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HOW MANY CHILDREN NEED TO DIE BEFORE GUN LAWS CHANGE IN THE USA
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When i heard this, i immediately wanted to ask this State Rep what he would prefer...if an armed person entered his 'auditorium' with a weapon that was intended to kill people, would the Rep prefer the person was armed with a .22 pistol or an automatic(or semi) weapon? Why not hand grenades?
Don't even think that i'm against ownership. My nephew is a state champion in skeet, twice. Most all of the family has hunted since we were old enough. I don't know of any of us that are still in the NRA, though.
The number one killer of kids is gunshot. As for me, whatever it takes to change that, without a total ban on ownership, something needs to be done. I know that some are adamant that automatic weapons be legal, and although that's their preference, it sure isn't mine. (call me old fashioned) Still, there are control methods, even for the automatics and semi-automatics. As far as home safety, i cannot think of a likely scenario that a shotgun and pistol wouldn't cover.
In NC, we lived directly next door to militia members. They were the most disgusting neighbors that i've ever lived near. The dogshit was so thick on their floors that there were paths where the shit was thinner because it was pushed up on the sides of the path. Dogshit under the baby's crib. Domestic fights, cops involved (i didn't call, must've been another neighbor). I sure as hell didn't feel safer with them next door, with the dogs and guns. So, anyway, i have experienced 'radicals' on 'both sides'. Not impressed with either.
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Three Berries
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Automatic weapons' were used?
@Three Berries , i dunno if you are addressing me. From the title of this thread, i've assumed that this was not a discussion of one particular event. And for me, although i know the difference between fully auto and semi auto, they are both in the same category (to me) as being able to mow down a large number of people in a very short amount of time. I've broken down and re-assembled an AR15 a few times, so not completely ignorant of how it is or what it is capable of. Probably my favorite memories are of helping to put together a black powder rifle (did get a pro to do the boring) and hunting gophers with it.
What I find amusing is folks like 3B think us commie libruls aren't armed. That we all think "guns are scary".
When the reality is vast majority of most of my liberal minded friends own at least one gun, with several just like me who own several "scary & evil AR15s". We have zero problems registering our weapons with the Feds if required to do so because we know NO ONE IS COMING FOR OUR GUNS unless we become a danger to ourselves or others. Which I agree with.
I have no problems waiting 10 days for a new gun because I've waited 16 months for a suppressor to clear the NFA process.
The real reason 3B and his ilk pray to the 2nd Amendment is because if we had our way, dangerous lunatics who believe in grand conspiracies and believe only one Orange Man can save them are obviously living in a delusional state and shouldn't own the one thing that defines their sad little, pathetic lives - guns.
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Guns are implements, tools. They cannot kill anyone.
What is starting to happen where guns are highly restricted is blade attacks and car rammings. Society in general is going south (this is a recurring thing and not permanent, I hope). Its too simplistic to think that by removing the prevalence of guns, things will be normal. Wrong solutions seem to usually bite the ass of those who propose them.
What is starting to happen where guns are highly restricted is blade attacks and car rammings. Society in general is going south (this is a recurring thing and not permanent, I hope). Its too simplistic to think that by removing the prevalence of guns, things will be normal. Wrong solutions seem to usually bite the ass of those who propose them.
A tool whose sole purpose is designed to kill. Full stop.
There are lots of tools I can use to kill with. Hell, I can pick up a stick off the ground and kill someone with it if I try hard enough.
But only one of those tools was designed exclusively to kill.
The usa is not 'normal' when it comes to gun ownership and the number one killer of kids.
Ask yourselves what it is about 'other countries' that is different when the subject is the top killer of kids.
Ask yourselves what it is about 'other countries' that is different when the subject is the top killer of kids.
Where does that number come from? According to the CDC "U.S. drug overdose deaths increased 30% from 2019 to 2020 and 15% in 2021, resulting in an estimated 108,000 deaths in 2021.* Among persons aged 14–18 years" https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7150a2.htm
From the 'fact checks' on the subject, they are not counting infants, less than 1 year of age. Otherwise, all that i've found supports firearm deaths as the #1 cause of deaths of usa children 1 year through year 18. This is from 2022, July.
Not sure about the "Fact Checks", whats the source, who "pays" for those facts? But as far as I'm aware the CDC post solid numbers.
Here in very rural southern VA every household owns multiple guns and no child deaths in recent history, BUT overdose's are way way to frequent for the youngsters, I assume herion, Fyntal, don't really know. Not sure why they can't just smoke weed and move along and be happy
Blades and cars are tools.
I was thinking that the idea behind banning certain types of guns was to stop the speed with which one is able to get shots off in a random pattern or mowing down waves of people in a nightclub before someone else is able to stop them.
We've already covered the fact that shotguns aren't under the proposed gun control legislation and are very effective at killing people.
Tools are able to kill.
It’s looks like there could be a relationship between the increasing availability of these drugs and rises in accidental drug deaths?
Perhaps increasing access to things that can kill increases the likelihood of those things causing death?
Fentanyl is a tool.
Fentanyl can’t kill, it needs to be adminstered.
Strong arguments. Lets do nothing.
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well i didn't see our 'black' president save us, nor the' asshole' from texas b4 him, nor the '1st' black president.... need i go on???
so be 4-warned if u break into my home, u won't be coming out alive... full stop
He also had an ongoing relationship with the CIA.
April 6, 2023
Loaded, unattended gun found in home where 3-year-old was shot in Portsmouth
https://www.13newsnow.com/article/n...ents/291-5b411b0e-d1da-4833-a3af-ef64be429c98not far enough south for you to recognize?
how about when a child shoots an adult in VA? does that ever happen?
A 6-year-old shot a Virginia teacher with his mother’s gun. The tragedy highlights the lack of strong secure storage laws across the nation
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/15/us/virginia-child-shooting-secure-storage-laws/index.html
Not to diminish the deaths but people over 17 are not considered children by many. They include those over that age for the figures. Not sure why children are more important than other ages for keeping them alive.
Cambodia had an effective gun control setup I am sure. 21% of there population was killed by the government. Even kiddies.
Cambodia had an effective gun control setup I am sure. 21% of there population was killed by the government. Even kiddies.
PolitiFact VA: More Virginia children die from guns than fentanyl
https://www.vpm.org/news/2023-02-06/politifact-general-assembly-children-deaths-fentanyl-guns
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