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HOW MANY CHILDREN NEED TO DIE BEFORE GUN LAWS CHANGE IN THE USA

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Hammerhead

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It's def a mental health issue. I'll keep saying that those in power are spreading lies making those with weak minds believe the BS they are being told. Being able to sort out who is being lied to is in short supply. They lose their shit and kill people. You can start blaming those people you elected that are spreading lies/BS/conspiracies. Millions can't seem to tell its BS.
 

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Do the staunch 2nd amendment guys & gals support felon ownership/access to firearms? In all cases?

Do you think a child should be able to purchase and use a firearm as soon as they can walk?

If not - regardless of how you justify it, you are supporting ownership controls. Some of us share that support, but think innocent lives could be saved by taking those controls further.
 
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Do the staunch 2nd amendment guys & gals support felon ownership/access to firearms?

If not - regardless of how you try & justify it, you are supportive of ownership controls. Some of us share that support but think innocent lives could be saved by taking those controls further.
for SOME (non-violent) felons, i'd have no problem with it. your propensity to embezzle from employers should not negate your right to self defense or ability to go duck hunting. if your crimes were akin to spouse abuse, aggravated assault and battery, stalking or the like, that's another story. it won't stop with "ownership controls" or "reasonable restrictions" though, and we both know that. only one of us has the balls to openly state that fact however.
 

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for SOME (non-violent) felons, i'd have no problem with it. your propensity to embezzle from employers should not negate your right to self defense or ability to go duck hunting. if your crimes were akin to spouse abuse, aggravated assault and battery, stalking or the like, that's another story. it won't stop with "ownership controls" or "reasonable restrictions" though, and we both know that. only one of us has the balls to openly state that fact however.
That is where it has stopped elsewhere - though I would say that depends on what you consider ‘reasonable restrictions’.
 
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“A cultural phenomenon, also known as the bandwagon effect, occurs when certain individuals behave a certain way merely because other individuals do as well. A cultural phenomenon also occurs when something or someone gains widespread popularity. This includes everything from films to musical artists to clothing styles to mass murder.

Mental health is the root of the problem but how that manifests itself in the world has a lot to do with culture.
modern American culture leaves many people feeling like they are invisible and disconnected.
Another aspect of American culture is the 24/7 bombardment of people with information through the media.
When someone commits a mass shooting they are made famous by the media. They plaster the persons name and face everywhere they can . This is the cause of the shootings.
The media has guaranteed these people a way to not be invisible any longer and in their deranged mental states they take action.(sometimes caused by medication, sometimes the lack of it)
The media has created the cultural phenomenon of mass school shootings.
a person can just as easily commit mass murder with a car on a sidewalk.
but that is much more rare for the reasons I stated above
 

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it's not a question about the number of guns. you are still hung up on a tool that is being misused by folks that have serious mental deficiencies. it is a "people" problem, and until everyone gets that, we won't make any headway. you don't control lunatics by controlling normal people. it doesn't help when the purported
"leader" of a major political party keeps calling for MORE violence, telling his followers that they need to get out into the streets and "fight like hell"...to keep him out of jail.
is that like the bitch max waters telling her people if they see a maga person get up in their face, tell them they are not wanted...etc..etc.... just wondering
 

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That is where it has stopped elsewhere - though I would say that depends on what you consider ‘reasonable restrictions’.
i lock up the brakes at giving them serial numbers (which is why i no longer buy new firearms these days), how many guns i own, etc. if they don't know what you have, and decide that they want to go beyond "reasonable restrictions", then they won't know where to look for what. a few years back, you could buy SKS's (semi-auto versions of the AK-47" for under $70 . lots were bought, and buried in PVC pipes with end caps glued on "just in case".
 

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When someone commits a mass shooting they are made famous by the media.
i have said for years that there should be no media coverage of the shooters. as you point out, many do it to try to be famous, so people will know who they are. i say try and convict them, and leave their anonymous ass in jail. no headlines or pictures ...well, "asshole gets forty years in shooting!" would be okay.
 

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@armedoldhippy I would say this type of thing has happened everywhere that has introduced restrictions. The hope would be that over time the overall number/percentage of restricted weapons will reduce as they are not replaced with new versions.
 

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@armedoldhippy I would say this type of thing has happened everywhere that has introduced restrictions. The hope would be that over time the overall number/percentage of restricted weapons will reduce as they are not replaced with new versions.
primitive gunsmiths in the mountains of Afghanistan & Pakistan make/repair full-auto AKs with little more than hacksaws, files, hammers, and a drill. imaging what your average decent machinist here in the states could make in his garage with the tools lying around... people in prisons here have built serviceable revolvers before. guns are not going away. sort of like the war on drugs...drugs won..
 

JKD

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primitive gunsmiths in the mountains of Afghanistan & Pakistan make/repair full-auto AKs with little more than hacksaws, files, hammers, and a drill. imaging what your average decent machinist here in the states could make in his garage with the tools lying around... people in prisons here have built serviceable revolvers before. guns are not going away. sort of like the war on drugs...drugs won..
No, they’re not going away. Hopefully the potentially restricted types reduce in number. If you’re relying on home machinists etc their production is still likely to be far below that of a firearms manufacturer, the availability far reduced compared to if they are sold in every gun store.
I’d also think they’d be more likely to be hidden away, so less likely to be stolen, or taken by a kid to school.
 
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primitive gunsmiths in the mountains of Afghanistan & Pakistan make/repair full-auto AKs with little more than hacksaws, files, hammers, and a drill. imaging what your average decent machinist here in the states could make in his garage with the tools lying around... people in prisons here have built serviceable revolvers before. guns are not going away. sort of like the war on drugs...drugs won..
In that theory wouldn't people in the UK have as many guns?
 
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it's not a question about the number of guns. you are still hung up on a tool that is being misused by folks that have serious mental deficiencies. it is a "people" problem, and until everyone gets that, we won't make any headway. you don't control lunatics by controlling normal people. it doesn't help when the purported
"leader" of a major political party keeps calling for MORE violence, telling his followers that they need to get out into the streets and "fight like hell"...to keep him out of jail.
So you agree it's a people problem.

Then why is everyone so hell bent on forbidding law enforcement from using tools to help identify those people who shouldn't own guns?
 

mean mr.mustard

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So you agree it's a people problem.

Then why is everyone so hell bent on forbidding law enforcement from using tools to help identify those people who shouldn't own guns?

There is a people problem with the people problem.

Americans value their privacy and also that would facilitate people losing their rights to own guns.

Any loss of gun ownership is terrifying for those who consider that a sign of unconstitutional overreach.

The last stand before the government tells them what to do is defending their rights. I understand why they feel that way.

We're going to be stuck for a while.

Considering the destabilizing whirlwind of COVID and the unrest the world over I'm surprised we aren't arming citizens and training them how to shoot.

If we started the Space Force why can't we fund some mercenaries and militia for some Red Dawn contingency...???

At least then these nut jobs might get it out of their system and not kill innocent people....
 

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