jamaican "lambsbread"

[BC LONE WOLF]

Man that's just Jamaica. Especially around the Westmoreland Parish, and most especially Negril. Unless you have a real friend there who knows weed, it's next to impossible to get straight answers. Once you've established some relationships, it gets a bit better, if those relationships are carefully selected and maintained with manners and respect. But even then, it's Jamaica. Have to pack your own knowledge, and be discerning.

I have a couple friends there. One who now lives here, he asked me to go down with him this January, but I'm not sure if I can get away that long. Plus it's country country, a weh out deh so. No pipe water. Bucket showers... I ain't fancy, but that might be too much for me. Then again, up in those hills is where you'll find the older lines.

The more humble they are, the less lies they selling, if they sell. Most of the times they are humble enough to share the goods, just pride of having something recognizable as good is enough pay.

That’s my take on most of the locals anywhere. South east Asia same vibes.

 

[Wolverine97]

The more humble they are, the less lies they selling, if they sell. Most of the times they are humble enough to share the goods, just pride of having something recognizable as good is enough pay.

That’s my take on most of the locals anywhere. South east Asia same vibes.

I agree, definitely.

 

[Wwbsox]

If you want Jamaican, check out Atao Genetics. Roms. He's on here. Super good dude, and the line he has has been worked for a long time. Sativa/NLD types in general, are his thing.

Thanks Wolverine, Can’t wait to get these going. Ordered some Caribbean Dream, also.

 

[Eltitoguay]

The more humble they are, the less lies they selling, if they sell. Most of the times they are humble enough to share the goods, just pride of having something recognizable as good is enough pay.

"-What is your name, do you come from far away?
You and I need to talk
If you're looking for some ganja
I'm the one you can trust

If the fortune of man is
A friend anywhere,
Me with my eyes closed
I see at the bottom of the sea"-

And looked at me like a pirate
Disguising
Pretending to miscalculate...,
Because he never stopped to cast
The accounts,
Even though he had to settle
He had to settle...

He spends the afternoon on the sand
And in a sigh it's gone
The sun that sets the jungle on fire
Then it goes into the sea

And Negril whole burning
Jungle, sand, and sky is...
..That looks like a flag
Of rastaman...

And evaporates from the waters the
Black Shadow,
His eyes shine in the darkness,
And proclaiming the Night goes down the
Road :
"From Lucea to Negril
Who wants to take me?!-"

From the devil's hut the smoke
Is beginning to billow
Smells like burning garbage
Something won't throw away

And in there in the kitchen
The boiling blood is boiling
There's not a bad thorn left
For dinner...

...But at midnight the Club is open
Of the Black Star
Where there's an international atmosphere
And a (Hispanic) black man talking to no one
Said this way:
"¡Soy el terror del raggamuffin...,
me llaman El General!"

...I'm going to Negril...

-"What is your name?!
Where do you come from?!
...You and I need to talk...
...If you are looking for something from (GANJA!),
you can trust me..."-

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Soy el terror del raggamuffin me llaman el General.
Ta buena la rola tío.

 

[CharlesU Farley]

You have never heard of ethiopian zion coptic church? A criminals under clothes of Rasta....

I know this is an old thread, at least the part that I'm responding to now, because I'm doing research on the Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church, and your quote is total and complete fucking bullshit. From someone who actually worked with them and knew what they were doing, including their ultimate goal, your comment is so _ignorant_ I shouldn't even be responding to it. But to set the record straight, for those lurkers who may be viewing this in the future.

From my website:

"Because of my association and friendship with those who did import, I had access to some of the best quality, non-compressed, rapidly transported cannabis available in Miami during the late 60’s and 70’s. I introduced a couple of Italians and a Jewish guy to some surfers, who knew the Cubans, who brought it in for the Coptics and a very friendly relationship developed. They kept Bayside and Howard Beach supplied for quite a while..."

If you actually dealt with them, they were _so_ spiritual and _introduced_ sensimillia to South Florida, and then the rest of the East Coast. In the late '60s and early '70s, when everybody else thought seeded Colombian gold was the best, the Coptics developed what _really_ was the best.

Ever heard of Gainesville Green?

Maybe a Coptic humiliated you back in the day, I don't know what your bias is against them is, but they were so fucking very far from a criminal organization.

Back then, I was very familiar with _real_, honest to God, fucking criminal organizations in Miami.

The Coptics in Jamaica were _not_ that.

 

[willydread]

No this is an old thread, doing research on the Ethiopians on Coptic Church, and your quote above is total and complete fucking bullshit.

Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church, in Miami.
Not the Coptic Ortodox Church in Ethiopia...

Search EZCC & brother love (or luv), mister....

 

[willydread]

Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[CharlesU Farley]

Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church, in Miami.
Not the Coptic Ortodox Church in Ethiopia...

Search EZCC & brother love (or luv), mister....

Please, you didn't deal with them like I did and I don't have to search anything about them. I was there.

 

[willydread]

Please, you didn't deal with them like I did and I don't have to search anything about them. I was there.

I don't understand, shouldn't I have my opinion? If you were around, you know things better than me....

 

[willydread]

Again, I wasn't talking about the Ethiopian Coptic Orthodox Church, that's something else...
But I guess you know that...

 

[Normannen]

(read with copious amounts of sarcasm) So hard to grow tropical sativas... Hard for my ocd, hard for my need to control everything, hard for my ego that is convinced that without all the scaramantic superstition of stuffing its pots with all the commercial gimmicks the industry hypnotizes the general public with, I won't be able to live up to the hype of becoming someone vicariously through a plant, which hopefully one day I'll develop into a brand and make money from simply by airing my corn hole and be like one of those idiots the media overglorifies to sell more product.

Did that just about cover it?
Cause I use tap water to water it.

 

[Wwbsox]

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(read with copious amounts of sarcasm) So hard to grow tropical sativas... Hard for my ocd, hard for my need to control everything, hard for my ego that is convinced that without all the scaramantic superstition of stuffing its pots with all the commercial gimmicks the industry hypnotizes the general public with, I won't be able to live up to the hype of becoming someone vicariously through a plant, which hopefully one day I'll develop into a brand and make money from simply by airing my corn hole and be like one of those idiots the media overglorifies to sell more product.

Did that just about cover it?
Cause I use tap water to water it.

Hi Norm.

I know you were only being sarcastic but I have read many threads on here where people are spewing that exact thing, some even doing their best to discourage others from growing some of the best bud I have ever experienced. Why do some people think it is so hard to grow?

Flowering time: Yes, it is true that there is a longer flowering time (if you’ve got good genetics), but indoors at least, a much shorter veg time. Many people growing these start them on 12/12 (or 11/13) at seedling stage. So that argument doesn’t make sense to me. Also, I’m not running lights 18 or more hours a day. Less electricity = less cost.

Massive stretch: This stretching can cause buds that are smaller, airy and yields can be lower. I say “can” because, I’ve seen some JLB on this thread that are massive and probably produce with the best of them. I understand the fascination with thick, compact colas yielding massive amounts, been there, done that. But for me, the amount of weed is not nearly as important as the effect. Additionally, the stretch and “airy” buds are one of the reasons that this plant can be so resistant to mold or bud rot.

Yes, there can be a lot of training involved to keep their size down. In my experience, SCROG is not a difficult thing to do. And done properly, you can completely fill a grow tent with a fairly even canopy.

I keep my sativas in smaller pots to help control size. Meaning less soil (for those of us that grow in soil). Also, less expense.

Many of these true sativa strains do not like a lot of nutrients. Some require very little and if your soil is right, maybe just a little toward the end. Less time worrying about feeding them, mixing nutes, which again = less expense.

I am NOT saying that growing JLB is easy. Just not as bad as some are making it out to be. Yes, there is work involved, but... anything worth doing is worth doing well, and... you only get out of it what you put into it, etc, etc. Damn, now I’m talking like my dad used to! RIP

Of course most of y'all on this thread already know all of what I said, so please, disregard.

Peace

 

[Normannen]

Hi Norm.

I know you were only being sarcastic but I have read many threads on here where people are spewing that exact thing, some even doing their best to discourage others from growing some of the best bud I have ever experienced. Why do some people think it is so hard to grow?

Flowering time: Yes, it is true that there is a longer flowering time (if you’ve got good genetics), but indoors at least, a much shorter veg time. Many people growing these start them on 12/12 (or 11/13) at seedling stage. So that argument doesn’t make sense to me. Also, I’m not running lights 18 or more hours a day. Less electricity = less cost.

Massive stretch: This stretching can cause buds that are smaller, airy and yields can be lower. I say “can” because, I’ve seen some JLB on this thread that are massive and probably produce with the best of them. I understand the fascination with thick, compact colas yielding massive amounts, been there, done that. But for me, the amount of weed is not nearly as important as the effect. Additionally, the stretch and “airy” buds are one of the reasons that this plant can be so resistant to mold or bud rot.

Yes, there can be a lot of training involved to keep their size down. In my experience, SCROG is not a difficult thing to do. And done properly, you can completely fill a grow tent with a fairly even canopy.

I keep my sativas in smaller pots to help control size. Meaning less soil (for those of us that grow in soil). Also, less expense.

Many of these true sativa strains do not like a lot of nutrients. Some require very little and if your soil is right, maybe just a little toward the end. Less time worrying about feeding them, mixing nutes, which again = less expense.

I am NOT saying that growing JLB is easy. Just not as bad as some are making it out to be. Yes, there is work involved, but... anything worth doing is worth doing well, and... you you only get out of it what you put into it, etc, etc. Damn, now I’m talking like my dad used to! RIP

Of course most of y'all on this thread already know all of what I said, so please, disregard.

Peace

I was also being self ironic, I'm guilty as charged of having been influenced. I mean. It's not all wrong, certain strains have been adapted to the commercial lifestyle and for the average pothead, it's the easy way to grow. But it takes some serious growing to move out of that way of thinking. And lots of icmag reading ;p.
I am also guilty of taking spartan conditioning a bit too literally with my plants, but I have time and curiosity to see and experiment in what ways does the plant develop and react outside of the "tried and true" bud for the bucks we're being bombarded by since the 90s.

 

[Wwbsox]

I was also being self ironic, I'm guilty as charged of having been influenced. I mean. It's not all wrong, certain strains have been adapted to the commercial lifestyle and for the average pothead, it's the easy way to grow. But it takes some serious growing to move out of that way of thinking. And lots of icmag reading ;p.
I am also guilty of taking spartan conditioning a bit too literally with my plants, but I have time and curiosity to see and experiment in what ways does the plant develop and react outside of the "tried and true" bud for the bucks we're being bombarded by since the 90s.

Guilty, I use Advance nutrients, enough said.

 

[Normannen]

Guilty, I use Advance nutrients, enough said.

I have yet to finish the General hydroponics N+micro and P/K boost^^' but they are handy to correct small deficiencies from time to time, ecept that with the little use I have for them no, it's taking me forever to finish them. and these are the last two bottles from a double 3 deal I got from a local headshop years ago...probably 10 by now. but yeah, since I blast the plants with blue light they don't stretch as much, the issue here, I think, stems from the fact that we are biased towards HPS like spectra and we add a lot of red to our lights. Also if I'm not wrong someone on some thread on some forum i don't entirely recall, said that HPS is for indicas and MH is for sativas, as MH emits more blue light and stops them from stretching too much indoors.
if I recall correctly and I wasn't incepted by me of the past to sound cool on this thread.

...Anyways...

TLDR:

Give them blue, they stretch a lot less.

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Jamaican x filipino.

The lights makes them look more yellow than they actually are, more lime green some of the oldest big fans are fading.

The tuff thing to dial with sativas under lights I find it is the light flux, radiant flux and spectrums.

Mango biche x 60s lambs bread.

This one really slower than the rest, taking lots of time. Something to expect out of this line. The leaf pattern has been getting narrow as the pheno progresses with flower expressions.

 

[Wwbsox]

it's taking me forever to finish them.

AN is the same way, If (like me) you are doing smaller grows in soil, nutes last forever

if I'm not wrong someone on some thread on some forum i don't entirely recall, said that HPS is for indicas and MH is for sativas, as MH emits more blue light and stops them from stretching too much indoors.

I read that same thread, somewhere. Way too much reading to even try to recall where. I haven't grown indoors for over a decade but always had great success with HPS. Now I am switching it up. Flowering under full spectrum LED lights for the first time. I'm sure there is a learning curve, but growing is one thing that I always love learning more about.

 

[Wwbsox]

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(read with copious amounts of sarcasm) So hard to grow tropical sativas... Hard for my ocd, hard for my need to control everything, hard for my ego that is convinced that without all the scaramantic superstition of stuffing its pots with all the commercial gimmicks the industry hypnotizes the general public with, I won't be able to live up to the hype of becoming someone vicariously through a plant, which hopefully one day I'll develop into a brand and make money from simply by airing my corn hole and be like one of those idiots the media overglorifies to sell more product.

Did that just about cover it?
Cause I use tap water to water it.

I forgot to add. Thank you, Norm for getting this thread back on track. Didn't know anything about the EZCC before yesterday and care less today. Let's talk JLB growing!

 

[Wwbsox]

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Jamaican x filipino.

The lights makes them look more yellow than they actually are, more lime green some of the oldest big fans are fading.

The tuff thing to dial with sativas under lights I find it is the light flux, radiant flux and spectrums.

Mango biche x 60s lambs bread.
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This one really slower than the rest, taking lots of time. Something to expect out of this line. The leaf pattern has been getting narrow as the pheno progresses with flower expressions.

BC.
Great pictures. This is what I am hoping for. Roms' JLB seeds should be here by the end of the week. Can't wait to get them going. Thinking of starting them indoors and force flowering outside starting in the spring. Hoping to give them enough time to finish at 42 N.