Hollow stems, good or bad???

[FoothillFarming]

Adding cal/mg isn't that beneficial while trying to up Ca levels. Mg is a competing cation, and will block each other. Also, Ca will naturally bump Mg.....So I don't quite get the whole Cal/mg thing. (unless your low in both I guess, but that hardly ever happens in soil at least)

Get that foliar product I was talking about. Albion Metoslate Ca. Around 100$ for a gallon of dry powder that will last YEARS. I can help with application rates if needed.

 

[Tonygreen]

I told him to separate it originally if possible. gg4 especially s a hog loc. That product looks nice.

 

[hyposomniac]

Maybe foliar methanol as a carbon source can fill in hollow stems on rapidly growing plants..

https://www.google.com/url?q=http:/...0LJ8rg&usg=AFQjCNGOsYS0VzNF6Ab6Y9zhBYBpmZ0Lww

 

[Dropped Cat]

Hollow stem:

From a cross I'm doing, this plant culled, lacking traits I desire.

The hollow stem was not a factor in my choice, but I posted it as
a matter of interest related to the thread.

Cuttings rooted easily, was hopeful, having read some posts
mentioning the trait as desirable, but plant was meh.

I have a White Rhino that also has the trait, and she is in
the second round from a cutting. Decent yield and good smoke.

 

[mowood3479]

Adding cal/mg isn't that beneficial while trying to up Ca levels. Mg is a competing cation, and will block each other. Also, Ca will naturally bump Mg.....So I don't quite get the whole Cal/mg thing. (unless your low in both I guess, but that hardly ever happens in soil at least)

Get that foliar product I was talking about. Albion Metoslate Ca. Around 100$ for a gallon of dry powder that will last YEARS. I can help with application rates if needed.

Thx. Going to try it out.

 

[DaGrassMan]

Interesting thread. I recently had a harvest in which one of four plants stem was hollow. I haven't seen this before. Good to have an idea of what it could mean now, makes me curious about the ladies in flower right now.

 

[Loc Dog]

I have been feeding hydro plants in veg tap water with the nutrients. Tap is 250 PPM and heavy in calcium and iron. Stems are much less hollow, some are solid.

Could not get that Albion Metasolate, because only comes in 2.5 gallon, and over $300.00. Anyone have suggestions for another straight calcium product? I have some calcium nitrate laying around. Is there anything better?

 

[jidoka]

Cmon...this is not a real argument right...you hollow stem guys are clowning...right

 

[mdgg4]

Loc from my understanding hollow stems are strain dependent and nothing necessarily wrong. When I have a plant that I know to have hollow stems genetically and then grows non hollow stems I know something's wrong. Be careful trying to add too much calcium it will severely hamper your Mag uptake. From what your saying about your tap calcium ain't your prob in my opinion. From my adventures Mag played a more crucial role in stem strength. You may find actually dropping your cal levels and slightly raising Mag levels may remedy your problems, or by lowering you may not have to raise your Mag at all. Hope this wasn't off topic only read first page if covered already...,

PEACE!

 

[Loc Dog]

Loc from my understanding hollow stems are strain dependent and nothing necessarily wrong. When I have a plant that I know to have hollow stems genetically and then grows non hollow stems I know something's wrong. Be careful trying to add too much calcium it will severely hamper your Mag uptake. From what your saying about your tap calcium ain't your prob in my opinion. From my adventures Mag played a more crucial role in stem strength. You may find actually dropping your cal levels and slightly raising Mag levels may remedy your problems, or by lowering you may not have to raise your Mag at all. Hope this wasn't off topic only read first page if covered already...,

PEACE!

Thanks MD!!

What got me, was GG4 with hollow stems when I went to hydro flood and drain. When I went flood and drain, the only thing I changed was the strength of feed (General Hydropnics Flora Series). Did 600 PPM max or 1.2 EC with coco and always had solid stems. Upped to 1000 PPM or 2.0 EC flood and drain, and hollow like straws.

Tony Green was the first to mention the Calcium, and a couple of others in this thread did also. I tried it and they filled up. In the GG4 thread a number of people told me I was over feeding (buds are small on grow that will be done in 2 weeks). Cut them back to 600 PPM about a week ago.

I will see how the stems on the crop look when I harvest. The young veg plants were hollow, now filled in. Have some late veg I will take cuttings from in 2 hours when the lights come on. They were hollow also.

Here is a picture I posted in GG4 thread about a week ago. Dansbuds thought I mislabeled plants, but GG4 is all I am growing at this point (except and S1 which has not flowered yet, and looks nothing like GG4) -



I do not know if you can tell that those are GG4 cuts.

 

[jidoka]

Jesus fucking christ the dumb is strong in this thread. Hollow stems occur when n and k drive growth faster than ca/si/b and p can keep up. Read a fucking book and stop listening to retarded bro science

 

[mojave green]

I'll buy that, I think

 

[Loc Dog]

Jesus fucking christ the dumb is strong in this thread. Hollow stems occur when n and k drive growth faster than ca/si/b and p can keep up. Read a fucking book and stop listening to retarded bro science

What book???

 

[Vanilla Phoenix]

Read???

 

[jidoka]

How bout the college bible...horst marshner's mineral nutrition in higher plants

 

[mdgg4]

Yeah those are definitely hollow, I say yeah your call levels are too high locking out Mag. Your leaves look kinda thin which is another symptom of Mag. That's why folks fuck up by adding calls/mag when they see mag def, they make problem worse. But try lowering that cal and a Epsom folliar won't hurt either at maybe 3 grams gal.

PEACE!

 

[jidoka]

What...it is a ca/sil/b/p shortage. Not a single fucking thing to do with mg. I give up...good luck

 

[mdgg4]

Jesus fucking christ the dumb is strong in this thread. Hollow stems occur when n and k drive growth faster than ca/si/b and p can keep up. Read a fucking book and stop listening to retarded bro science

Some strains genetically have hollow stems like the dmt I'm growing currently. I believe he's pushing his cal levels too high, but then again I'm not the smartest cat I know.

PEACE!

 

[mdgg4]

What...it is a ca/sil/b/p shortage. Not a single fucking thing to do with mg. I give up...good luck

Not here to argue but if you read how much calcium he is currently adding to his mix explain how can he be in short supply.

PEACE!

 

[Loc Dog]

Jesus fucking christ the dumb is strong in this thread. Hollow stems occur when n and k drive growth faster than ca/si/b and p can keep up. Read a fucking book and stop listening to retarded bro science

What confuses me, is there is no sign of deficiency in the leaves.

If I were to foliar feed with calcium, what would be signs of using too much. Saw it will cause other micro nutrient deficiencies.

I think I figured it out. Their is sufficient Calcium to prevent symptoms of shortage, but feeding way to much Nitrogen and Potassium. I have cut back on all nutrients, on advice of GG4 experts, about a week ago, when they said my poor bud production was from overfeeding.