is there any substitute for Canna Nutrients that still offers that sweet, full flavour??

[Terppalooza]

Once again , if you think flush at the end of bloom is a myth ,think twice.

You cant flush immobile mineral but you surely can flush mobile mineral.

but whats the point of flushing? so your plants start dying before you harvest? as far as i know white ash comes from high mineral content

 

[little-soldier]

almost any fertilizer can grow good weed. you just have to find out for yourself what tastes best

after doing many tests with many different nutes i would say the opposite. almost any fertilizer can grow shitty carboard tasting weed. And i DID find out by myself

 

[Piff Rhys Jones]

but whats the point of flushing? so your plants start dying before you harvest? as far as i know white ash comes from high mineral content

White ash is a result of full combustion. Flowers with too much chlorophyll at harvest as a result of too high N taste bad and won’t fully combust, leaving black residue.

Ash color can also be augmented with calcium carbonate or calcium sulfate but the flavor is off if too much N was fed.

Peace

 

[little-soldier]

White ash is a result of full combustion. Flowers with too much chlorophyll at harvest as a result of too high N taste bad and won’t fully combust, leaving black residue.

Ash color can also be augmented with calcium carbonate or calcium sulfate but the flavor is off if too much N was fed.

Peace

I have flushed 2 sometimes 3 weeks where plants are so yellow that even the colas mini leaves are drying up and dying and STILL i dont have absolute white ash. I also hear people flushing with calcium caarbonate anf calcium sulfate and their ash is super white so...

 

[Brother Nature]

White ash has more to do with proper drying and processing than flushing,

 

[Piff Rhys Jones]

I have flushed 2 sometimes 3 weeks where plants are so yellow that even the colas mini leaves are drying up and dying and STILL i dont have absolute white ash. I also hear people flushing with calcium caarbonate anf calcium sulfate and their ash is super white so...

I meant to say calcium chloride instead of carbonate, I think I saw that as an ingredient in an Athena flushing product. That gives the super white look, but it’s not a result of full combustion.

Full combustion is a result of feeding correctly and tapering N correctly, making sure nothing will hinder the burn, including the mineral content of the water used. And drying correctly of course.

Peace

 

[Piff Rhys Jones]

White ash has more to do with proper drying and processing than flushing,

This is a myth as clean flowers will burn white fresh off the plant having only been dried barely enough to smoke. The myth stems from the fact that chlorophyll will eventually break down after a long cure so ash color and burn ability will improve over time.

You can avoid the need for a long cure and have a superior smoking experience immediately by not overfeeding.

Peace

 

[Brother Nature]

It’s also a myth that ash color has anything to do with the quality or “cleanliness” of the product. Just as its a myth that flushing your plants removes nutrients from the dried end product, but people will still argue about it till the cows come home.

 

[Terppalooza]

I have flushed 2 sometimes 3 weeks where plants are so yellow that even the colas mini leaves are drying up and dying and STILL i dont have absolute white ash. I also hear people flushing with calcium caarbonate anf calcium sulfate and their ash is super white so...

and ive had grows where i fed almost no N and the ash is black and grows where i feed full strength nutrients till the end. and ash is white... im not claiming to understand the sience. but i think a well balanced feeding, and harvesting at the right time creates good burining weed in my experience

 

[Terppalooza]

This is a myth as clean flowers will burn white fresh off the plant having only been dried barely enough to smoke. The myth stems from the fact that chlorophyll will eventually break down after a long cure so ash color and burn ability will improve over time.

You can avoid the need for a long cure and have a superior smoking experience immediately by not overfeeding.

Peace

yes i agree. in my experience if it burns white. it usualy does so even when barely dry. same with black ash. wand will continue to do so until the end. not over feeding. well balanced diet i can subsibe to that

 

[Piff Rhys Jones]

It’s also a myth that ash color has anything to do with the quality or “cleanliness” of the product. Just as its a myth that flushing your plants removes nutrients from the dried end product, but people will still argue about it till the cows come home.

Unfortunately it’s not an argument, the people suggesting ash color has nothing to do with quality are experiencing cognitive dissonance.

Flowers that don’t combust well and taste of chlorophyll aren’t enjoyable objectively. It’s not a matter of preference, do you know anyone that prefers to smoke weed that doesn’t burn well and tastes of carbon and chlorophyll?

Peace

 

[Piff Rhys Jones]

and ive had grows where i fed almost no N and the ash is black and grows where i feed full strength nutrients till the end. and ash is white... im not claiming to understand the sience. but i think a well balanced feeding, and harvesting at the right time creates good burining weed in my experience

The black ash was a result of something affecting the burn, during this grow with no N what were you feeding?

How can you be sure N had not accumulated at some point in the medium? Canna is a hyper accumulator so will take more than it needs of everything.

Did you test your water? Were you growing organic or synthetic?

Did the plant fade out and yield healthily? Did you dry slowly and trim the plant after it was fully dry?

It’s not a myth, it’s simple and logical science, its why tobacco needs to be fermented to burn properly, the tobacco industry and tobacco smokers don’t like chlorophyll either.

Peace

 

[xtsho]

Oh good grief. The old ash color nonsense. Yawn...

 

[Steele Savage]

I use Dyna-Gro nutrients with organic additives for two reasons. One its cheap and the other is it grows stinky and sticky weed that kicks my ass.

Fify

 

[Sanjuro]

White ash has more to do with proper drying and processing than flushing,

Brother..

FLUSHING PLANTS is the wrong terminology that people widely use

The right one to use is STARVING PLANTS before harvest.

STARVING plants mean you make them use all the available nutrients stored in the grow medium (soil,coco) first and also the “food” the plant has stored in it’s system. In hydro growing people can mimic this method by making the nutrient solution milder and milder the closer to harvest they get.

Cannabis plants don’t need a huge amount of nutrients anymore when they are just filling up few weeks before harvest.

I grow in soil and i stop supplementing with nutrients about 5 weeks before harvesting. Then they’ll get water and some bud booster (topmax by biobizz) till the end and just plain water during the last week before harvest.



Also. If people give their plant too much N during bloom the smoke will taste bitter no matter how yellow the plant looks like before it’s cut down. You have to go easy with N from the on set of flower production on the plant. The plant needs N in bloom yes, mostly during the stretch and early budding, but not that much in later life.

 

[xtsho]

Brother..

FLUSHING PLANTS is the wrong terminology that people widely use

The right one to use is STARVING PLANTS before harvest.

STARVING plants mean you make them use all the available nutrients stored in the grow medium (soil,coco) first and also the “food” the plant has stored in it’s system. In hydro growing people can mimic this method by making the nutrient solution milder and milder the closer to harvest they get.

Cannabis plants don’t need a huge amount of nutrients anymore when they are just filling up few weeks before harvest.

I grow in soil and i stop supplementing with nutrients about 5 weeks before harvesting. Then they’ll get water and some bud booster (topmax by biobizz) till the end and just plain water during the last week before harvest.



Also. If people give their plant too much N during bloom the smoke will taste bitter no matter how yellow the plant looks like before it’s cut down. You have to go easy with N from the on set of flower production on the plant. The plant needs N in bloom yes, mostly during the stretch and early budding, but not that much in later life.

You shouldn't have to starve your plants. People overfeed from the beginning by following the ridiculous feed charts of a dozen bottles of nonsense. If people would just feed properly they can feed all the way to the end. Many cannabis growers overfeed and then starve when they should just be feeding what they actually need from start until finish.

You don't need to cut off basic feeding for 5 weeks and then just give some bud booster.

I swear, people don't give a damn about actual plant nutrition. What the hell is a bud booster? You do understand that plants still need nitrogen during flowering.

Marketing has replaced science.

 

[little-soldier]

I ran an aeroponic system with no medium at no more than 450ppm and still the ash wasnt as white as it should so the theory of low feeding or flushing or media accumulation of fertilizer is not whats causing the issue here. Im starting to think its strain related

 

[Hiddenjems]

Flushing isn’t “needed” if you run the plant until the end of its cycle. You can have all the nutes you want in the Rez, a plant that’s truly finished uptakes almost nothing but water.

“Flushing” is mostly used to try and get weed that isn’t finished to taste like it is.


The black mass on the joint not burning right isn’t chlorophyll, it’s burnt sugars that the plant didn’t have time to metabolize.

 

[Sanjuro]

I swear, people don't give a damn about actual plant nutrition.

Hi.

I think it’s your types who have it wrong.

I’m growing bud for smoking not like it’s salad or cucumber or what ever healthy greens you’re going to eat. And i’m not growing a rose bush to look at either. It’s all for bong rips, brother.

The feeding should be optimized to get the best smoking quality out of the plant and not to grow it to look good. Atleast that is how i see it. You can feed your cannabis like roses, tulips or tomatos if you want to.



And i wrote that cannabis needs N during blooming but more during the first half of flowering not so much during the last weeks before harvest.

I have smoked plants that hermied too much during bloom and were cut down while i was still giving them nutrients and it’s close to unsmokeable to me.

I know the difference between plants you starve really well and smokes that were getting nutrients till the end. Do you.

 

[Brother Nature]

How about some real science on weather or not flushing does anything? This forum logic and bro science needs to stop.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0926669024011348