HOW MANY CHILDREN NEED TO DIE BEFORE GUN LAWS CHANGE IN THE USA

[armedoldhippy]

As 3 berries said it's the pyschopaths not the guns.

they are not all psychopaths. a vast majority, but not all. evil is real. i rarely agree with 3berries (VERY rarely) but this time i do. it would not surprise me if a gun-phobic individual killed a bunch of children in an attempt to make a point about the need for more "gun control". "see? i TOLD you so..." to some folks, the end result (confiscating firearms) would justify the means to that end (killing children in order to "save" them) sort of like the skewed "logic" the US army employed at times in Viet Nam - "we had to destroy the village in order to save them..." WTF???

 

[JKD]

As 3 berries said it's the pyschopaths not the guns. They will kill kids without guns too.The right to bear arms is the reason the US is the most free country in the world. Without it,the government has carte blanche,the founding fathers knew this.

“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.”
Mao Tse Tung

Psychopaths can still cause harm without firearms, but access to firearms makes their actions far more lethal.

Every country has mentally ill citizens. Who else has regular school shootings?

What makes you imagine the US is ‘the most free’ country in the world?

‘The government’ has tanks, missiles, fighter jets, swat teams, intelligence services etc etc. It’s the system of checks and balances that keeps the government in check - maybe even its’ elections, rather than lightly armed militias.

If all political power comes from the barrel of a gun, why does the US have elections rather than perpetual civil war?

 

[JKD]

they are not all psychopaths. a vast majority, but not all. evil is real. i rarely agree with 3berries (VERY rarely) but this time i do. it would not surprise me if a gun-phobic individual killed a bunch of children in an attempt to make a point about the need for more "gun control". "see? i TOLD you so..." to some folks, the end result (confiscating firearms) would justify the means to that end (killing children in order to "save" them) sort of like the skewed "logic" the US army employed at times in Viet Nam - "we had to destroy the village in order to save them..." WTF???

There’ve been dozens of school shootings. This argument remains hypothetical. If it were to happen it would be a tragedy. It would also be one shooting among many, and unfortunately likely to be followed by many, many more.

 

[Frosty Nuggets]

If every US citizen had ready access to hand grenades, not only would there be no corresponding increase in grenade related deaths, but responsible grenade owners could then use their grenades to protect themselves & their fellow citizens.

Reductio ad absurdem.

 

[JKD]

Reductio ad absurdem.

Well done Frosty

— By taking the argument to an extreme, the statement highlights the absurdity of the underlying assumption and indirectly critiques the idea that more weapons necessarily lead to increased safety.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Every country has mentally ill citizens.

many developed nations have better health care, both mental and physical. shootings largely happen in the softest targets- schools, churches, nightclubs, someplace where there won't be much (if any) resistance. when was the last time some damn fool went into a police station and opened fire? many instances of violence are perpetrated solely to cause outrage, or hoping to start even more trouble. this has been happening for decades, since before Helter Skelter was painted on a wall up to today with the likes of the boogaloo bois et al hoping for a civil war that they imagined themselves winning ...

 

[armedoldhippy]

If all political power comes from the barrel of a gun, why does the US have elections rather than perpetual civil war?

we are still fighting our FIRST civil war, in case you hadn't noticed. "the past is not in the past, it's not even over" - not sure who this quote belongs to...

 

[armedoldhippy]

the idea that more weapons necessarily lead to increased safety.

this idea is much like the MAD principle that kept the West & Russia from launching nuclear attacks for decades. if EVERYONE in a crowded room has a sawed-off shotgun, you'd have to be really tired of living to raise yours up & aim it at anyone. "an armed society is a polite society". this holds true among rational people. NOTHING holds true among suicidal/homicidal individuals. they are somewhat like the hilarious "sovereign citizens"; they reject the laws, mores, and customs of society because they are "special"...

 

[Hammerhead]

Reading the last few pages some are clearly confused in what should/needs to happen with gun laws. .

"Guns don't kill it's the mentally ill that kill" This is what's used most.

Our current gun laws don't prevent anyone from buying or owning guns that have mental issues. Most with mental problems can buy a gun. Our gun laws do not stop the mentally ill from planning to kill kids or anyone as fast as possible. The gun of choice is high capacity semi auto firearms. There is a reason this is the gun of choice. These types of firearms mow down many in a short time, causing catastrophic internal damage. The survivability from being shot by .223 or 5.56×45mm is pretty low. There is no reasonable answer to justify the need for weapons of war to the public. There is no path to success if the public had to fight our GOV. This is 100% political in nature as one side always thinks the other is corrupt.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

The USA doesn't have a well regulated Malita. Only nut jobs that call themselves a Militia.

Not possible for the public to be the security force for any state. You would be locked up for trying this.

The right to keep and bear arms. Sure but not weapons of war. The risk to public safety outways any right to weapons of war.

The 2nd Amendment was written when our GOV had no clue how deadly firearms would become. There is no reason or need for weapons like ARs for the public.


If I had a choice of being shot by an .223 or a 9mm . I'll choose the 9mm all day.

 

[Loc Dog]

I'm afraid there is going to be a civil war in the US before long.

I am looking at Mexico and Thailand. I have a lot of dogs so Mexico is easier but Thailand is paradise.

 

[Loc Dog]

Reading the last few pages some are clearly confused in what should/needs to happen with gun laws. .

"Guns don't kill it's the mentally ill that kill" This is what's used most.

Our current gun laws don't prevent anyone from buying or owning guns that have mental issues. Most with mental problems can buy a gun. Our gun laws do not stop the mentally ill from planning to kill kids or anyone as fast as possible. The gun of choice is high capacity semi auto firearms. There is a reason this is the gun of choice. These types of firearms mow down many in a short time, causing catastrophic internal damage. The survivability from being shot by .223 or 5.56×45mm is pretty low. There is no reasonable answer to justify the need for weapons of war to the public. There is no path to success if the public had to fight our GOV. This is 100% political in nature as one side always thinks the other is corrupt.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

The USA doesn't have a well regulated Malita. Only nut jobs that call themselves a Militia.

Not possible for the public to be the security force for any state. You would be locked up for trying this.

The right to keep and bear arms. Sure but not weapons of war. The risk to public safety outways any right to weapons of war.

The 2nd Amendment was written when our GOV had no clue how deadly firearms would become. There is no reason or need for weapons like ARs for the public.


If I had a choice of being shot by an .223 or a 9mm . I'll choose the 9mm all day.

It is used as fear mongering issue so both parties owned by same people can continue the kleptocracy.

 

[Slim Pickens]

I agree that something needs to be done, but not by outlawing guns. Here in good Ol' Oregon they want to initiate getting permits from your Local Sheriff...background checks..and all that. Imagine paying a fee for a right that you already are guaranteed? That just doesn't sound right to me, but tons of well meaning folks voted for it. Once you start giving up your rights (whether you had to pay a fee for it or not) you'll never get it back. Outlawing or restricting gun ownership won't stop the problem. There will always be a way to kill people whether there are guns or not.

M-O-O-N spells no way.

 

[Loc Dog]

I agree that something needs to be done, but not by outlawing guns. Here in good Ol' Oregon they want to initiate getting permits from your Local Sheriff...background checks..and all that. Imagine paying a fee for a right that you already are guaranteed? That just doesn't sound right to me, but tons of well meaning folks voted for it. Once you start giving up your rights (whether you had to pay a fee for it or not) you'll never get it back. Outlawing or restricting gun ownership won't stop the problem. There will always be a way to kill people whether there are guns or not.

M-O-O-N spells no way.

Try living in fascist NJ NYC area. I would not wish that on any decent person. London alone has 40K stabbings a year. US has about 12K gun killings not by police and not suicide. 75% suicide which would just be done anther way. Invest in helping the poor, ejderly and people with problems and not 1.3 trillion a year on military waste, corporate and foreign welfare.

 

[Hammerhead]

All guns kill. Semi auto AR .223 was specifically made for war to kill people. People are nuts to think their lives would be negatively impacted if they couldn't buy/own an AR. At the very least make it much harder to buy/own one. You can still buy a bolt action .223 rifle.

 

[audiohi]

It's not the guns that are the problem. It's crazy people. Put them in mental intuitions instead of glorifying their mental illness.

How many children die from abortion?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Who cares if they get shot.... the kids are CROSSDRESSING!!!

 

[Bush Dr]

Muskets didn’t fire 950 rounds a minute

 

[Three Berries]

Sometimes they need to shoot a few kids before anyone starts thinking they’ve got a mental illness.

You didn’t give a number.

Protect the 3rd!!

If you could get your crazy libs from shooting up the place the numbers would be a lot lower. Lets talk about the black on black crime in Chicago and the kids that get shot? Where they don't even bother to arrest you let along prosecute for crimes. Defund the police and let EMTs and social workers take care of the problem. LOL what a bunch of fools.

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[St. Phatty]

Muskets didn’t fire 950 rounds a minute

The whole point of the 2nd Amendment is to give the General Public the resources to protect themselves against an oppressive government.

That oppressive government uses full-auto rifles to attack the General Public.

The General Public has access to semi-auto & bolt action, which both come in very handy when the Government Parasites pay a visit.

As far as Protecting Schoolchildren - I give up trying to explain the very obvious solution - that does not involve gun control - except on school grounds.

 

[Nannymouse]

Yup, muskets and black powder rifles were a lot different than what there is available today. If one of those would be used in a crowd, that would be suicide by being kicked to death.

If the govt comes for a person, even a fully automatic will not save that person's ass. And even if a person escapes the first round...well, where does a person hide out? I wonder how many of the 'tourists' from Jan6 are still on the lam, if they were really wanted by the govt.

Not much gun violence is aimed at the govt, mostly aimed at unarmed 'peers'.

Personally, i don't want to give up guns. I would like to see parents being held responsible for not keeping guns out of kids paws. Though i still wonder how to do that if keeping a weapon handy for possible home protection. So, i don't have the answer that would keep kids (or anyone else) 100% safe. My personal 'line in the sand' is any weapon that will take out dozens of people in a minute.