HOW MANY CHILDREN NEED TO DIE BEFORE GUN LAWS CHANGE IN THE USA

[Dime]

Trudeau told Canadians shooting someone who breaks into your home is not a right you have after a man shot 2 armed intruders who were holding up his family. I would rather have the right to bear arms to eliminate the debate.That's preposterous

Read through any number of global freedom indexes to find out why the US is considered ‘less free’. You can do that yourself.

So you got nothing then?
Trudeau told Canadians shooting someone who breaks into your home is not a right you have after a man shot 2 armed intruders who were holding up his family. I would rather have the right to bear arms to eliminate the debate.

 

[JKD]

Trudeau told Canadians shooting someone who breaks into your home is not a right you have after a man shot 2 armed intruders who were holding up his family. I would rather have the right to bear arms to eliminate the debate.That's preposterous

So you got nothing then?
Trudeau told Canadians shooting someone who breaks into your home is not a right you have after a man shot 2 armed intruders who were holding up his family. I would rather have the right to bear arms to eliminate the debate.

Are you not capable of searching ‘freedom index’ and reading the rankings and criteria?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I would rather have the right to bear arms to eliminate the debate.

I will agree with the sentiment that having a gun when you need it for defense is absolutely a right I will defend.

But the other side of my response is that freedom is definitely being infringed if we have to make choices against getting shot...

How many people are in fear of getting shot going to the store while they are fearing for their children as they sit in school in countries that don't have public gun ownership?

I can see both sides and I certainly entertain the role of devil's advocate...

 

[Dime]

Are you not capable of searching ‘freedom index’ and reading the rankings and criteria?

Why would I? It's your argument. I will search to back up my argument.

 

[Dime]

I will agree with the sentiment that having a gun when you need it for defense is absolutely a right I will defend.

But the other side of my response is that freedom is definitely being infringed if we have to make choices against getting shot...

How many people are in fear of getting shot going to the store while they are fearing for their children as they sit in school in countries that don't have public gun ownership?

I can see both sides and I certainly entertain the role of devil's advocate...

I agree but there is less worry about getting shot if I have one at least I have a chance. Those people are not legal responsible owners either and I doubt they will give them up. I'm all for disarming the nutters but that's not how it would play out. I don't even own a gun because of where I live or hunt but I do support others rights to do so. If you take gun rights away then it dominoes

 

[JKD]

Why would I? It's your argument. I will search to back up my argument.

I guess we have different approaches to gaining insight. I will tend to look for information from many positions to inform my opinion.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

It's a slippery slope that we're already on.

I used to think that we should all be allowed to have fully automatic weapons and they were infringing on our rights in 1986.

I'm looking around these days and I'm not sure if people are just dumber and meaner but I have certainly changed my mind.

I think it's a little late for policy entailing removal of guns from public ownership.

Children in class are unarmed and they should remain so.

It's a slippery slope and we are certainly sliding... I don't want you to not have a gun if you need it, but I don't want your kid to grab it and kill mine arbitrarily.

 

[Dime]

I guess we have different approaches to gaining insight. I will tend to look for information from many positions to inform my opinion.

I suppose so, thx for the replies,it enlightens.

 

[armedoldhippy]

It's a slippery slope that we're already on.

I used to think that we should all be allowed to have fully automatic weapons and they were infringing on our rights in 1986.

I'm looking around these days and I'm not sure if people are just dumber and meaner but I have certainly changed my mind.

I think it's a little late for policy entailing removal of guns from public ownership.

Children in class are unarmed and they should remain so.

It's a slippery slope and we are certainly sliding... I don't want you to not have a gun if you need it, but I don't want your kid to grab it and kill mine arbitrarily.

i originally started clicking lines from your post to reply to, and realized it would be a lot simpler to just quote the whole damn thing and just say

 

[mean mr.mustard]

i originally started clicking lines from your post to reply to, and realized it would be a lot simpler to just quote the whole damn thing and just say

Glad to help!

I guess I should add that I was furious to find that body armor wasn't available to everyone.... I think body armor shouldn't be unavailable to anyone.

But then I realized that the only people who can't buy/wear it are violent felons... I still don't see it that way but can understand how people can.

So again (just like with self defense) I'm pretty sure that if you are wearing it and need it perhaps a jury could see it that way... even if you were a felon.

 

[armedoldhippy]

ever see the video of the body-armor clad bank robbers shooting it out with LEO (i think it was out in Californistan) a few years back? those old boys laughed off repeated hits from pistol and shotgun rounds while laying waste to everything around them with illegally possessed full auto rifles. they likely would have gotten away if some of the LEO had not ran to a nearby gun shop & get a few long guns themselves. most cops carry an AR in patrol cars now it seems.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

ever see the video of the body-armor clad bank robbers shooting it out with LEO (i think it was out in Californistan) a few years back? those old boys laughed off repeated hits from pistol and shotgun rounds while laying waste to everything around them with illegally possessed full auto rifles. they likely would have gotten away if some of the LEO had not ran to a nearby gun shop & get a few long guns themselves. most cops carry an AR in patrol cars now it seems.

It was likely the barbiturates that helped them out as much as the body armor.

I read that they made their own kevlar.

Every police force should have a few snipers and some good rifles.

 

[Frosty Nuggets]

EVERY dictatorship in the world first disarms it's people, when the people are armed the government fears them as it should after all they are there to serve the people not the other way around, when the people are disarmed they fear the government which is tyranny.

Some videos exposing the psy-op that happened in 1996 to disarm Australia, done by an SAS soldier NOT Martin Bryant;











https://www.bitchute.com/video/AsGH2GabZ0Wd/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/OuNIaoYwyxsL/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/m99BAbAxntAh/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/hQtkIRwm5IGu/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/HqgcQClbEdnl/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FRk76ZZ6NAKx/

 

[awwc]

''Total freedom'' has its price, with that being said I do oppose most people having guns mainly because they either will act out of pure emotion or evil doings. Just like true ''democracy'' also does not work because the majority of people will vote for what's best for them now temporarily, not for the long run of a nation. That politics exist today with all the advancements in computers/AI still amazes me too.

As ''an outsider looking in'' (I don't live in the US) I can say this: it's too late, there are no solutions for this issue, at all. There is such a culture in peoples head that do own guns that taking them away from them will cause a huge black market and this will in turn cause more issues.

As someone that opposed gun ownership for the majority of people, a strong argument against this which I have always been told by my gun loving friends is that ''well, if we ban the legal sales of guns, with there being so many guns in this country already, if we do that, the people that will get the guns are people that break the law anyways i.e. murderers criminals etc.'' So the ''common man/law abiding man'' can not buy a legally to defend him/herself.

This is a non-issue in Europe as the gunscene is so deep and dark for 95% of people that they would not even attempt it, but in the US the gun scene is and has been so open for the last couple 100 years, changing it would come with a lot of opposition and I think there will be a lot of ''sacrifice'' needed and maybe a next 100 years to get the situation to be like it is today in Europe (which is far superior of course)

So my rusty 2 cents, like I tell all people: for the US there is no solution, sometimes when you do a math equation, the answer is ''no solution'', as I do think math in some ways does reflect life, I truly belief some problems (at this time, next 100+ years, a lifetime so for all of us, in our time meaning, ''forever'' because you can't change anything after you're dead) have no solution.

 

[MrGs]

I think schools in general should be online . Their is no reason my kids should know the teachers first name , religion, sexual tendencies, who they are married to , what they do on weekends . I remember going to school and only knowing teachers by their last name .... that's it . I really think considering all things transportation, infrastructure, teachers salary, safety it should be online and up to the parents to help the children understand . That would eliminate thousands of teachers salaries etc. And the kids are safe at home . 95% of usa will never see a shooting in their lifetime , its probably hard for people in Europe or other small countries to understand because they live like compacted rats in countries the size of us states , ride busses trains bicycles everywhere with other people everyday so it seems scary but the violence in usa is really limited to isolated area's in cities and the occasional wacko that shoots up a school or mall which is really low percentage considering the population and how big the usa is . Guns are not going anywhere, even if they outlawed guns thousands would make them and people would buy . Every country has issues I look at all the laws rules Europe has and think screw that . People being arrested for words online , street cameras for traffic tickets , telling farmers what they are allowed to do with their land the list goes on and people from Europe will say its whats best for everyone... um no screw that . I'll take my chances with guns knowing I'll probably go my whole life without ever seeing one pulled out and used on another person

 

[awwc]

I think schools in general should be online . Their is no reason my kids should know the teachers first name , religion, sexual tendencies, who they are married to , what they do on weekends . I remember going to school and only knowing teachers by their last name .... that's it . I really think considering all things transportation, infrastructure, teachers salary, safety it should be online and up to the parents to help the children understand . That would eliminate thousands of teachers salaries etc. And the kids are safe at home . 95% of usa will never see a shooting in their lifetime , its probably hard for people in Europe or other small countries to understand because they live like compacted rats in countries the size of us states , ride busses trains bicycles everywhere with other people everyday so it seems scary but the violence in usa is really limited to isolated area's in cities and the occasional wacko that shoots up a school or mall which is really low percentage considering the population and how big the usa is . Guns are not going anywhere, even if they outlawed guns thousands would make them and people would buy . Every country has issues I look at all the laws rules Europe has and think screw that . People being arrested for words online , street cameras for traffic tickets , telling farmers what they are allowed to do with their land the list goes on and people from Europe will say its whats best for everyone... um no screw that . I'll take my chances with guns knowing I'll probably go my whole life without ever seeing one pulled out and used on another person

Real question: what is the highest level of (self) education you have enjoyed and also, have you ever traveled outside the US, to a European or Asian country for example?

 

[Frosty Nuggets]

Banning semi-auto's in Australia has not stopped a man using one the other day to scare people, he shot at the ground.
If guns are outlawed ONLY outlaws will have guns.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

So if more guns is the answer, when do we have enough guns to make children safe?

Is it 2 guns for every man, woman and child in America? 3 guns? 10? When's the tipping point to more safety? Can anyone answer me that?

 

[buzzmobile]

 

[GOT_BUD?]

If guns are outlawed ONLY outlaws will have guns.

Wow. So prophetic and wise. Did you come up with that all by yourself?