HOW MANY CHILDREN NEED TO DIE BEFORE GUN LAWS CHANGE IN THE USA

[zachrockbadenof]

The options we have are ZERO when one political party refuses to fix our broken gun laws. The only option left to protect our kids is to arm every person in the USA and allow them to carry them anytime/anyplace. Just like the wild west used to be.

which party is refusing to fix the laws??? - if you are referring to the rep's, the dem's didn't need any rep votes when obama was in office - at some point they controlled all 3 branches... and still nothing was done... its a fucking sad state of affairs...

 

[Hammerhead]

which party is refusing to fix the laws??? - if you are referring to the rep's, the dem's didn't need any rep votes when obama was in office - at some point they controlled all 3 branches... and still nothing was done... its a fucking sad state of affairs...

Did you really ask that lol. Our gun problems have always been predominantly caused by the lack of 1 party THE REPUBLICANS !!!!!!.. Its not just guns they screwed up. When have you ever seen a Rep POTUS say anything like Obama on guns.. I'll wait. No POTUS can change gun laws.

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama’s plan to strengthen controls on guns in the U.S. is meeting swift resistance from gun rights groups, Republicans and even a few Democrats who say it’s up to Congress to enact new policies on firearms.

Republicans Unveil Bill to Make AR-15-Style Rifle the “National Gun"​

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

ANYONE who believes removing guns is the solution is actually part of the problem.

Americans have ALWAYS had more access to guns than almost every other nation since it began. Yet America has only a recent history of multiple mass shootings the last few decades.

The dipshit social programming and seriously fcked up 'beliefs' of the common man is what's dangerous. Have you actually watched what passes for television these days? Have you really looked at how fcked up people's ideas about life are and how little useful information they actually know?

America is now full of scared, ignorant and Rx/food-additive medicated people with mood and self control issues. OF COURSE THEY ARE DANGEROUS WITH GUNS.

The food, education and psychological stability is what needs work, not removing guns like your govt wants.

Shame on you for watching garbage on tv or social media and coming here with an anti-gun attitude.

Grow some brains and think for yourself for once. Thanks.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

Did you really ask that lol. Our gun problems have always been predominantly caused by the lack of 1 party THE REPUBLICANS !!!!!!.. Its not just guns they screwed up.

ok... the rep's are responsible (i don't disagree), but why didn't the dem's, they OWNED all 3 branches do anything??? simple question...

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Every male in Switzerland used to be (still is?) required to own a rifle and ammunition.

Where are all their mass shootings??

 

[audiohi]

I saved reading 44 pages because this statement explains exactly what the fix is. People dont fack around when everyone around them is a capable fack around artist.

I'm pretty sure that's @Three Berries argument when it comes to Chicago

 

[zachrockbadenof]

Every male in Switzerland used to be (still is?) required to own a rifle and ammunition.

Where are all their mass shootings??

they are too busy yodelling .....

 

[Hammerhead]

Every male in Switzerland used to be (still is?) required to own a rifle and ammunition.

Where are all their mass shootings??

They don't have nut job politicians/POTUS telling them lies and false narratives. If they were told the same BS as here they would also act out. Once people believe someone is trying to do harm to their country who wouldn't lose their shit. It leads back to the mental stability of the USA. It's in the toilet.

NEVER BELIEVE A WORD ANY POLITICIAN SAYS. THIS INCLUDES ANY POTUS.

People today think some are GOD.

 

[unclefishstick]

ok... the rep's are responsible (i don't disagree), but why didn't the dem's, they OWNED all 3 branches do anything??? simple question...

mitch fucking maconnell... who famously said "you aint getting jack done" or words to that effect...so yeah,cracker ass republicans basically refused to help obama

 

[Hammerhead]

I should add some Dem representing Republican districts. Their political ideologies are in line with Republicans.. It will always be about power and how to hold onto it.

 

[JKD]

Every male in Switzerland used to be (still is?) required to own a rifle and ammunition.

Where are all their mass shootings??

Switzerland still has less guns/capita than the US, better firearm training & a healthier gun culture - they still have a higher firearm homicide rate than similar countries with stricter laws - they still conform to the more guns/capita = more homicides/gun violence/capita statistic, they still have mass shootings. Switzerland provides one of the strongest pro-gun examples, and it always surprises me that they’re seldom mentioned in these discussions. NRA type arguments & attitudes are now being used in Switzerland (and elsewhere), perhaps this will lead to some changes.

There are several reputable studies for the no-change people too, but I never see those referenced in these discussions either.

Re your earlier post: mass/school shootings in the US go all the way back to the 1700s, but the rate at which they occur & the number of victims has definitely increased as firearms have ‘improved’ and as TV, the internet & Mass Shooting Contagion have taken hold.

Where it has been said that contagion began with Columbine, I would say there’s an argument that it began with the Hungerford massacre.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

mitch fucking maconnell... who famously said "you aint getting jack done" or words to that effect...so yeah,cracker ass republicans basically refused to help obama

if u have a majority in the house... and the senate... n hold the presidency .... u don't need that fukin asshole mc'connel for anything... other then to wipe your ass...

in 2009-2011 in the senate the dem's had 57seats, and in the house 257 seats- large majorities , and obama was the pres..... so why no gun laws????

u guys are beating up the rep's.... and for good reason, but i saw nil/nada/bullshit done when the dems owned EVERYTHING... please explain...

 

[Frosty Nuggets]

The latest one livestreamed it so he would be famous, so what does the news do, they plaster his face and name all over the TV news making him more famous, giving him what he wants.

 

[JKD]

The latest one livestreamed it so he would be famous, so what does the news do, they plaster his face and name all over the TV news making him more famous, giving him what he wants.

I wish they would create and enforce robust laws against any organisation or individual that shows images of the scene unfolding, or shows/names the perpetrator of any of these murders. An international accord.

 

[Hammerhead]

The media is def a problem. The 1st thing they do is ask people that just went through a tragedy some stupid shit. You won't find a different answer when your child is killed.

 

[JKD]

The media is def a problem. The 1st thing they do is ask people that just went through a tragedy some stupid shit. You won't find a different answer when your child is killed.

Should be able to sue them for emotional harm. I’ve always hated that shit with the media, but if people overall didn’t lap it up & give it attention, they wouldn’t do it.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

President Barack Obama’s plan to strengthen controls on guns in the U.S. is meeting swift resistance from gun rights groups, Republicans and even a few Democrats who say it’s up to Congress to enact new policies on firearms.

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i'm still waiting for an answer why when the dem's held all the cards... fuck-all happened

 

[Hammerhead]

i'm still waiting for an answer why when the dem's held all the cards... fuck-all happened

Its never cut and dry with politics. You will never get an answer to questions like that. It's not difficult to tell which party is open to changing gun laws.

 

[JKD]

i'm still waiting for an answer why when the dem's held all the cards... fuck-all happened

This is a straight cut & paste from GPT-4 if you wanted to investigate any of its responses further:

While President Barack Obama was a vocal proponent of stronger gun control measures throughout his presidency, several factors hindered the passage of comprehensive legislation during his time in office.

1. Political opposition: The Republican Party, which generally opposes gun control measures, controlled Congress for much of Obama's presidency. This made it difficult for any substantial gun control legislation to pass through both the House of Representatives and the Senate.
2. Second Amendment concerns: The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. Many Americans view any attempt to regulate firearms as an infringement upon their constitutional rights, which has made it challenging to pass comprehensive gun control legislation.
3. National Rifle Association (NRA): The NRA is a powerful lobbying organization that advocates for gun rights and has significant influence on American politics. The group has historically opposed most gun control measures and has worked to ensure that politicians who support gun control face political consequences.
4. Public opinion: While there is substantial support for some gun control measures among the American public, there is still a significant portion of the population that opposes such measures. This division in public opinion can make it difficult for politicians to take a strong stance on gun control without alienating a portion of their constituents.

Although Obama was unable to pass major gun control legislation during his presidency, he did implement some executive actions aimed at addressing gun violence. These actions included improving the background check system, providing better mental health care, and researching gun violence as a public health issue. However, these executive actions did not have the same impact as comprehensive legislation might have had.

 

[Three Berries]

You people seem to think these are random assaults? I would guess they all have a handler/therapist somewhere in their life. Kind of funny how the louder the rhetoric gets on gun control the more attacks there are. With the amount of guns in the US outnumbering people (according to the media), if guns are the problem then there would be a lot more shootings.