what i am talking about ... this is an early strain ,, same latitude as jamaica but south and in the shorter hour time of year , they could do exactly the same ...

 

[tiedye420]

Well I Took my jamaicans down about a week or so early..Unavoidable actually. crop rippers are after my garden. If something gets "in the window" it's definetly getting harvested...
Bummer because the old school jamaican sativa is trippy when it matures a bit more...
But my friends are all "in the know" as to why I been spouting praises on my jamaicans.....
The crop ripper is our landlords grandson.. We got this info for sure last night.. I been afraid to get online because "rippers may be watching me online". LOts of paranoid thoughts run through the mind when rippers are about..
So as to wally and pescador (hola pescador ) and the prior conversation.....
I was looking at the growth of the old school jams, a lot of lateral buds which matured as well as the top cola. But there was a lot of undergrowth that would have done nicely with a second cropping method....
I found it interesting and if not for the rippers I may have second cropped her...

 

[pescador]

Cheers Norcalcron. Also, congrats EM on the beautiful grows.

Wallyduck,

Check out these snips from a very fine post by motaco at the beginning of the revival of the ultimate sativa thread:


http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=36181


"As I said, IMHO native ganja was probably acclimated regional strains as well as a few imported ones. When you flower sativas from seed they grow one main cola, and minimal side branching. Jamaicas grow climate causes this to happen naturally. Plants flower at or almost immediately after sprouting. So its no surprise acclimated jamaican ganja looks like this. Pictures of jamaican patches often look like a little outdoor SOG. Jamaican ganja is bred with happiness in mind, much more than power. Used to ease labor and as Marley said "reveal you to yourself" you can tell spirituality played a part in breeding. Many jamaican ganja strains are racy, probably to help give energy to a very hard working people, as well as euphoric and philosophical in nature. Old timer rastas and growers are not very big on names but do distinguish between strains. Stony weed was referred to as Kali herb (goddess of destruction), and other terms such as "lambs bread or breath depending who you ask" were also common terms.




However today native Jamaicans are harder and harder to find. Towards the end of the 80's visitors thinking they were doing a good thing brought over dutch genes which were ill suited to Jamaican life. Never the less since they stay short and are harder to see from helicopters, and finish so quick tiny indicas yielding a few grams to an ounce makes up the mainstay of jamaican ganja today.

The nations growers having somewhat simple breeding techniques accidental open pollination spread and the result ended up being a wide variety of hybrids of native ganja with dutch genes which all in all lowered yield. Jamaicans were used to 90-120 day sativas that grew tall, were heat and pest resistant, and didn't need much ferts, and yielded 1-4 ounces a piece. Todays average jam ganja grows between 2-4ft, and flowers for about 70 days, and yields about 1/2-2 ounces. They are much more prone to mold, and require more tending. Jamaicans are also more fond of euphoric highs, and they were given more opiate type highs. Wiser growers began dropping plants with more evident indica genes in them and are headed back in the right direction with sativas more suited to where they live. Many growers plea for tourists to bring "old world thin leafs" back to them. African, south american, etc. Really just any good sativas, they don't care if its kali mist of good mexican bagseed. Aside from a few dutch genes they speak highly of, such as skunk, purple skunk, and bubblegum they usually speak in a negative way about the genes they were brought. Common dutch genes they received include several repeating names, such as ice, afghani, northern lights, and purple star are common in gardens."