jamaican "lambsbread"

[Wolverine97]

I do apprecite the efforts of anyone trying to preserve a specific line, so my respects to yall and the collective.

I started Swami beans gifted to me by a friend, when you look at Swami site absolute no description at all, thats a big red flag for me. What I have is not a pure LB, but he does have a pure 60's LB for sale at 200$.

If in fact there is a LB "landrace" (specific genetics grown over decades in a same geographical position), why is there no specific location in Jamaica where the LB comes from? and if there is please educate me.

Reading what's out there Blue mountain is West of Jamaica. Rastas are all over the Island and grow weed anywhere...
If you smoked ganja with rasta they mostly refer to it as Jamaican. Lambs bread seems like a trademark more than mitical/biblical genetics. Like HAZE is a trademark or Thai...

From genetics point of view, any seeds brought by african slaves to the Caribe must have adapted to the enviroment fairly well. LB no exceptions. Can LB be African genetics adapted to Jamaica... and since no one knows for a fact where in Africa the first seed came from to the Americas then, yeah I can see Lambs bread being a strain/genetics of its own.

My interpretation of why the 60's line is so important, could well be right before the explosion of Thai genetics coming to America, the haze revolution, the skunk and the Colombian genetics taking over, and obviously the hybridisation of lots of pure varieties coming from every where.

All the Jamacian cultivars I have grown, do foxtails, have purple stems, smell fruity and have the uplifting energy of a sativa.

I have to wait and see what the flowers look like on the Mango Biche/60s Lambs bread I have going. The female and 2 males I have share same look/phenotraits purple stems, 5-7 leaflets, medium height, chandelier like side branching, and taking long long to flower.

Im following this thread for information purposes and to compare what everyone is offering here refered to as Lambs bread.

One thing is for sure Jamaican ganja is amazing. Working with Jamaican genetics is always a challange, if you grown one you know.

These are the seedlings I have from Lamb's Breath Seeds. Again, I am no expert, but I am also not an idiot. Thinking of just throwing these out and starting over. Thoughts, anyone?
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Where did you get this from? Swami? Surely they can't be his "60's Lamb's bread"?
I don't know that I'd throw them away, but I'd at least revise my expectations if I were you. Those definitely are not any type of nld, though they may hail from Jamaica. As I'm sure you know, most things grown in Jamaica these days are hybrids, grown for a quick flower cycle, to appease the tourist market.

 

[Rgd]

A lot of LST and maybe some HST, and even more patience

and 10 /14 hrs light /dark

 

[Wwbsox]

Where did you get this from? Swami? Surely they can't be his "60's Lamb's bread"?
I don't know that I'd throw them away, but I'd at least revise my expectations if I were you. Those definitely are not any type of nld, though they may hail from Jamaica. As I'm sure you know, most things grown in Jamaica these days are hybrids, grown for a quick flower cycle, to appease the tourist market.

The seeds came from lambsbreathseeds dot com.

Unfortunately, grow space is limited during the winter and I really want to focus on a true sativa. If it was spring, I might just plant them outside and see what they did.

 

[Wwbsox]

Yup, yup. I know exactly how they crossed this with a Jamaican:
They took the seeds.
They grabbed a travel agency pamphlet
Opened on the Jamaican resort
Placed the seeds on it over night.
Dei be speaking patoi like dey born in Kingston mon!
Otherwise they look very Afghan mixed...

I would say, definitely a hybrid. Came from the island in 2018, long after hybridization started. Very skunky smelling, too.

 

[Normannen]

I would say, definitely a hybrid. Came from the island in 2018, long after hybridization started. Very skunky smelling, too.

sorry, I tend to bring my jest into heavy hyperbole (i blame hyperborea) but yes, it sounds likely that it is a recent mix of genetics.

 

[Marcus67]

Some bad news from my uncle who lived in Jamaican in the 80s :
"Hi Marcus
My history about Jamaican collie weed
Keka and I we left the island in 89
I took some seeds to Spain and grow them on her terrace. As we have a good climate we had every year a small crop. In 1994 we moved to the country and continued to grow weed
Some years ago they thief my weed as it was just ready, so next years I had to take it out off the earth and transplanted them in big flowerpots and had to hide them in my sunroom
So it was not the same, the seeds are much weaker. As I put my weed always with a good amount off seeds , on vacuuming bags . This year it was very hot and I couldn’t take care, so I will do my best for 2024 to obtain a good quality but I am a little skeptical because the seeds are not so strong anymore.
The nowadays weed quality is very strong (skunk etc) I can’t smoke it and I don’t like the effects
Hopefully you understand my English writing , but anytime we should have a talk
Lots of love from us and to your family hopefully we learn to know them soon
One love"

He still has some seeds but they are a bit old now. He has not been aware of how rare this old landrace is even on the island so I will help him revive things hopefully. He was reproducing using the hermies as well as the buds were perfectly lightly seeded for him (to give him seeds for the next run as well as to help them finish in December in Spain.

 

[Normannen]

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[BC LONE WOLF]

Where did you get this from? Swami? Surely they can't be his "60's Lamb's bread"?
I don't know that I'd throw them away, but I'd at least revise my expectations if I were you. Those definitely are not any type of nld, though they may hail from Jamaica. As I'm sure you know, most things grown in Jamaica these days are hybrids, grown for a quick flower cycle, to appease the tourist market.

Swami seeds is were the mango biche x 60s lambs bread is coming from.
It’s not pure but he does sell several “lambs bread” the 1960s, then Jamaican 1977…
So I’m growing to see what he call Lambs bread. Swami got a couple videos on YouTube and very quick he shows a couple female 1977 Jamaican.

I on the other hand have a Jamaican line I don’t call lambs bread (because I prefer to avoid the dilema that comes with the name). Jamaican is what the rasta said and I just call it Jamaican or Jamaican skunk.

2012 first time running the seeds.

I’m running side by side to see and compare for education purposes. I don’t sell seeds or grow for commercial purposes.

I don’t see mango biche/60s lambs b to be a 100% narrow leaf cultivar but I have seen many times broad leaf veg and after 7th node leaf and plant morph to a narrow leaf. The deal breaker comes with flower structure, if it’s not a long ass flower time with a fox tail wheat like flower than it’s not a true Jamaican from my pov.
The LB I see here are quite unique, only thing I may see is bottle neck phenos as if I understood right it has been IBL to preserve. That may reduce genetic diversity but if the breeder wants a specific flower and/or phenotype IBL is the way to go.

If it’s some other Jamaican originated cultivar then time will tell (that’s Swami). What’s grown in Kingstown, May not be the same as the blue mountain, or west of Jamaica.
The seeds that I recovered came from seeded buds from the area of St James North center of the island, date back 2012. From the hands of a humble rasta, with no music background and no story. I purchased to buds on a stick loaded with seeds from his personal smoking stash.

I don’t kill the swami gear because they look great, they smell great, and I have 2 males 1 female so I may IBL to have and repro… it’s a good building block to make hybrids.

 

[Marcus67]

Looks good! Even if they are not 100% old 70s style NLD, they probably have a good amount of those genes in there. Those older skunk lines are also not bad compared to what's around today. I have seeds from Jamaica 2008 St Thomas Blue Mountains that I will sprout soon. One was extremely introspective.

 

[Persianfarmer]

hello all,

jamaican lambsbread line 1960



best vibes

Just a pure beauty thanks for sharing ahhhh sariva ahhh love

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Looks good! Even if they are not 100% old 70s style NLD, they probably have a good amount of those genes in there. Those older skunk lines are also not bad compared to what's around today. I have seeds from Jamaica 2008 St Thomas Blue Mountains that I will sprout soon. One was extremely introspective.

That’s awesome man. I love Jamaican ganja, it’s got something others don’t. May be the way it’s grown, that being if its rasta originated 100% organic with good vibes in it, not money.

I remember the rasta saying them call it Jamaican or Jamaican skunk. When the bud have that much seed on it don’t seem like the kinda bud you wanna sell to tourist.

Looking forward to seeing your phenos.

Good vibes

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Looks good! Even if they are not 100% old 70s style NLD, they probably have a good amount of those genes in there. Those older skunk lines are also not bad compared to what's around today. I have seeds from Jamaica 2008 St Thomas Blue Mountains that I will sprout soon. One was extremely introspective.

If I may; 2022 I grew again the F1 of my Jamaican line, I couldn’t finish it outdoors (49N).
She had aggressive narrow leaf and crazy vigorous side branching.

 

[Persianfarmer]

If I may; 2022 I grew again the F1 of my Jamaican line, I couldn’t finish it outdoors (49N).
She had aggressive narrow leaf and crazy vigorous side branching.
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Nice very healthy grow!!!

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Yeah she is a serious contender. What I like about the genotype is that it’s almost mold proof, the airy buds and the internodal spacing of the flowers are the key. Flower time lol never gonna happen outdoors in Canada.
This is 2023 trying greenhouse but still did not make it.

Once again not pure Jamaican here but I like this more than the Swami I have now. No offence to Swami or anyone for that matter.

Definitely the Vibes Collective have something unique. Jah bless.

 

[Persianfarmer]

Yeah she is a serious contender. What I like about the genotype is that it’s almost mold proof, the airy buds and the internodal spacing of the flowers are the key. Flower time lol never gonna happen outdoors in Canada.
This is 2023 trying greenhouse but still did not make it.
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Once again not pure Jamaican here but I like this more than the Swami I have now. No offence to Swami or anyone for that matter.

Definitely the Vibes Collective have something unique. Jah bless.

Bro stop saying not pure sariva coz my eyes see that baby as pure sativa growing, it can’t get narrower than that Canada Brother!

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Bro stop saying not pure sariva coz my eyes see that baby as pure sativa growing, it can’t get narrower than that Canada Brother!

She has been my project for ever man. I just can’t get it to finish flower. I gave up in 2015 but recently discovered/seen y’all here hitting that Jamaican vibes I got motivated to go pack to the never ending project, from hermies, to mutants, to endless flower times…

That last picture is Jamaican x Filipino. I got some under lights now going 11/13 from seed (2 phenos showing lots of potential). I have another female 8 months old same line, purple calyx, still alive and I’m trying to reveg as the look of the flower is too damn different to let it go to waste.

 

[Persianfarmer]

She has been my project for ever man. I just can’t get it to finish flower. I gave up in 2015 but recently discovered/seen y’all here hitting that Jamaican vibes I got motivated to go pack to the never ending project, from hermies, to mutants, to endless flower times…

That last picture is Jamaican x Filipino. I got some under lights now going 11/13 from seed (2 phenos showing lots of potential). I have another female 8 months old same line, purple calyx, still alive and I’m trying to reveg as the look of the flower is too damn different to let it go to waste.

Brother thanks for the above! Now you got my neurons going!!!! Did you say Filipino?? From which part? Cebu? Manila outskirts? She must be a Sativa??? Are you one if those seed hunters specializing in Sativas like my brother Ultramarine?

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Brother thanks for the above! Now you got my neurons going!!!! Did you say Filipino?? From which part? Cebu? Manila outskirts? She must be a Sativa??? Are you one if those seed hunters specializing in Sativas like my brother Ultramarine?

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Well just like my Jamaican seed I can’t use a AOC but from what I seen it’s a vary narrow leaf variety from Kalinga, Northen Luzon. I picked up seeded bud while in Palawan. The flowers are like nothing I seen before and considerably less flower time, incredible fungal resistance and cold weather resistant.

Definitely not a seed hunter but obsessed with pure Sativa high as yall may know it’s not a body thing it’s 100% mind and spirit.

All these F1 are there for anyone wanting to take a swing at fox tail 16-20 weeks of waiting.

 

[Persianfarmer]

Sharing is caring.

Well just like my Jamaican seed I can’t use a AOC but from what I seen it’s a vary narrow leaf variety from Kalinga, Northen Luzon. I picked up seeded bud while in Palawan. The flowers are like nothing I seen before and considerably less flower time, incredible fungal resistance and cold weather resistant.

Definitely not a seed hunter but obsessed with pure Sativa high as yall may know it’s not a body thing it’s 100% mind and spirit.

All these F1 are there for anyone wanting to take a swing at fox tail 16-20 weeks of waiting.

Well Luzon is magical!!! Are you a surfer or kite surfer? I would take a swing but am too far brother!!! Great genetics to work with for sure!

 

[Marcus67]

If I may; 2022 I grew again the F1 of my Jamaican line, I couldn’t finish it outdoors (49N).
She had aggressive narrow leaf and crazy vigorous side branching.
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That looks 100% legit, beautiful!