Knotty_Budz
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Lol why? we will be long gone before the effects take place 
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Have you looked at the North Pole lately?
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Lol why? we will be long gone before the effects take place
we may, just that the tone of the post was rather dark and depressing(as i read it)
and how soon is another argument, i'm thinking(worrying) it could be a lot sooner
the weather events we're seeing are large and coming fast, at least by climate standards of time
Lol why? we will be long gone before the effects take place
I live in alaska close to the arctic and have friends all over in the Bering Sea and along the Arctic Ocean. Global warming with BAD effects have been happening here for YEARS. Dozens of villages are being hammered by the big melt. Losing their land and watching their homes fall into the ocean. No money to move the towns to higher ground. No ice means big waves eating their houses. That's some funny shit you saying "we" will be long gone. No offense but you don't know jack shit about the problem and it's effects. Move to one of these towns and tell me more
Lol why? we will be long gone before the effects take place
our children/grandchildren won't be...
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If sun warming is to blame, what about pouring square mileage of concrete where there once was verdant land?
Seems humans may be to blame for that too.
Seems humans may be to blame for that too.
The North Pole weather seems to have moved over the UK this week.
Brrrrrrrrr!
Brrrrrrrrr!
we still have about 2.5 feet of ice (more in some locations here) on the lakes, 'Ice Out' is watched & charted every year, ice out is just that lakes 100% ice free.
The latest ice out I've ever seen was May 13th and just in time for the beginning of our fishing season, a strong warm wind from the south melted & pushed all remaining ice onto the south facing shorelines, looked like sugar frosting.
But we're enjoying mid 30s to 40s(F) this week, nice.......
In Western Alaska, there’s water where there should be ice
By Rachel Waldholz, Alaska's Energy Desk - Anchorage - February 26, 2018
Waves hammered the shore in Diomede during a storm on Feb 20, after the island lost its buffer of sea ice. (Photo courtesy of Frances Ozenna)
It’s been a record-breaking winter in Western Alaska. Temperatures in parts of the state have reached more than 40 degrees above normal, and sea ice cover in the Bering Sea has dropped to levels never before recorded.
Last week, social media across the region lit up as residents posted photos and videos of open water where, normally, there’s ice. In some communities, people say it’s the first time they can remember seeing wide open water in February.
The tiny island village of Diomede, in the middle of the Bering Strait, got national attention after a resident posted a video of giant waves crashing onto shore and surging between buildings during a storm on Feb. 20.
Beyond the waves? Open water, all the way to the horizon.
And that’s definitely not normal, tribal coordinator Frances Ozenna said.
“This is really amazing to see, this change,” Ozenna said in a phone interview Friday. “I don’t think anybody was really expecting this to happen.”
Ozenna said it’s the first time she can remember ever seeing this much open water in front of Diomede at this time of year: normally the sea ice grows from January all the way through March. But this year, it’s been unpredictable, she said, moving every day, with water opening and closing.
Then on Feb. 20, a major storm blew away what ice there was, and left the village without protection from the waves. The storm flooded Diomede’s water treatment plant and knocked out power. Chunks of ice and debris were tossed onto the beach and the village’s heliport.
“It’s very odd,” Ozenna said. “This is supposed to be the coldest time of the year.”
It’s not just Diomede. The entire Bering Sea is seeing record low levels of sea ice, said Brian Brettschneider, a climatologist based in Anchorage. Brettschneider said ice in the Bering Sea is currently at the lowest level in nearly 40 years of satellite data.
Part of the issue is warm temperatures: Brettshneider said parts of Western Alaska and the North Slope, including St. Paul, Kotzebue and Utqiagvik, are having their warmest winter on record.
“You have warm air running over record warm water,” Brettschneider said. “It’s really hard to get sea ice to form in that situation.”
The drastic drop this year might be an anomaly. Brettschneider said he wouldn’t be surprised if next year, sea ice levels are significantly higher. But he said the overall pattern is clear.
“The trend line certainly is bad,” Brettscheinder said. “My interpretation of that is, this is going to be more likely than not in the years to come.”
That’s left people like Ambrose Towarak shaking their heads.
Towarak is a commercial fisherman in Unalakleet, on Norton Sound. He posted a photo on Facebook of open water in front of town – something he also said he’s never seen this time of year.
“Everybody in the community is like, ‘It’s February! We shouldn’t be hearing ocean waves crashing on the beach,’” Towarak said in an interview Friday.
But that’s exactly what’s happening. Towarak’s friend Jeff Erickson posted a video on Facebook showing waves rolling onto the shore.
In a comment below the video, Erickson posted the lyrics to Bob Dylan’s 1960s anthem.
“In the words of an ancient sage,” Erickson wrote, “…the times, they are a-changin’.”
By Rachel Waldholz, Alaska's Energy Desk - Anchorage - February 26, 2018
Waves hammered the shore in Diomede during a storm on Feb 20, after the island lost its buffer of sea ice. (Photo courtesy of Frances Ozenna)
It’s been a record-breaking winter in Western Alaska. Temperatures in parts of the state have reached more than 40 degrees above normal, and sea ice cover in the Bering Sea has dropped to levels never before recorded.
Last week, social media across the region lit up as residents posted photos and videos of open water where, normally, there’s ice. In some communities, people say it’s the first time they can remember seeing wide open water in February.
The tiny island village of Diomede, in the middle of the Bering Strait, got national attention after a resident posted a video of giant waves crashing onto shore and surging between buildings during a storm on Feb. 20.
Beyond the waves? Open water, all the way to the horizon.
And that’s definitely not normal, tribal coordinator Frances Ozenna said.
“This is really amazing to see, this change,” Ozenna said in a phone interview Friday. “I don’t think anybody was really expecting this to happen.”
Ozenna said it’s the first time she can remember ever seeing this much open water in front of Diomede at this time of year: normally the sea ice grows from January all the way through March. But this year, it’s been unpredictable, she said, moving every day, with water opening and closing.
Then on Feb. 20, a major storm blew away what ice there was, and left the village without protection from the waves. The storm flooded Diomede’s water treatment plant and knocked out power. Chunks of ice and debris were tossed onto the beach and the village’s heliport.
“It’s very odd,” Ozenna said. “This is supposed to be the coldest time of the year.”
It’s not just Diomede. The entire Bering Sea is seeing record low levels of sea ice, said Brian Brettschneider, a climatologist based in Anchorage. Brettschneider said ice in the Bering Sea is currently at the lowest level in nearly 40 years of satellite data.
Part of the issue is warm temperatures: Brettshneider said parts of Western Alaska and the North Slope, including St. Paul, Kotzebue and Utqiagvik, are having their warmest winter on record.
“You have warm air running over record warm water,” Brettschneider said. “It’s really hard to get sea ice to form in that situation.”
The drastic drop this year might be an anomaly. Brettschneider said he wouldn’t be surprised if next year, sea ice levels are significantly higher. But he said the overall pattern is clear.
“The trend line certainly is bad,” Brettscheinder said. “My interpretation of that is, this is going to be more likely than not in the years to come.”
That’s left people like Ambrose Towarak shaking their heads.
Towarak is a commercial fisherman in Unalakleet, on Norton Sound. He posted a photo on Facebook of open water in front of town – something he also said he’s never seen this time of year.
“Everybody in the community is like, ‘It’s February! We shouldn’t be hearing ocean waves crashing on the beach,’” Towarak said in an interview Friday.
But that’s exactly what’s happening. Towarak’s friend Jeff Erickson posted a video on Facebook showing waves rolling onto the shore.
In a comment below the video, Erickson posted the lyrics to Bob Dylan’s 1960s anthem.
“In the words of an ancient sage,” Erickson wrote, “…the times, they are a-changin’.”
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TychoMonolyth
Boreal Curing
Gotta love armchair scientists for a little (yaaaawn) entertainment.
kickarse
Active member
What global warming ?
socialism is still the biggest con going around at the moment
they're the flogs that support the fake science of global warming
lots of $ to be made and stolen from the plebs
what a bunch of suckers the left leaning voters are, they believe anything they're told
they probably think Stephen Hawkins is the greatest physicist since Einstein , fools
socialism is still the biggest con going around at the moment
they're the flogs that support the fake science of global warming
lots of $ to be made and stolen from the plebs
what a bunch of suckers the left leaning voters are, they believe anything they're told
they probably think Stephen Hawkins is the greatest physicist since Einstein , fools
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TychoMonolyth
Boreal Curing
lol
back to some nice hard data, the latest temperatures as seen by real scientists
quick summary: global temps were 1.17 Fahrenheit warmer than the 20th century average
cold spots: parts of north america, i felt that for too long
warm spots: alaska, parts of east siberia, and middle east locations
records in the warm parts, not so much in the cold spots
In the atmosphere, 500-millibar height pressure anomalies correlate well with temperatures at the Earth's surface. The average position of the upper-level ridges of high pressure and troughs of low pressure—depicted by positive and negative 500-millibar height anomalies on the February 2018 and December–February 2018 maps—is generally reflected by areas of positive and negative temperature anomalies at the surface, respectively.
February
February 2018 Blended Land and Sea Surface
Temperature Anomalies in degrees Celsius
February 2018 Blended Land and Sea Surface
Temperature Percentiles
February 2018 was characterized by near to cooler-than-average conditions across a large portion of the Northern Hemisphere land, while much of the Southern Hemisphere land had warmer- to much-warmer-than-average conditions. The most notable cool temperature departures from average were present across North America, where temperatures were 3.0°C (5.4°F) below average or lower for some locations. The most notable warm temperature departures from average were present across parts of the southeastern contiguous U.S., western Alaska, northeastern Africa, the Middle East, and Russia's Far East, where temperatures were 2.0°C (3.6°F) above average or higher. Much of the world's oceans had warmer- to much-warmer-than-average temperatures, with near- to cooler-than-average conditions across the eastern and central tropical Pacific Ocean, southeastern Pacific Ocean, eastern Indian Ocean, and across parts of the Atlantic Ocean. Record warmth was limited to small areas across the eastern contiguous U.S., southern Argentina, the Middle East, Russia's Far East, New Zealand, and scattered across all oceans. However, no land or ocean areas experienced record cold temperatures during February 2018. Regionally, Oceania and Africa had their fourth and tenth warmest February on record, respectively, while Europe had its coolest February since 2012.
Overall, the combined global land and ocean temperature for February 2018 was 0.65°C (1.17°F) above the 20th century average of 12.1°C (53.9°F) and the 11th highest February temperature in the 1880–2018 record. This value was also 0.57°C (1.03°F) cooler than the record high set in 2016 and was the smallest February temperature departure from average since 2014. February 2018 also marks the 42nd consecutive February and the 398th consecutive month with temperatures above the 20th century average. The global land temperature of 1.01°C (1.82°F) above the 20th century average of 3.2°C (37.8°F) was also the smallest February land temperature since 2014 and the 15th highest in the 139-year record. Averaged as a whole, the global oceans had their lowest February temperature since 2013 and the seventh highest February temperature on record.
quick summary: global temps were 1.17 Fahrenheit warmer than the 20th century average
cold spots: parts of north america, i felt that for too long
warm spots: alaska, parts of east siberia, and middle east locations
records in the warm parts, not so much in the cold spots
In the atmosphere, 500-millibar height pressure anomalies correlate well with temperatures at the Earth's surface. The average position of the upper-level ridges of high pressure and troughs of low pressure—depicted by positive and negative 500-millibar height anomalies on the February 2018 and December–February 2018 maps—is generally reflected by areas of positive and negative temperature anomalies at the surface, respectively.
February
February 2018 Blended Land and Sea Surface
Temperature Anomalies in degrees Celsius
February 2018 Blended Land and Sea Surface
Temperature Percentiles
February 2018 was characterized by near to cooler-than-average conditions across a large portion of the Northern Hemisphere land, while much of the Southern Hemisphere land had warmer- to much-warmer-than-average conditions. The most notable cool temperature departures from average were present across North America, where temperatures were 3.0°C (5.4°F) below average or lower for some locations. The most notable warm temperature departures from average were present across parts of the southeastern contiguous U.S., western Alaska, northeastern Africa, the Middle East, and Russia's Far East, where temperatures were 2.0°C (3.6°F) above average or higher. Much of the world's oceans had warmer- to much-warmer-than-average temperatures, with near- to cooler-than-average conditions across the eastern and central tropical Pacific Ocean, southeastern Pacific Ocean, eastern Indian Ocean, and across parts of the Atlantic Ocean. Record warmth was limited to small areas across the eastern contiguous U.S., southern Argentina, the Middle East, Russia's Far East, New Zealand, and scattered across all oceans. However, no land or ocean areas experienced record cold temperatures during February 2018. Regionally, Oceania and Africa had their fourth and tenth warmest February on record, respectively, while Europe had its coolest February since 2012.
Overall, the combined global land and ocean temperature for February 2018 was 0.65°C (1.17°F) above the 20th century average of 12.1°C (53.9°F) and the 11th highest February temperature in the 1880–2018 record. This value was also 0.57°C (1.03°F) cooler than the record high set in 2016 and was the smallest February temperature departure from average since 2014. February 2018 also marks the 42nd consecutive February and the 398th consecutive month with temperatures above the 20th century average. The global land temperature of 1.01°C (1.82°F) above the 20th century average of 3.2°C (37.8°F) was also the smallest February land temperature since 2014 and the 15th highest in the 139-year record. Averaged as a whole, the global oceans had their lowest February temperature since 2013 and the seventh highest February temperature on record.
I don't think anybody is arguing that temperatures are warmer. I think the crux of the dilemma is that given the complex nature of how volcanic activity, solar ups/downs, etc can you really say the whole 1.3 degrees is from man made co2? How was co2 5 times higher during the jurassic period than now with no industrial pollution? I think its legit we should not pollute more than necessary, but when people use evidence that warming is happening as evidence man is causing warming, well thats false causation
