HOW MANY CHILDREN NEED TO DIE BEFORE GUN LAWS CHANGE IN THE USA

[Hammerhead]

We don't need it for hunting do we lol, its an excuse.. I use to hunt as well and only need 3 cartridges at most when using any rifle. It would be a poor choice to hunt with. The previous ban proves it had an effect. I'm willing to compromise to save lives.. I don't need it for my life to be fuller lol. I don't need one to protect my family. I dont need one to hunt. I don't need one.

 

[armedoldhippy]

But I see those idjits in the stores already, with their firearms in Kydex holsters in plain view, openly carrying,

"open carry" is expensive here. one may legally carry concealed for free if you are legally allowed to own a firearm. but if you want to be the kind of witless fuck that flaunts his S&W 629 or 454 Casull while walking through Wally World, that's gonna set you back $350 for an "enhanced carry" permit. i guess if i had concerns about irate momma moose or hungry grizzly bears every time i stepped outside, i might see things a tad differently...

 

[moose eater]

I ceased owning any .223/5.56 mm weapons years ago. If I'm shooting something, I want it to go down on the first shot.

 

[armedoldhippy]

I don't need one.

good. a drop in demand will result in lower prices for those that might...

 

[moose eater]

"open carry" is expensive here. one may legally carry concealed for free if you are legally allowed to own a firearm. but if you want to be the kind of witless fuck that flaunts his S&W 629 or 454 Casull while walking through Wally World, that's gonna set you back $350 for an "enhanced carry" permit. i guess if i had concerns about irate momma moose or hungry grizzly bears every time i stepped outside, i might see things a tad differently...

My bush guns are rarely my city guns, with an exception in the cross-over of my S&W 10mm, which has shown itself (not mine, but the cartridge/firearm in general) to be a respectable sidearm in both environments.

Here no permit is required for either open-carry or concealed carry.

Those laws morphed several times over the last 30 years, but open carry has always been legal here, not withstanding bars, for obvious reasons.

Edit: And we also have some of the highest rates for violent crimes in the US, per capita, despite having lots of 'law abiding citizens' carrying.. Sometimes an armed society isn't necessarily 'a more polite society'. Sometimes it's a more cocky society, too.

 

[armedoldhippy]

I ceased owning any .223/5.56 mm weapons yeas ago. If I'm shooting something, I want it to go down on the first shot.

they are handy for things like coyotes and other varmints, and sometimes 'yotes don't come as singletons. had 5 stalking me one morning while turkey hunting. i was bowhunting (3 arrows), and THEY were turkey hunting too...once one smelled me, it was panic city!

 

[Hammerhead]

Demand for these is high only because of a possible ban. Depending on where you live owning one might not be possible. Some people think having them would help in some mythical civil war. The GOV has the public out gunned big time.

 

[armedoldhippy]

the public has the govt vastly outnumbered, and has home-field advantage. hell, the deer hunters in Texas could take many smaller countries if we are only talking ground battles... plus, US law does not make ANY exceptions for military use against civilians other than Nat. Guard to stop riots. none-no Apache attack copters, jets, nothing.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Demand for these is high only because of a possible ban

they are called "Barbies for men" because they have so many accessories available. just like at McDonalds, you CAN "have it your way". proposed bans DO sell more guns, keep up the good work!

 

[Hammerhead]

Numbers don't matter as most don't have the skills. At most, a few million would be the GOV's main target. This is all fantasy the brainwashed think is possible. If people in Cali talking about a gun ban effects other states that have none they are def brainwashed and programmed to consume more..

 

[moose eater]

they are called "Barbies for men" because they have so many accessories available. just like at McDonalds, you CAN "have it your way". proposed bans DO sell more guns, keep up the good work!

And yet Sportsman's Whorehouse is running a sale at the moment, with a rebate, and you can get a S&W version of a complete AR (I think with optics?) for all of $599 after the cash-back.

Like with cocaine prohibition, we seem to have a unique circumstance where they're more prevalent, and less expensive, despite pressures, reduced sales/demand, AND the threat of bans. A dream come true for those who love to fondle their firearms.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Numbers don't matter as most don't have the skills.

ever go to a rifle range and watch deer hunters before season? they are a LOT better shots than you are giving them credit for. dressed in the latest camo patterns too. IF they decide to fight, it's gonna be Russian elite (nat. guard) versus wheat farmers (deer hunters) all over again. skills ? you mean marching in step in columns? or hitting what you are shooting at ? plus, you are taking for granted that the Guard troops are willing to shoot at friends and neighbors. i'm not convinced...and you are not convincing.

 

[armedoldhippy]

remember when the SKS rifles were selling for around $65 a pop? i know guys that bought 10 or 20 at a lick then... they are still out there, someplace...

 

[RobFromTX]

And Idaho

ever go to a rifle range and watch deer hunters before season? they are a LOT better shots than you are giving them credit for. dressed in the latest camo patterns too. IF they decide to fight, it's gonna be Russian elite (nat. guard) versus wheat farmers (deer hunters) all over again. skills ? you mean marching in step in columns? or hitting what you are shooting at ? plus, you are taking for granted that the Guard troops are willing to shoot at friends and neighbors. i'm not convinced...and you are not convincing.

And they have patience. The first thing you develop when learning to be a good hunter

 

[moose eater]

Jews of Warsaw, Mujahideen, Sons of Liberty, the Viet Cong, and many others throughout history, often took on opponents who possessed superior firepower (and funding), and sometimes arose victorious. Often by accessing weapons any way they could, including confiscating or stealing weapons from their opponents, whether the Sons of Liberty hitting the King's armories for cannons and muskets, or the Mujahideen during the early days of their hand-forged British .303's, taking weapons off of Soviet tanks and gunships, often disabled via creative means.

The spirit in a fight, historically, matters as much or more as who has the more impressive weaponry and funding.

 

[armedoldhippy]

a few million would be the GOV's main target.

know how many National Guard troops in uniform in the country? i'll give you a hint, it's under 450,000 nation-wide per the govts numbers. and not all of them are gonna show up to fight their neighbors. and i wouldn't be too sure how many LEO are going to be on the govts side either. have you paid any attention to how many county sheriffs have publicly stated that they and their deputies will not be going door to door trying to take guns from owners... ?

 

[RobFromTX]

If we fought the vietcong on their terms they would have handed our ass to us on a platter. We had superior air power. Not to mention those vast networks of tunnels they dug when they fought the french. Yeah i think the stars all the time that i missed out on Vietnam

 

[moose eater]

If we fought the vietcong on their terms they would have handed our ass to us on a platter. We had superior air power. Not to mention those vast networks of tunnels they dug when they fought the french. Yeah i think the stars all the time that missed out on Vietnam

They were fighting for their country and opposing what they saw as elitist or globalist oppression. 'We' (the US and 'allies', French, and who ever before them) were fighting because someone told us to, and because of thinly veiled propaganda about some domino effect theory that was going to travel thousands of miles across the Pacific Ocean, presumably in wooden boats. .

Spirit and home-turf matter immensely.

 

[Hammerhead]

know how many National Guard troops in uniform in the country? i'll give you a hint, it's under 450,000 nation-wide per the govts numbers. and not all of them are gonna show up to fight their neighbors. and i wouldn't be too sure how many LEO are going to be on the govts side either. have you paid any attention to how many county sheriffs have publicly stated that they and their deputies will not be going door to door trying to take guns from owners... ?

LOL, Ea of them has acess to a minigun. The ave hunter doesn't have the skills. Its a fantasy I don't share.

Way off topic.. Lets get back to being OK with mass shootings. Letting the public open carry in all states. The risk has become too great to not carry a hand gun.

 

[moose eater]

Michael Silka was a classic MH case, who began his killing spree just down the road from where I lived back then. His first victim (that we know of) was a weed customer of a former partner's, who apparently injured Silka's ego by trying to instruct him re. how to properly butcher Silka's moose; a neighbor of Silka's, in fact.

Troopers showed up to that group of cabins and assumed, after speaking with Silka, that the blood in the snow was that of the moose; Roger's body was inside Silka's cabin at the time LEO was there.. "Missed it by THAT much..".

His weapon of opportunity/choice, by the time he'd arrived at the Manley boat launch on the Tanana River, was a stolen Springfield .30-06 bolt action rifle he'd taken from an unsuspecting trapper he'd killed at the boat launch.

He spent the next while killing local families in that small Village as they walked to and about the boat launch. It was a Sunday afternoon and many made a habit of a stroll with family there on such days..

He then departed in the trapper's boat, headed out on the river.

The State of Alaska had a SERT team in the air, with CAR-15 shorties, in an Ak State Trooper Bell Ranger.

Silka, trained as a rifleman and as a helicopter mechanic during his stint in the military, stepped from behind a tree, and in the blink of an eye, presumably aiming for the chopper's hydraulics through the open door of the bird, inadvertantly put a round through one Troopers throat (Duncan), and out the back of his head (a former classmate of a Trooper who was an acquaintance of mine back then), then into the interior of the chopper.

The other Trooper in the back seat, with door open, opened up, flipping to full-auto, and visually walked the rounds (not aiming per se') into Silka, using his spray pattern on the ground to guide him, and took Silka out.

That we know of, Silka's total body count was 21 people that day, and perhaps more in the days leading up to that moment, to possibly include a couple hitchhikers he'd picked up on the Haul Road, but which I'm not sure were ever accounted for..

Many residents in the Village of Manley looked cross-eyed at strangers visiting there for a LONG time after that.

Mental Health headcase? Check. Skilled with firearms? Check. Thoughtful in his deeds and methodology? Maybe. Lots of folks with firearms in the State back then? Absolutely. People expecting to get wasted on a Sunday afternoon stroll with their families on their way to the boat launch? No one saw it coming, and the sound of gun-fire is not unusual most places in the State..

This stuff often happens in the blink of an eye, often when no one has any reason to expect it, and the .likelihood of proper response in that moment of surprise is slim to none.

Throughout our history, in the last 30 years here, there've been too many similar incidents, though few with Silka's body count.