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Have you looked at the North Pole lately?
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so it is NOT 78 degrees outside right now? in February? and going to be in the 60s & 70s for the next 10 days? in fucking FEBRUARY? "nope, no global warming going on here folks. move along now..." yeah, there is still an "ice cap", but...it is smaller. the last 4 years have been the warmest recorded since scientists started recording data in the late 1800s. our weather IS fucked up. the only question is whether or not human beings are influencing it enough to make a difference, or if we are but static noise on the edge with no real effect. i don't believe it is possible to prove it either way, myself.
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TychoMonolyth
Boreal Curing
All I can go by is by what I see. Snow fall is way way below is was 55 years ago. We get a longer stretch of deep freeze in the winter, but winters (cold weather) is much shorter. Summers are way hotter. We get a full month of killer heat (90+ with 85% humidity). Hell, it's usually nice in November.
So fuck everyone with political biases.
So fuck everyone with political biases.
yup, WAY less snow here than historically over last 10 years. my daffodils are up & about to bloom & my crocus have already bloomed. admittedly, crocus come right on up through snow some years, determined little SOBs...
You guys are correct but your observations are not statistically relevant to what the debate is about: human-caused global warming. Your talking about 50 years of observation on a 4.5 billion-year-old planet. Even if during your life the earth is indeed warming up, that is only proof that the earth has warmed over the last 50 years, not that human activities have changed the ebbs and flows of the planet.... this is a common fallacy, to extrapolate from a few weather events and use it to prove a hypothesis that cannot be backed up by data. every time there's a big storm the weather channel is saying "wow climate change is really making these bad", instead of accurately noting that these storms have bigger impacts because more people are building in coastal areas. of course these are the most destructive hurricanes on record, because 50 years ago when they started recording the places they hit were bayous or grassy plains, people built houses on these flood planes and now its "global warming" that they get hit!? common man!
that is not correct, what we have is about 500 million years of proxy temperature(and other) data in the geologic strata
and that is the key to this debate
now there are some that do not accept that the current temperature measurements are accurate
so even more shade can be thrown at proxy data
but it is the science such as it is
CO2 levels have been rising dramatically since the industrial revolution. Check out the graph in the link. Graphs don't lie. The line is near vertical.
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
TychoMonolyth
Boreal Curing
Oh great... Now we've discovered there's tons of mercury in permafrost.
https://futurism.com/mercury-thawing-permafrost/
https://futurism.com/mercury-thawing-permafrost/
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and it may well be
i think we can agree that is not a common occurrence
quite uncommon, and uncommon is becoming more common
looking backwards, it will all make sense
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it is from the mainstream press, but sometimes you have to look at all sources
and believe me, you really do need to look
Arctic temperatures surge in the dead of winter
By Kara Fox and Brandon Miller, CNN
Updated 12:31 PM ET, Tue February 27, 2018
(CNN)Winter is still in full swing in the North Pole, but temperatures this week have been downright summerlike in the Arctic.
Although it is shrouded in the darkness of a 24-hour polar night, temperatures in the Arctic have soared well above freezing this week, marking the hottest temperatures recorded in the region during winter, according to scientists from the Danish Meteorological Institute.
Calculations from Cape Morris Jessup, the world's northernmost land-based weather station, show that temperatures from February in eastern Greenland and the central Arctic are averaging about 15°C (27°F) warmer than seasonal norms.
And although the Arctic has seen temperatures climbing for decades, the past few years have seen the most extreme changes, according to Martin Stendel, a climate scientist at DMI. For the past 20 years, temperatures above freezing in February have only been recorded three times -- first in 2011, then in 2017 and now."For years, absolute values of temperatures have become higher and higher, but if you look a couple years back it's not so interesting whether the temperatures were minus 10 degrees C or minus 5 degrees C because the temperature was still well below zero," Stendel said.
But this month's unusual rises are interesting -- and unprecedented -- and have continued for a record nine days in a row.
Zack Labe, a climate scientist at the University of California at Irvine, tweeted a chart demonstrating how dramatically different this February's temperature is.
So what's causing the Arctic's "heat wave"?
It's a combination of warm weather patterns coming into contact with retreating sea ice and rising and warmer sea levels, said Robert Graham, climate scientist at the Norwegian Polar Institute.
Although powerful storms have brought warm winds to the Arctic in the past, a fortress of sea ice would typically cool them down as they traveled north. But the Arctic's shrinking sea ice has moved those barriers farther north, where southerly winds have been able to travel for longer stretches without being cooled. And as ocean levels and temperatures continue to rise, those warm southern winds are finding comfortable refuge across the Arctic Sea as they make their way toward the North Pole.
In the past, it was not unusual for the Arctic to see days where temperatures would peak above minus 10 C (14 F), but what we are seeing now is different. Those peaks are becoming more frequent and long-lasting.
More worryingly, the warming weather pattern is producing a circular affect.
A vicious cycle
The warmer the air and water, the less sea ice there is. And the less sea ice there is, the warmer the air and water can get (and stay warm). This, in turn, leads to less sea ice -- and the vicious cycle continues.
For example, in Alaska, residents of the island village of Diomede are baffled at the open ocean water this February. There, residents are seeing the scientific findings in the Arctic play out in their own backyards. February should be the height of the sea ice season -- but instead, crashing waves are changing their town's coastline. The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's head of Arctic research, Jeremy Mathis, told CNN that in many years of Arctic research, 2017 marked the first time that he and his group of researchers spotted no ice in the seas off Alaska.
"This year in 2017 during a 25-day cruise in the Arctic, we didn't see a single piece of ice," Mathis said. "We were sailing around on a Coast Guard icebreaker in blue water that could have been anywhere in the world. And it certainly didn't look like the Arctic."
Arctic sea-ice masses have been shrinking in size over the January and February months since 1980. Data from January and February 2018 has so far demonstrated the most dramatic losses in size, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. Last year had been the worst year for greatest loss in volume of sea ice until now.
Like the rising temperatures, sea-ice masses are also setting new records -- but not the good kind.
"It seems like every winter we get a new record minimum at the moment," Graham says.
He holds onto the hope that public concern over the Arctic's rising temperatures will help shine a light on the issue he is most concerned about: shrinking sea ice.
"These simple events can seem quite shocking at the time but it's what they do to bring attention to the large-scale sea ice that's important."
'Cold continents, warm Arctic'
While the Arctic warms up, most of Europe has been hit with a cold snap that has extended into this week. The cold weather, dubbed "the beast from the East," is the result of cold winds from Siberia sweeping across many parts of Europe.
Jason Box, an American scientist and professor of glaciology at the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland, said that cold air from the Arctic has been pushed away from its normal hovering position.
It's now found itself invading more temperate locations like Rome, where locals woke up on Monday to find their city covered in snow for the first time in more than five years.
"A new pattern that we think is part of climate change is where the normal so-called polar vortex that keeps the cold air bottled over the Arctic ocean, that cold air is spilling out... now that's being displaced."
"The pattern that we have seen over the last 10 years is that the Arctic Ocean has been warmer than normal, and Northern Eurasia is colder; we call it 'cold continents warm Arctic.'"
Box's theory remains a hot topic in scientific circles, with researchers from both Arctic and climate-change research institutes continuing to debate and research the physics behind the argument.
But one thing is clear: What happens in the Arctic doesn't stay in the Arctic. It is Earth's air conditioner, helping to regulate temperature and weather patterns in the middle latitudes. When that balance is compromised, only one thing is certain -- strange weather.
CNN's Ingrid Formanek, Nada Bashir, Eliza Mackintosh and Judson Jones contributed to this report.
and believe me, you really do need to look
Arctic temperatures surge in the dead of winter
By Kara Fox and Brandon Miller, CNN
Updated 12:31 PM ET, Tue February 27, 2018
(CNN)Winter is still in full swing in the North Pole, but temperatures this week have been downright summerlike in the Arctic.
Although it is shrouded in the darkness of a 24-hour polar night, temperatures in the Arctic have soared well above freezing this week, marking the hottest temperatures recorded in the region during winter, according to scientists from the Danish Meteorological Institute.
Calculations from Cape Morris Jessup, the world's northernmost land-based weather station, show that temperatures from February in eastern Greenland and the central Arctic are averaging about 15°C (27°F) warmer than seasonal norms.
And although the Arctic has seen temperatures climbing for decades, the past few years have seen the most extreme changes, according to Martin Stendel, a climate scientist at DMI. For the past 20 years, temperatures above freezing in February have only been recorded three times -- first in 2011, then in 2017 and now."For years, absolute values of temperatures have become higher and higher, but if you look a couple years back it's not so interesting whether the temperatures were minus 10 degrees C or minus 5 degrees C because the temperature was still well below zero," Stendel said.
But this month's unusual rises are interesting -- and unprecedented -- and have continued for a record nine days in a row.
Zack Labe, a climate scientist at the University of California at Irvine, tweeted a chart demonstrating how dramatically different this February's temperature is.
So what's causing the Arctic's "heat wave"?
It's a combination of warm weather patterns coming into contact with retreating sea ice and rising and warmer sea levels, said Robert Graham, climate scientist at the Norwegian Polar Institute.
Although powerful storms have brought warm winds to the Arctic in the past, a fortress of sea ice would typically cool them down as they traveled north. But the Arctic's shrinking sea ice has moved those barriers farther north, where southerly winds have been able to travel for longer stretches without being cooled. And as ocean levels and temperatures continue to rise, those warm southern winds are finding comfortable refuge across the Arctic Sea as they make their way toward the North Pole.
In the past, it was not unusual for the Arctic to see days where temperatures would peak above minus 10 C (14 F), but what we are seeing now is different. Those peaks are becoming more frequent and long-lasting.
More worryingly, the warming weather pattern is producing a circular affect.
A vicious cycle
The warmer the air and water, the less sea ice there is. And the less sea ice there is, the warmer the air and water can get (and stay warm). This, in turn, leads to less sea ice -- and the vicious cycle continues.
For example, in Alaska, residents of the island village of Diomede are baffled at the open ocean water this February. There, residents are seeing the scientific findings in the Arctic play out in their own backyards. February should be the height of the sea ice season -- but instead, crashing waves are changing their town's coastline. The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's head of Arctic research, Jeremy Mathis, told CNN that in many years of Arctic research, 2017 marked the first time that he and his group of researchers spotted no ice in the seas off Alaska.
"This year in 2017 during a 25-day cruise in the Arctic, we didn't see a single piece of ice," Mathis said. "We were sailing around on a Coast Guard icebreaker in blue water that could have been anywhere in the world. And it certainly didn't look like the Arctic."
Arctic sea-ice masses have been shrinking in size over the January and February months since 1980. Data from January and February 2018 has so far demonstrated the most dramatic losses in size, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. Last year had been the worst year for greatest loss in volume of sea ice until now.
Like the rising temperatures, sea-ice masses are also setting new records -- but not the good kind.
"It seems like every winter we get a new record minimum at the moment," Graham says.
He holds onto the hope that public concern over the Arctic's rising temperatures will help shine a light on the issue he is most concerned about: shrinking sea ice.
"These simple events can seem quite shocking at the time but it's what they do to bring attention to the large-scale sea ice that's important."
'Cold continents, warm Arctic'
While the Arctic warms up, most of Europe has been hit with a cold snap that has extended into this week. The cold weather, dubbed "the beast from the East," is the result of cold winds from Siberia sweeping across many parts of Europe.
Jason Box, an American scientist and professor of glaciology at the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland, said that cold air from the Arctic has been pushed away from its normal hovering position.
It's now found itself invading more temperate locations like Rome, where locals woke up on Monday to find their city covered in snow for the first time in more than five years.
"A new pattern that we think is part of climate change is where the normal so-called polar vortex that keeps the cold air bottled over the Arctic ocean, that cold air is spilling out... now that's being displaced."
"The pattern that we have seen over the last 10 years is that the Arctic Ocean has been warmer than normal, and Northern Eurasia is colder; we call it 'cold continents warm Arctic.'"
Box's theory remains a hot topic in scientific circles, with researchers from both Arctic and climate-change research institutes continuing to debate and research the physics behind the argument.
But one thing is clear: What happens in the Arctic doesn't stay in the Arctic. It is Earth's air conditioner, helping to regulate temperature and weather patterns in the middle latitudes. When that balance is compromised, only one thing is certain -- strange weather.
CNN's Ingrid Formanek, Nada Bashir, Eliza Mackintosh and Judson Jones contributed to this report.
St. Phatty
Active member
Can't help but wonder what 'ocean-front property' will mean in 1000 years.
according to news this morning, the temps above the Arctic circle were 6 degrees warmer than it was here in east Tennessee. 33 or 34 F versus the 28 F we had...in February. has become common for temps in Alaska to be higher than here. hmmmm... guess i need to buy a larger caliber rifle so when the polar bears & muskox show up i'll be ready!
Shot placement, hippy. Shot placement....
A swath of sea ice the size of Minnesota vanished from the northern Bering Sea as warm storms pummeled the region this month, causing ice coverage to fall well below a record low set 17 years ago, scientists say.
About half the ice in the Bering Sea disappeared during a two-week period that ended Saturday, said Rick Thoman, climate scientist with the National Weather Service in Alaska.
The unusual conditions have stunned residents of the region, who say they've never seen so much water around their islands in late February.
"(Now) it's just all open water, between this island and Siberia," said Edmond Apassingok, 54 and a hunter from the village of Gambell on St. Lawrence Island. "It's undescribable. It's crazy. Time is broken."
In a normal winter, sea ice would be piled high along the coast, he said.
Ice coverage rebounded a bit over the weekend, Thoman said on Monday. But another southerly storm set to arrive early Thursday — with expected gusts up to 60 mph prompting a high-surf advisory — could break up the new ice.
"The atmosphere is warm, the sea surface is warm, and that's conspired to create a completely unprecedented ice season in the Bering Sea," said Thoman.
Bering Sea ice coverage is about half the size it was during the previous low for late February, set in 2001, he said.
"This is by far the worst ice extent we've seen for this time of year," Thoman said.
Soolook said the lack of solid sea ice along the shore is shocking to see.
In the video posted on Facebook, heavy surf pounds the coast, sending debris and water crashing against buildings, including the village water treatment plant. Ocean-swept chunks of ice litter the ground.
The storm knocked the village's power out that day, said Soolook, acting city clerk in the village.
That storm was the largest of about 10 that hammered the region during the two weeks, said Jim Brader, a National Weather Service meteorologist in Fairbanks.
"To tell you the truth I can't remember all the storms," he said.
[North Pole surges above freezing in the dead of winter, stunning scientists]
The Feb. 20 storm pelted the region with rain and snow, Brader said. Gusts reached nearly 100 mph.
Before that storm, he issued a flood warning for Diomede, Gambell and other villages, a first in February after 30 years on the job, he said.
Usually, there'd be thick pack ice in the region to help dampen waves, he said. But the open water has extended north of the strait, about 250 miles north of where it should be, he said.
The terrible conditions have hurt opportunities for hunting, said Soolook, 39.
Early this month, Soolook's brother and another hunter went fishing for crabs on an ice sheet they thought was locked in place. But it soon began drifting away.
"They had to ice hop to get back on shore," she said, adding that the men traveled between ice floes.
"They made it safely," but they lost crabbing supplies on the ice.
Apassingok in Gambell said on Monday that it's felt like autumn outside, with the stormy weather and temperatures sometimes jumping above freezing.
Temperatures should be far below zero, he said.
Towering waves have caused rapid erosion on a large portion of shore near Gambell, sending sea water and icy debris over the village's asphalt airstrip, he said.
"These huge swells come here unabated and crash onto our gravel beach," he said.
Less sea ice in recent years has led to reduced spring walrus harvests in Gambell and other communities, prompting villages to declare economic disasters in 2013 and 2015 that led to food donations.
[Remote Gambell regrouping after three years of low walrus hunts.]
Hunters have blamed the poor hunts on the reduction in stable sea ice where walrus were once typically hunted, and bad weather that forced crews to remain onshore as walrus migrated past villages.
Now, winter hunters head out in skiffs in open water whenever possible, keeping an eye out for any available prey, said Appasingok.
Because of threats from storms they often don't have long.
"Mostly we have a 12 to 24-hour window to go out," he said.
In the past, whaling crews in February would be cutting a trail through jagged ice locked to the shore, he said. They'd drag a small boat to openings in the sea ice where bowhead whales would appear, usually in April, he said.
But there's no shorefast ice to work from, he said.
Still, two weeks ago, a Gambell whaling crew in open water landed a bowhead whale.
"We are adapting as we go along," said Apassingok.
About half the ice in the Bering Sea disappeared during a two-week period that ended Saturday, said Rick Thoman, climate scientist with the National Weather Service in Alaska.
The unusual conditions have stunned residents of the region, who say they've never seen so much water around their islands in late February.
"(Now) it's just all open water, between this island and Siberia," said Edmond Apassingok, 54 and a hunter from the village of Gambell on St. Lawrence Island. "It's undescribable. It's crazy. Time is broken."
In a normal winter, sea ice would be piled high along the coast, he said.
Ice coverage rebounded a bit over the weekend, Thoman said on Monday. But another southerly storm set to arrive early Thursday — with expected gusts up to 60 mph prompting a high-surf advisory — could break up the new ice.
"The atmosphere is warm, the sea surface is warm, and that's conspired to create a completely unprecedented ice season in the Bering Sea," said Thoman.
Bering Sea ice coverage is about half the size it was during the previous low for late February, set in 2001, he said.
"This is by far the worst ice extent we've seen for this time of year," Thoman said.
Soolook said the lack of solid sea ice along the shore is shocking to see.
In the video posted on Facebook, heavy surf pounds the coast, sending debris and water crashing against buildings, including the village water treatment plant. Ocean-swept chunks of ice litter the ground.
The storm knocked the village's power out that day, said Soolook, acting city clerk in the village.
That storm was the largest of about 10 that hammered the region during the two weeks, said Jim Brader, a National Weather Service meteorologist in Fairbanks.
"To tell you the truth I can't remember all the storms," he said.
[North Pole surges above freezing in the dead of winter, stunning scientists]
The Feb. 20 storm pelted the region with rain and snow, Brader said. Gusts reached nearly 100 mph.
Before that storm, he issued a flood warning for Diomede, Gambell and other villages, a first in February after 30 years on the job, he said.
Usually, there'd be thick pack ice in the region to help dampen waves, he said. But the open water has extended north of the strait, about 250 miles north of where it should be, he said.
The terrible conditions have hurt opportunities for hunting, said Soolook, 39.
Early this month, Soolook's brother and another hunter went fishing for crabs on an ice sheet they thought was locked in place. But it soon began drifting away.
"They had to ice hop to get back on shore," she said, adding that the men traveled between ice floes.
"They made it safely," but they lost crabbing supplies on the ice.
Apassingok in Gambell said on Monday that it's felt like autumn outside, with the stormy weather and temperatures sometimes jumping above freezing.
Temperatures should be far below zero, he said.
Towering waves have caused rapid erosion on a large portion of shore near Gambell, sending sea water and icy debris over the village's asphalt airstrip, he said.
"These huge swells come here unabated and crash onto our gravel beach," he said.
Less sea ice in recent years has led to reduced spring walrus harvests in Gambell and other communities, prompting villages to declare economic disasters in 2013 and 2015 that led to food donations.
[Remote Gambell regrouping after three years of low walrus hunts.]
Hunters have blamed the poor hunts on the reduction in stable sea ice where walrus were once typically hunted, and bad weather that forced crews to remain onshore as walrus migrated past villages.
Now, winter hunters head out in skiffs in open water whenever possible, keeping an eye out for any available prey, said Appasingok.
Because of threats from storms they often don't have long.
"Mostly we have a 12 to 24-hour window to go out," he said.
In the past, whaling crews in February would be cutting a trail through jagged ice locked to the shore, he said. They'd drag a small boat to openings in the sea ice where bowhead whales would appear, usually in April, he said.
But there's no shorefast ice to work from, he said.
Still, two weeks ago, a Gambell whaling crew in open water landed a bowhead whale.
"We are adapting as we go along," said Apassingok.
Knotty_Budz
Member
people just need to stop worrying so bad yes there is a huge climate shift.. guess what.. the worlds largest desert known as the Sahara in Africa was also a rich lush enviroment full of life.. Fossil fuels werent around and sure didnt cause that shift. In history one of the main things they taught was that every few thousand years that there was a huge climate shift which turns lush beautiful thrivin places into dry or barren lands that can barely sustain land. The earth goes through extremes to fix its self. When there is a huge swing in climate it forces population control by killing off a huge number of species. By doing an anual purge its mother natures way of knowing when she is starting to run on low and her systems are out of whack so she hits the reset button. Plants ( which are incredibly more complex then animals are, they contain around 4 times more DNA then animals and were around for millions of years before the first animals) and animals will die off which will cause her resources to no longer be depleted and the plants will take over and begin to correct all the things we have destroyed and she will balance herself back naturally and in the 20 thousand years or so it will take for evolution to catch back up and new species will be around.. homo sapiens are far from the first species of humans and at our rate of decline ( we are basically the only animals Devolving and getting sicker and weaker ) we wont be the last.
frankly, after reading your post, i wouldn't be so much worried as terrified
