No not with STS, but there are other ways.
-SamS
-SamS
Grat3fulh3ad said:Actually quite the opposite...
We've learned that no breeder out there Torture tests their parent stock properly...
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tiedye420 said:And just what would be considered proper torture testing?
Those only found in nature, or tests driven by extremes to simulate horrendous conditions found in nature (extreme dry heat/ drought for example)?
Damn I tourture my stock so bad i apologize to them constantly...
My kinda thing I try to avoid at all cost, Is actually torturing them WHILE I am making seed on them... Not a good Idea.
My G-13 male was from stress and reverting it to veg from flower...
It has made quite a few seeds on itself...
In addition, I'd include silver stress... It doesn't have to be STS, since that has magic properties and creates special stress different from all other stresses, just plain old ionic silver suspended in solution added to the nutes.Sam_Skunkman said:Photoperiod disorders.
Phoperiod shock from 20 hours light to 10.
Lumins disorders, too high or too low of lumins.
Too Hot or Cold.
Too Wet or Dry, air or soil.
Nutrients out of wack, to much or to little.
Pruning shock, plant or roots.
Transplant shock.
Insect shock.
Disease shock.
-SamS
Just curious exactly how your work has shown this, and how many times the experiment was repeated and with what kind of numbers.Sam_Skunkman said:My own work showed me that if you can not stress a female to change sex with enviornmental stress then after STS it will not express intersexed plants.
I absolutely agree that using Gibberillins is not the same as an environmental stress, neither would the application of any plant hormone. I've tried to state that several times! The application of plant hormones is the only reversal method that is not a stress. STS is a poison which causes stress, not a plant hormone which naturally directs growth. Do you not understand that almost every single biological process is governed by the production of hormones? If you have applied a substance or an environment to a plant which is not part of it's normal environment in order to change the plants behavior, then you have caused a reaction to stress.As far as I know STS, ionic silver, even Gibberellic acid are not the same as environmental stresses.
No Sam, I don't have any experimental data to refute your theory... I have worked with gibberillic acid, and will be doing some more work with the ionic silver... I have access to STS, and have in the past as well, but I have networked with enough people who have worked with it, and see no need to use this poison when ionic silver has every indication of working exactly as well. It's been a long time, however, because I have long been of the opinion that 'fem'd' seeds are not worth making. This discussion has inspired me to pick back up with some of it though, Now that I have a specific purpose for doing it again... though it'll be a long time before anything can be proven, given the nature of the experiments.I am curious Grat3fulh3ad, have you done any work that counters this or are you just spouting off your opinions? I know you feel that STS is just the same as stress, do you have any work to back this up or is it just your opinion? Have you ever used STS? Have you ever worked with any plants you felt were TRUE? Where does your opinion come from? My opinions come from my obsevations and work.
Grat3fulh3ad,
"In addition, I'd include silver stress... It doesn't have to be STS, since that has magic properties and creates special stress different from all other stresses, just plain old ionic silver suspended in solution added to the nutes."
-SamS
Grat3fulh3ad said:I definately think that the work needs to be undertaken by Botanist, to do some specific experimentation in the lab to determine the biological mechanisms which cause reversals. Until that happens, nobodies work in the area has conclusively proven anything, and It's all theories based on experience, education and observation. I would really like to get the chance to sit and talk this out, someday... It's harder to correspond in writing than to have a one on one discussion, where it's easier to bounce ideas and concepts back and forth.
Looking good in the patch wally... very hardy plant, indeed... I like the mold resistance issue. Mold can devistate a bud quickly, the bastard fungi...wallyduck said:well i spent today checking the jungle patch ,, the one i mentioned i had several female tropical sativas growing ...
admitadly , they did not have every stress thrown at them , but definately as much as ive seen many plants turn intersexed with ..
and in particular apart from very short days , lack of water , too much water , etc etc ..
they survived several nights where temperatures were well below zero , and many even established varietys of plants( not cannabis) were absolutely killed stone dead .. now thats one tought plant i think ... ill pop a couple of pix up once i get them loaded ...
Indeed more work needs to be undertaken, especially in the area of the mechanisms which cause the different manifestations of inter-sexuality... A lot would be gained that could even potentially have broader applications....wallyduck said:hey gratefulhad , i agree more work needs to be taken without doubt , but some folks have seen a lot of plants and studied a lot over many years ,, have to give them credit for the things they have noticed along the way ,,
after all as u said yourself theories based on experience , education and observation ....
arent they what forms the conclusions of most studies???
sound like the "young leaves or something" may be the forming bananas inside the unopened male flower... A pic or two sure would help...r_Blunt said:Hello al, I'm sorry I didn't go trough the thread before posting, but I want to ask a question.
I think I might be having a hermie plant. I'm growing it on sunlight. I've topped the plant, so now it has two tops. Today I spotted 2 balls near the base of the stems near the tops. Took one off, and squished it with my fingers, I expected some white pollen to come out or white liquid. But instead there were some greed things inside (like young leaves or something).
Can you tell me if these are pollen sacks or something else. The plant is in late vegging, has a lot of pistils (hairs) around the tops (about 7-10 hairs for each top)