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howmany people here dont trust the vaccine or covid

Hammerhead

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Get your booster because deltacron is coming for you.

As for the Bruce Lee lie...

All liberals have is lies.

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Rumours about cannabis present in Lee's system as a course of death began to develop.

However, a British forensic expert confirmed that Bruce had indeed died from an allergic reaction to the aspirin.
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It's a good thing you can trust the independents than right :D.
 

Chi13

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Boom Boom down goes another.......

Soccer Player Suffers Heart Attack In Qatar

https://rumble.com/vs7bda-soccer-pla...usxns&mrefc=27
These incidents have been happening forever. The difference now is that idiots are randomly blaming them on the vaccine. More bullshit from you. I can't work out if you're an idiot or if the shit you post is just malicious.

A study pre covid.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7237076/
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28943599/athletes-collapse-think-heart-first

Example of random athlete dying in 2003.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rug...WENWVKXRARXMM/
 
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moose eater

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These incidents have been happening forever. The difference now is that idiots are randomly blaming them on the vaccine. More bullshit from you. I can't work out if you're an idiot or if the shit you post is just malicious.

Yep, I planted lilacs in my front yard near my moose fence, near the gardens, and now there's no dinosaurs there. My lilacs keep dinosaurs away from my gardens.

There's reasons we have formal construction and separation in valid experiments re. control groups and experimental groups, eh? :)
 

star crash

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@ 3 cherries ..How’s that old saying go ?. >>> “take the cotton out of your ears and put in your 👄 mouth”
 

star crash

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This thread >>> it’s the O.K Corral
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Three Berries

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These incidents have been happening forever. The difference now is that idiots are randomly blaming them on the vaccine. More bullshit from you. I can't work out if you're an idiot or if the shit you post is just malicious.

Example of random athlete dying in 2003.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/ru...elford-dead-at-39/SDMETEGACDDBDWENWVKXRARXMM/

Oh please they have not been happening forever at the rate they are going. But I may be wrong. Do you have an stats from pre covid?
 

Chi13

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Oh please they have not been happening forever at the rate they are going. But I may be wrong. Do you have an stats from pre covid?

I don't have specific stats pre and post covid, but there is this article about the dangers. Note that is about incidents pre-covid and the table which outlines the chances (e.g. 1 in 500 etc).
Abstract
Sudden cardiac death (SCD) in competitive athletes, though relatively uncommon, invariably leads to controversy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7237076/

And this article from 2018.
This article is more than 3 years old
More young footballers dying of heart problems than thought, FA study finds
FA increases number of screenings for youth players after study finds several players died of heart problems not spotted by tests
https://www.theguardian.com/science...of-heart-problems-than-thought-fa-study-finds
 

Chi13

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Study done in 2018 about sudden cardiac deaths in soccer players.
METHODS
From 1996 through 2016, we screened 11,168 adolescent athletes with a mean (±SD) age of 16.4±1.2 years (95% of whom were male) in the English Football Association (FA) cardiac screening program,
CONCLUSIONS
Diseases that are associated with sudden cardiac death were identified in 0.38% of adolescent soccer players in a cohort that underwent cardiovascular screening. The incidence of sudden cardiac death was 1 per 14,794 person-years, or 6.8 per 100,000 athletes; most of these deaths were due to cardiomyopathies that had not been detected on screening. (Funded by the English Football Association and others.)
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1714719
 

Three Berries

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Study done in 2018 about sudden cardiac deaths in soccer players.
METHODS
From 1996 through 2016, we screened 11,168 adolescent athletes with a mean (±SD) age of 16.4±1.2 years (95% of whom were male) in the English Football Association (FA) cardiac screening program,
CONCLUSIONS
Diseases that are associated with sudden cardiac death were identified in 0.38% of adolescent soccer players in a cohort that underwent cardiovascular screening. The incidence of sudden cardiac death was 1 per 14,794 person-years, or 6.8 per 100,000 athletes; most of these deaths were due to cardiomyopathies that had not been detected on screening. (Funded by the English Football Association and others.)
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1714719

Plenty of Drs now saying it is a sudden problem. Soccer is a strenuous sport though. Maybe it needs regulated.
 

Chi13

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Plenty of Drs now saying it is a sudden problem. Soccer is a strenuous sport though. Maybe it needs regulated.
Plenty of doctors were saying it was a problem before Covid. Did you read the articles? Did you note the date? I've been following sport all my life and been hearing about this for decades. Always surprising when someone fit and health dies suddenly, but it happens. The difference now is that it is highlighted in the media in relation to Covid vaccines, nothing short of anti vax propaganda.
 

Three Berries

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Plenty of doctors were saying it was a problem before Covid. Did you read the articles? Did you note the date? I've been following sport all my life and been hearing about this for decades. Always surprising when someone fit and health dies suddenly, but it happens. The difference now is that it is highlighted in the media in relation to Covid vaccines, nothing short of anti vax propaganda.

Well I can find many articles that say Covid is a factor in athletes sudden heart problems.. Now what?
 

Chi13

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Well I can find many articles that say Covid is a factor in athletes sudden heart problems.. Now what?

Covid can cause heart issues, and in very rare cases so can the vaccine. Of course you can find articles. That's what we've just been discussing. You have said that these incidents are caused by the vaccine. I am saying they've been occurring before the vaccine.

Now find a peer reviewed article that directly links Covid vaccines to increased deaths in sportspeople.

Here is a classic example from my country. This 14 year old had a cardiac arrest playing soccer. She was used as an example of athletes that had a cardiac arrest due to the vaccine, yet she was unvaccinated. Australia was not even vaccinating anyone under 16 at the time.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-...game/100547088

Paula Azzopardi
November 27, 2021 at 12:08 am
My niece Ava Azzopardi is on this list which has been shared around the world as “proof” of vaccine injury. No research was bothered with in her case, as she’s Australian not American, and was unvaccinated. Heart wards in hospitals have always been full, and as our family now knows, athletes with undiagnosed heart conditions are at high risk of collapse.
https://thebluestateconservative.com.. .the-covid-jab/
 
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Three Berries

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5-fold increase in sudden cardiac deaths of FIFA players in 2021

https://stephenc.substack.com/p/5-fold-increase-in-sudden-cardiac

500% rise in deaths – FIFA players in 2021

https://world-signals.com/news/2021/11/26/500-rise-in-deaths-fifa-players-in-2021/

Updates on Sudden Death Among Athletes After Taking the Covid-19 Vaccine

https://bartoll.se/2021/11/sudden-death-from-vaccines-athletes/

Growing Number of Athlete Deaths: Are They Dying After Covid Jabs?

https://gellerreport.com/2021/11/gr...-deaths-are-they-dying-after-covid-jabs.html/
 

Chi13

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5-fold increase in sudden cardiac deaths of FIFA players in 2021

https://stephenc.substack.com/p/5-fo...sudden-cardiac

500% rise in deaths – FIFA players in 2021

https://world-signals.com/news/2021/...ayers-in-2021/

Updates on Sudden Death Among Athletes After Taking the Covid-19 Vaccine

https://bartoll.se/2021/11/sudden-de...ines-athletes/

Growing Number of Athlete Deaths: Are They Dying After Covid Jabs?

https://gellerreport.com/2021/11/gro...vid-jabs.html/
Peer reviewed? You manage to find the absolute worse sources of information.

Despite the claims of multiple news organizations and social media commentators, there is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are associated with increased rates of sudden cardiac arrest in athletes. The basis for these claims comes from the selective use of information from online resources and media reports. Data from clinical trials and international sporting agencies have revealed no connection between sudden cardiac arrest in athletes and COVID-19 vaccines. In fact, peer-reviewed studies of COVID-19 trials report no connections between the vaccines and sudden cardiac arrest in any population.
https://www.science20.com/w_glen_pyl...accines-255817

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport-idUSL1N2T81NY
 
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