IBL's

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Clearcutter, you are correct... You can have a poor ibl, if the selections being inbred are poor selections... Saying that a seedline must meet certian standards to be an inbred line is just ignorance... inbred a line for several successive generations and the line becomes inbred, simple fact...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Why would ANYONE want a poor IBL? That's the point of this thread. As for trolling, you seem to fit the profile, as all Cosmic Toker posted was a quote by Rez himself. Nobody is here to "bash" anybody, just discuss a body of work and determine its true worth.

Direct quotes are hardly trolling.

Octavian

I thought we were here to define inbred line, lol... at least according to the first post...
It is obvious that the real agenda is to pass judgment on the three years of work Rez has put into the SD ibl, and Try to make it seem to have no worth...
The first post asked nothing of Rez, just if an IBL could be created indoors, and what defines an IBL...
Cosmic toker should have posted his real agenda as his thread title : "Rez cannot call his seeds an IBL unless they totally reproduce the clone in every seed"...

 

[captainjack]

I thought we were here to define inbred line, lol... at least according to the first post...
It is obvious that the real agenda is to pass judgment on the three years of work Rez has put into the SD ibl, and Try to make it seem to have no worth...
The first post asked nothing of Rez, just if an IBL could be created indoors, and what defines an IBL...
Cosmic toker should have posted his real agenda as his thread title : "Rez cannot call his seeds an IBL unless they totally reproduce the clone in every seed"...

which is impossible...

 

[dyren]

I've said that twice, Do I need to type slower ?

LOL!

Thanks to all who are participating in this debate. I'm finding this thread extremely interesting and informative.

Wish I had something to add.

Carry on.

 

[clearcutter]

Why would ANYONE want a poor IBL?

I would hope no one would want to create one.
Cosmic Toker quoted my post on page 2. "But a crappy ibl is still an ibl." And stated i was wrong and that you can't have a poor performing, or "crappy" ibl. I disagree.

100% wrong....an IBL is more then just the steps you took to get there....it's about performance too.

 

[clearcutter]

As for trolling, you seem to fit the profile, as all Cosmic Toker posted was a quote by Rez himself. Nobody is here to "bash" anybody, just discuss a body of work and determine its true worth.

Direct quotes are hardly trolling.

Octavian

This is Cosmic Toker's original post.

Do you guys think it's possible to breed an IBL indoors and if so what constitutes an IBL...?

I called him a troll after reading these posts of his. All posted before this thread.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=629319&postcount=11

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=634598&postcount=19

 

[Capt. Crip]

The fact that SD IBL breeds true for odor/taste and the overall look of the finished product proves that the work is good!Usually a breeder is trying to stabilize just a few traits and the SD IBL seems to fit....The fact that the offspring are so similar proves the line is inbred and showing the traits he first established as his goals with the line...
So,wheres the beef????

Why is the SD line being attacked?I've seen a lot of good comments about the product...From very respectable growers here ,take JLP for instance...He's grown enough to know whats good and bad work...Nothing but good comments about his experience...
So who is this illusive fella thats had such bad luck with the SD IBL???/
Funny how it's always a friend of a friend grew it and said ...Blah,blah blah....

 

[Octavian]

The fact that SD IBL breeds true for odor/taste and the overall look of the finished product proves that the work is good!Usually a breeder is trying to stabilize just a few traits and the SD IBL seems to fit....The fact that the offspring are so similar proves the line is inbred and showing the traits he first established as his goals with the line...
So,wheres the beef????

Why is the SD line being attacked?I've seen a lot of good comments about the product...From very respectable growers here ,take JLP for instance...He's grown enough to know whats good and bad work...Nothing but good comments about his experience...
So who is this illusive fella thats had such bad luck with the SD IBL???/
Funny how it's always a friend of a friend grew it and said ...Blah,blah blah....

I think the real question isn't what people think of Rez or his work, but how he describes it.

Inbred Line (IBL) implies TRUE BREEDING. If the SD IBL is true breeding for certain traits, then it qualifies as an IBL IMO.

HOWEVER

Rez himself states that inbreeding the SD IBL further will result in degraded stock. So, since everyone agrees SD IBL is awesome, the progeny should be as well...if it is not, as THE BREEDER himself states, then it is not a true breeding IBL. If it is not true breeding, as the name implies, it is deceptive to label it as such.

It's really a matter of semantics. As a purist, I just want to see honesty in labeling, and I'm seeing some conflicting information.

It is possible that Rez has created a true-breeding IBL, and therefore it could be labeled as such...but his statement concerning the ability to true breed implies alot to anyone who has a basic understanding of biology. You can't have it both ways.

Octavian

 

[Cosmic Toker]

Sorry for using rez as an example but theres really only a few main IBL's that get talked about at this site and the SD is the main one, I'm far from trolling when I ask about quotes made by rez like this one and the question fits the thread perfect

SD IBL was designed to produce an inferior product when crossed to itself

 

[Guest]

well, has anyone grown out sd ibl x sd ibl? i know jlp made some beans of this make-up but i havent seen any reports. i think he said a while back he was growing out a few. any comments jlp?

 

[TokenBlackGuy]

so should SD IBL x SD IBL= SD IBL?
And maybe REZDOG says the cross will be inferior because he doesnt want another person to profit off his work...
And im also very surprised we havent seen someone try that yet because they would definelty sell for atleast 50 for ten seeds..

 

[Octavian]

Clearcutter, you are correct... You can have a poor ibl, if the selections being inbred are poor selections... Saying that a seedline must meet certian standards to be an inbred line is just ignorance... inbred a line for several successive generations and the line becomes inbred, simple fact...

If we can't agree that IBL=True breeding for certain traits, then this is a pretty pointless discussion.

Take away the true breeding, and "IBL" loses any significance.

Octavian

 

[TAG-monk]

The only thing that bug me with all this "SDIBL IS NOT IBL LOL!" thing is....how the hell could he call it anyway?

He can't call it a F1
He can't call it a F2
He can't call it a F3
He can't call it a BX1
He can't call it a BX2
He can't call it a BX3
He can't call it a LandRace
He can't call it "Sour Diesel" alone because it would confuse some
He certainly can't call it "East-Coast-Sour-Diesel- IBL-But-Not-Exactly-Because-Some-People-Do-Not-Think-It-Stable-Enough"

How could he name those seeds?

Its a In Bred Line, its an IBL.

 

[Octavian]

The only thing that bug me with all this "SDIBL IS NOT IBL LOL!" thing is....how the hell could he call it anyway?

He can't call it a F1
He can't call it a F2
He can't call it a F3
He can't call it a BX1
He can't call it a BX2
He can't call it a BX3
He can't call it a LandRace
He can't call it "Sour Diesel" alone because it would confuse some
He certainly can't call it "East-Coast-Sour-Diesel- IBL-But-Not-Exactly-Because-Some-People-Do-Not-Think-It-Stable-Enough"

How could he name those seeds?

Its a In Bred Line, its an IBL.

This is getting a little silly..."Rez's Sour Diesel" would get the point across just fine, Reeferman does it.

Using the term IBL implies TRUE BREEDING, it's as simple as that. I for one would shut up right now if that simple statement could be agreed upon.

Octavian

 

[Closet Funk]

Using the term IBL implies TRUE BREEDING, it's as simple as that.

It's funny how people argue with breeders about what is an IBL is. I find it kind of rediculous to tell Rez his Sour Diesel isn't an IBL. Why would he put IBL beside his work if it wasn't. I haven't grown the Sour Diesel IBL yet or any other IBL's yet. When I do decide to grow an IBL I expect for it to be true breeding just like the breeder states.

 

[englishrick]

Is this a question to rez?

 

[Octavian]

It's funny how people argue with breeders about what is an IBL is. I find it kind of rediculous to tell Rez his Sour Diesel isn't an IBL. Why would he put IBL beside his work if it wasn't. I haven't grown the Sour Diesel IBL yet or any other IBL's yet. When I do decide to grow an IBL I expect for it to be true breeding just like the breeder states.

The only problem with that is that Rez has stated that continuing the line will result in inferior stock....which means it is not true breeding...do you see where I'm heading with this?

I wouldn't presume to tell anybody what to call anything...it would be nice to be able to agree on simple definitions, without all this Clintonesque "it depends on what your definition of is, is" bullshit. The definition of IBL includes true breeding for one or more traits, not just line crossed individuals...it is line crossing with a specific purpose of "fixing" or "stabilizing" or "true breeding" for certain traits.

INBRED LINE IMPLIES TRUE BREEDING

Octavian

 

[Closet Funk]

The only problem with that is that Rez has stated that continuing the line will result in inferior stock....which means it is not true breeding...do you see where I'm heading with this?

I wouldn't presume to tell anybody what to call anything

I'm not saying that you were telling Rez it wasn't it's others arguing about. I was just using your IBL means true breeding. I must of missed the part where Rez stated that. Must of been ripped.

 

[Octavian]

I'm not saying that you were telling Rez it wasn't it's others arguing about. I was just using your IBL means true breeding. I must of missed the part where Rez stated that. Must of been ripped.

That's OK, I'm not mad at anybody...just seeking clarification. I'm glad you see wherein my confusion lies. K+, or whatever it is here

Octavian

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

like I said... I'm growing some out, I'll make some seeds and then I'll report what happens...