HOW MANY CHILDREN NEED TO DIE BEFORE GUN LAWS CHANGE IN THE USA

[mean mr.mustard]

So if more guns is the answer, when do we have enough guns to make children safe?

Is it 2 guns for every man, woman and child in America? 3 guns? 10? When's the tipping point to more safety? Can anyone answer me that?

I can only carry about a dozen safely.

Less if I need ammo.

Where did we land on landmines and hand grenades??

Guns are already expensive... imagine if there's less... could the market bear it?

Oh well let's watch the wheels go round boys and girls!!

 

[St. Phatty]

One of this morning's headlines, that 10 states are trying to enact AR15 bans.

and that the Supreme Court is poised to strike down the bans ?

I suspect the parents are grouping together to do home-schooling together.

another repercussion - why pay school taxes if the school can't keep your child safe ?

 

[GOT_BUD?]

''Total freedom'' has its price, with that being said I do oppose most people having guns mainly because they either will act out of pure emotion or evil doings. Just like true ''democracy'' also does not work because the majority of people will vote for what's best for them now temporarily, not for the long run of a nation. That politics exist today with all the advancements in computers/AI still amazes me too.

As ''an outsider looking in'' (I don't live in the US) I can say this: it's too late, there are no solutions for this issue, at all. There is such a culture in peoples head that do own guns that taking them away from them will cause a huge black market and this will in turn cause more issues.

As someone that opposed gun ownership for the majority of people, a strong argument against this which I have always been told by my gun loving friends is that ''well, if we ban the legal sales of guns, with there being so many guns in this country already, if we do that, the people that will get the guns are people that break the law anyways i.e. murderers criminals etc.'' So the ''common man/law abiding man'' can not buy a legally to defend him/herself.

This is a non-issue in Europe as the gunscene is so deep and dark for 95% of people that they would not even attempt it, but in the US the gun scene is and has been so open for the last couple 100 years, changing it would come with a lot of opposition and I think there will be a lot of ''sacrifice'' needed and maybe a next 100 years to get the situation to be like it is today in Europe (which is far superior of course)

So my rusty 2 cents, like I tell all people: for the US there is no solution, sometimes when you do a math equation, the answer is ''no solution'', as I do think math in some ways does reflect life, I truly belief some problems (at this time, next 100+ years, a lifetime so for all of us, in our time meaning, ''forever'' because you can't change anything after you're dead) have no solution.

I agree. There is no "single" solution. It's going to take 10-12 policy changes enacted at the Federal level to have a substantial impact on gun violence. And most of them have nothing to do with the guns themselves.

But nobody wants to hear that. It's all binary thinking. It's always either A or B. It's never A and B plus C, D, E, F, G, H, and I. That requires compromise. And we just can't have that now can we?

 

[awwc]

I agree. There is no "single" solution. It's going to take 10-12 policy changes enacted at the Federal level to have a substantial impact on gun violence. And most of them have nothing to do with the guns themselves.

But nobody wants to hear that. It's all binary thinking. It's always either A or B. It's never A and B plus C, D, E, F, G, H, and I. That requires compromise. And we just can't have that now can we?

Hey a sensible rational human being, do you even exist?

 

[zachrockbadenof]

One of this morning's headlines, that 10 states are trying to enact AR15 bans.

and that the Supreme Court is poised to strike down the bans ?

I suspect the parents are grouping together to do home-schooling together.

another repercussion - why pay school taxes if the school can't keep your child safe ?

you be the 1st to stop paying your school tax.... see what that gets you

 

[GOT_BUD?]

Dont worry. He has guns to protect himself from an oppressive government.

 

[JKD]

Dont worry. He has guns to protect himself from an oppressive government.

He’s armed! Let him go!

 

[audiohi]

I understand exactly what you are saying but I don't believe in your idea for the solution. It's ok to disagree . I just feel like schools should be more heavily protected . We protect banks , jewelry , politicians , movie stars , with firearms . Maybe it's time we protect our schools a little bit better. There is billions of firearms in the us . Almost every single school shooter was on anti depressants and mood stabilizers. Maybe we should just ban those instead .

is that working?

Police: 5 dead, 6 injured, including police officer; shooter dead​

The incident reportedly took place inside the Old National Bank.​

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https://www.whas11.com/article/news...ille/417-8afe3817-06fe-44aa-bb8b-7ff56d8e5e2a

 

[awwc]

Dont worry. He has guns to protect himself from an oppressive government.

Most definitely his guns will be a great match to the destroyers, air bombers, cruisemissiles and other goodies, lol. The argument of ''first thing a dictatorship does is take away weapons from the people'' implies it was a militarized state to begin with.

Like I said, I'm not camp ''Ban all weapons in the US!'' Definitely too late for that, but also not camp ''More weapons for civilians'', I'm where the truth is, like usual the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[Hammerhead]

What do you expect when the 1 side of the gov spreads lies/fears/anger to the sheep. Their minds can't cope so they lose it and kill anyone. These dumbasses have kids who also learn that shit and go murder children. If we don't want the country to be dominated by dumbasses stop voting for the wrong people who end up radicalizing the public.

 

[sleazyB]

is that working?

Police: 5 dead, 6 injured, including police officer; shooter dead​

The incident reportedly took place inside the Old National Bank.​

​

https://www.whas11.com/article/news...ille/417-8afe3817-06fe-44aa-bb8b-7ff56d8e5e2a

It's better than no security . Banning guns isn't the answer . They banned pot, coke, heroin, fentanyl . How's that working out

 

[audiohi]

It's better than no security . Banning guns isn't the answer . They banned pot, coke, heroin, fentanyl . How's that working out

I'm not sure how to answer that...

pretty well?

being killed by someone with pot, coke, heroine, or fentanyl is very low on my list of fears when I venture into the community

 

[Hammerhead]

Cannabis shouldn't be on that list. The others sure. FYI cannabis is legal in more states than not.

 

[sleazyB]

I'm not sure how to answer that...

pretty well?

being killed by someone with pot, coke, heroine, or fentanyl is very low on my list of fears when I venture into the community

Fentanyl kills more people every year than guns . We're is the outrage to ban that ?

 

[sleazyB]

Cannabis shouldn't be on that list. The others sure. FYI cannabis is legal in more states than not.

I know man. Im just stating that there is already so many out there that a new ban wouldn't help much in my opinion. Yeah weed should definitely not be on there lol. It's a problem with society and mental health . All the pharmacy dope they give to kids sure isn't helping either . I.e . Depression meds , mood stabilizers and what not

 

[Hammerhead]

If you haven't heard Opiates are banned/regulated and many laws have changed because of the overdoses caused.

 

[Hammerhead]

I've seen major outrage because of opiate deaths. Not sure what you seeing., Our gov can not control the illegal market ever !!..

Guns are LEGAL!!!

 

[JKD]

Controls around access as is done in some ‘minimal gun violence’ countries rather than outright banning. Difficult to know where to start in the US with so many firearms already out there and what would be considered an over the top gun culture elsewhere. Personally I’m not a fan of ownership being an absolute right, IMO it contributes to too many firearms in the wrong hands. I don’t feel individual freedom to own a lethal weapon > the right of innocent victims to live. It seems an incredibly selfish mindset. Increased firearms/capita correlates to increased firearm deaths, (do your own homework and look it up if you doubt) based on past statistics that show this, the argument to get more firearms out there for safety frankly seems ridiculous.

 

[St. Phatty]

When does it get called what it is, a Civil War ?

A very STRANGE Civil War.

One of the strange things about it is, the true character of the Mass Shooters is hidden from the public.

Their beefs - some of which are legitimate, their diet, their individual beliefs, the drugs they take, their writings.

I would archive all of that in one place, and give the public access to the information.

And I would house the shooters that survive in something like a Zoo, so the public can ask them questions.

But for some reason the US government chooses to hide the details of the shooters' lives.

The US gov. is AFRAID of something about some of the mass shooters.

 

[armedoldhippy]

So if more guns is the answer, when do we have enough guns to make children safe?

Is it 2 guns for every man, woman and child in America? 3 guns? 10? When's the tipping point to more safety? Can anyone answer me that?

it's not a question about the number of guns. you are still hung up on a tool that is being misused by folks that have serious mental deficiencies. it is a "people" problem, and until everyone gets that, we won't make any headway. you don't control lunatics by controlling normal people. it doesn't help when the purported
"leader" of a major political party keeps calling for MORE violence, telling his followers that they need to get out into the streets and "fight like hell"...to keep him out of jail.