In over my head - OG Panama Red

[TheHatman]

oh these daylight fotos are much better.. but they aren´t showing their sex..

 

[TheHatman]

There are strains that show presex flowers from about the 5. nodie. But not all do this.. Of course you can give a clone 12/12 for checking out it´s sex.

 

[Bsinger]

At 31 days, should they not be showing sex yet? All my other plants were showing sex at around 3 weeks or so. Is it just the strain. Thanks so much.

 

[TheHatman]

At 31 days, should they not be showing sex yet? All my other plants were showing sex at around 3 weeks or so. Is it just the strain. Thanks so much.

Yes it depends on the strain. There are genetics, that doesn´t show sex at growth (or you cannot identify it, because presex flowers are too unspecified).

 

[Bsinger]

Thanks for this. Look at you with 48 posts. We'll be chatting soon enough.

Yes it depends on the strain. There are genetics, that doesn´t show sex at growth (or you cannot identify it, because presex flowers are too unspecified).

 

[gorilla ganja]

At 31 days, should they not be showing sex yet? All my other plants were showing sex at around 3 weeks or so. Is it just the strain. Thanks so much.

You may be mistaken something else for what you think is sex organs

I have only seen autos that show sex in 3 weeks. Most hybrids are 4 - 6 weeks minimum , and like a few have said some sativas can take forever to show there sex and may need to begin flower to show.

Peace GG

 

[therevverend]

A lot of times males won't show sex until they've been in a 12/12 light cycle for a week or two. Females are much more likely to show a pre-flower with a pistil in Veg. Be careful you aren't sexing plants based on 'undifferentiated primordia'. These are pre-flowers that are neither male or female. A lot of people make this mistake, confuse a primordia with a male flower and cull it when the sex actually hasn't shown. There's entire threads on this subject, my opinion is that there's no easy way. It's mostly experience. Male flowers tend to form in clusters and look like 'balls'. While undifferentiated primordia are usually by themselves and have a more triangular shape. You should definitely look at some pictures online and familiarize yourself with the different look. And be wary of anyone who says there's an easy method or trick to distinguish between the two.

Growing outdoors, every year in late May and June I'm driving myself crazy, inspecting pre-flowers trying to get my plants sexed early. I think there's a genetic aspect of it, some strains i'll have most of the females separated by the middle of June. I've also had a plant keep throwing primordia until early August, then finally show a female flower. It's frustrating. Now you can order sex test kits for around $8 a plant, you can get it all figured out when your plants are a week or two old. All this new tech is taking all the fun out of growing..

One more thing i should add. If I start my outdoor plants in late March, by the end of July they're 120 days old! And still not sexed. Usually they show in late May to mid June, that's 60 days or more. Indoors is different but still, if your plants are throwing female hairs at 30 days your lucky. I'd be very suspicious that a male flower on a plant 30 days old is an undifferentiated primorida and the true sex of the plant is still to be determined.

 

[TheHatman]

+1
If I could speak/write english as well as therevverend, I would say it in these words, too

 

[Bsinger]

Day 31 and the babies are now close to a foot tall. lol Holy crap. A few of them are now towering over the clones and gaining by the day. I had read to let them get about 18" or so before flipping to 12/12? They are such a beautiful shade of green and their leaves are huge.

 

[Bsinger]

This is why I love this forum. All the information here is amazing. Thank you. I'm trying to learn and absorb. Thankfully, for breeding, I can just throw them all in a tent and let them do their thing in the basement. If the clones I took take off, I may hold off for a week or two and add 5 more plants to that breeding as well. I want a female clone to flower though in a flip I have going in a few weeks if they are ready.

A lot of times males won't show sex until they've been in a 12/12 light cycle for a week or two. Females are much more likely to show a pre-flower with a pistil in Veg. Be careful you aren't sexing plants based on 'undifferentiated primordia'. These are pre-flowers that are neither male or female. A lot of people make this mistake, confuse a primordia with a male flower and cull it when the sex actually hasn't shown. There's entire threads on this subject, my opinion is that there's no easy way. It's mostly experience. Male flowers tend to form in clusters and look like 'balls'. While undifferentiated primordia are usually by themselves and have a more triangular shape. You should definitely look at some pictures online and familiarize yourself with the different look. And be wary of anyone who says there's an easy method or trick to distinguish between the two.

Growing outdoors, every year in late May and June I'm driving myself crazy, inspecting pre-flowers trying to get my plants sexed early. I think there's a genetic aspect of it, some strains i'll have most of the females separated by the middle of June. I've also had a plant keep throwing primordia until early August, then finally show a female flower. It's frustrating. Now you can order sex test kits for around $8 a plant, you can get it all figured out when your plants are a week or two old. All this new tech is taking all the fun out of growing..

One more thing i should add. If I start my outdoor plants in late March, by the end of July they're 120 days old! And still not sexed. Usually they show in late May to mid June, that's 60 days or more. Indoors is different but still, if your plants are throwing female hairs at 30 days your lucky. I'd be very suspicious that a male flower on a plant 30 days old is an undifferentiated primorida and the true sex of the plant is still to be determined.

 

[Bsinger]

Doing a little experiment. I got am new 1500w sunshine cob led. I put the babies under that and the clones are under a 1200w blurple light. See which one grows faster.

 

[Bsinger]

Question:

Since I'm just breeding anyways, can I put the seedlings that are a month old in 12/12 now? Pros? Cons?

 

[pinkus]

Question:

Since I'm just breeding anyways, can I put the seedlings that are a month old in 12/12 now? Pros? Cons?

If you mean you are just going to let them pollenate each other with no selection you can just throw them into flower together. If you want mostly seedless, or want to do a selection, or cross specific plants, this isn't the way to go.

 

[Bsinger]

What would you do? I have 7 grown from seed and 5 I just took off as clones.

If you mean you are just going to let them pollenate each other with no selection you can just throw them into flower together. If you want mostly seedless, or want to do a selection, or cross specific plants, this isn't the way to go.

 

[hush]

Question:

Since I'm just breeding anyways, can I put the seedlings that are a month old in 12/12 now? Pros? Cons?

Yes, you can. Month old seedlings should have enough mass to be able to effectively produce a decent amount of seeds. And if you are doing an open-pollination seed run like that, with the intent of just hurrying it along as quickly as possible, you can even play around with the photoperiod... like, go with 11/13 instead of 12/12, and then for the last half of flowering go further to 10/14. That helps to ripen things along quicker. I only recommend this if you are doing an open pollination, though, meaning the males are pollinating the females at a very early stage and you don't have to worry about the seeds not finishing before the flowers are done.

 

[TheHatman]

Because you want to preserve the old genetics, do 12/12 and do then an open pollination (best way to keep genetically variety). You´ll harvest many seeds. Next time bring out some seeds and do a selection run with them..

 

[Bsinger]

Hey there friend,

So, just to make sure that I have this correct. I am going to take all 7 babies and even the 5 baby clones I just took off and put them into 12/12 today and keep asking for advice here? hahaha

Because you want to preserve the old genetics, do 12/12 and do then an open pollination (best way to keep genetically variety). You´ll harvest many seeds. Next time bring out some seeds and do a selection run with them..

 

[TheHatman]

You can do so.. but you can also keep the clones at 18/6. If there is a great phenotype (or better genotype), you can take the clone next time for a backcross with offsprings

 

[Bsinger]

What does this mean? lol

Tomorrow is the day. Lights going off from 8am - 8pm. yikes

Because you want to preserve the old genetics, do 12/12 and do then an open pollination (best way to keep genetically variety). You´ll harvest many seeds. Next time bring out some seeds and do a selection run with them..

 

[Benny106]

You want to keep a clone of each under 18/6, so when you are finished with the first plants you still have a copy to run again.


A back cross, means instead of using the babies to cross with other babies, a sibling cross... a bx would be say a male from the babies cross back on to original mum.