Have You Been Vaccinated?

[NEW ENGLAND]

oh wonderful, its only 40 k who get fired and lose their right to unemployment. that makes it totally ok. phiew, i thought it was 70k looking to be made homeless for insisting on bodily autonomy. but of course the collectivist have no problem with your body my choice when it comes to forced experimental medical trails on unwilling human subjects. fuck yeah, communism rocks!

Yeah that's commievore,hows that for fate that he would make it through a pandemic unscathed....hahaha

Lives to type another day,he's doing God's work lol

 

[NEW ENGLAND]

Every job I’ve had as a nurse has asked for copies of my vaccination records. Some have also drawn blood to evaluate my titers. Low titers will ensure re-vaccination. Most facilities that provide patient care also require the annual flu vaccine for staff. Requiring vaccinations is not uncommon in the US.

In regards to delta, i read it has a shorter incubation period and a transmissible rate between 6&7. Every infected person will infect 6 to 7 others. The flu has a rate of 2 and original covid had a rate of 3.

Would positive titres entitle you the same benefits of a vaccinated person......this is something healthcare workers previously tested positive for Covid also take issue with.

 

[Amynamous]

So, you're saying that after the vaccine was rolled out, "COVID" became more than twice as infectious?? ...Interesting.

If we’re going to pair two separate things that happened around the same time, and then pretend they’re connected, then you should blame delta on Biden taking office or blame it on Tampa Bay winning the Super Bowl.

 

[NEW ENGLAND]

If we’re going to pair two separate things that happened around the same time, and then pretend they’re connected, then you should blame delta on Biden taking office or blame it on Tampa Bay winning the Super Bowl.

I blame Belicheeks on Tampa winning the Superbowl,and I'll argue Belicheeks is not the genius coach as evidenced by letting Tommy boy go , and go with Cam 'The fig' Newton

 

[Amynamous]

I blame Belicheeks on Tampa winning the Superbowl,and I'll argue Belicheeks is not the genius coach as evidenced by letting Tommy boy go , and go with Cam 'The fig' Newton

Now we know the reeeeeeeal reason for the delta variant!
Belicheeks!

 

[NEW ENGLAND]

Now we know the reeeeeeeal reason for the delta variant!
Belicheeks!

We'll soon be naming the variants by letter just as we do hurricanes...... some will go down in history just as players and coaches......At this point those Dims at the capital should be on the lookout for variant/coach McVeigh,that one historically has proven rather deadly.

 

[h.h.]

Sure that would be the at risk groups. I am not arguing for them to not get vaccinated. On the contrary, it should be available to anyone who has a valid medical reason and would make an informed decision to take it (under condition that manufacturers are held liable). My position is that it should be denied to anyone who is not in an at risk group. As for globalization well, I am opposed to it.

I don’t think it should be denied, if that’s what you meant. Excuse me if I’m wrong.
I thought you were speaking more towards the mandates. I believe certain entities have the right to require mandates. The police, the military. On an individual basis, I don’t know if they have the technology to judge how much immunity an individual has. Apparently natural immunity varies for several reasons. Government unfortunately doesn’t work efficiently on an individual basis. It works on generalizations and redundancy.
Forcing individual citizens to get vaccinated does need to be looked at with closer scrutiny. So far in this country it hasn’t happened. I doubt it will. I think many see it as a duty or as a courtesy to others. That’s the way it should be seen. That’s how it should be encouraged. Factual information is available. Not much of it here though.

I mention globalization because I doubt this disease would have spread without it or perhaps at least natural immunity would have spread at the same pace. We can’t count on that happening.

 

[Microbeman]

thats nasty, but let me ask again, are you saying you personally know 3 people who went from healthy to dead from just covid? i mean even the worst nations stats seem to show that co morbidities play a major role in the outcomes, thats why im so shocked. those numbers seem very high unless you know only old people. in the end i can only really judge what is happening here. i read about places where its much worse and they are normally in the third word, but of course a for profit pay as you go medical system isn't gonna help the survival rate. here if you get sick even if you have no money you get the same care as everyone, you don't have to worry about the cost if you get sick.

will you ever ask yourself why the hospitals are over loaded with cases worse then at the start even though you have 60% treated with the mrna injection. shouldn't the case load for death and hospitalization be less now that the vulnerable have mostly been injected 2x? the fact that the waves are growing despite the experimental mrna treatment being rolled out on mass seems counter intuitive to me and doesn't help my doubts about this experimental treatment they are calling a vaccine even though it clearly isn't a real vaccine. imagine getting tetanus or rabies after getting vaccinated against it, or measles or polio. those are real tried, tested and proven vaccines, worthy of being called a vaccine. the present mrna treatment is no where near what you traditionally called a vaccine

Perhaps there is good reason that the Chinese modeled their vaccine after the polio shot.

 

[Microbeman]

Yes, I personally know 3 persons who went from healthy to dead from COVID. While comorbidities have been a factor, I also know persons who had serious cancers, who lived, despite contracting COVID.

I think you're stuck on a predictability that in real life isn't there; it's a grab-bag virus. And I think you're still viewing outcomes through a lens that's limited to the initial variation of C-19; we haven't been dealing with THAT mutation as the primary culprit for months. 2 months ago, 96% of all new infections in Alaska were Delta. There are other variants here as well.

Alaska doesn't yet have a true 60% fully vaccinated rate. Last I checked Alaska had 52%, then shortly after, 57%, and only recently 59%. That doesn't take into account small or outlying areas, where anti-vaxxing, COVID-denying trends are quite stout. We have protestors at the Fairbanks hospital acting quite hostile toward care providers due to delusional beliefs that they've concocted this whole thing; Docs, nurses, PAs and others providing care have literally been assaulted, cussed at, spat upon, etc.

Between the anti-vaxxers who wouldn't trust science and refused to distance OR mask (in many cases), and those who were vaccinated, so stopped distancing and masking, therein lies your explanation as to why our numbers have skyrocketed.

I've posted much of this before, but this last weekend Alaska had over 4,000 newly confirmed infections, and over 40 deaths; that's ONE weekend in a State with only about 720,000 persons in the entire State. We now have infants in-patient with COVID. Last week the youngest person to die was a woman in her 30s. She was elsewhere in the State, I think, but not sure. This week, the youngest to die locally at Fairbanks was in their 40s. We also have teens who are in-patient, as well.

As far as not demonizing the unvaccinated is concerned, calculate what our landscape might look like now, based on known variables and data, had the majority of this place gotten fully vaxxed early on, AND continued to mask & distance.

And our largest infected population continues to be the unvaccinated.

I saw a chart showing a high infection rate in the Northwest Territories. Do you know anything about that?

 

[h.h.]

don't you see the contradiction in those 2 blurbs? getting covid a second time is not as important as whether you actually got sick from it heavily or not.

I’d rather not get it at all.

There’s going to be variables in the studies. I’m not sure what you’re talking about. It appears natural immunity and the vaccination enhance each other. The discrepancy that I see is how great a value natural immunity has and what has the greatest influence on it. One can’t depend on being a little bit sick or very sick or on how many times they’ve had it. They may or may not have great immunity.

 

[moose eater]

I saw a chart showing a high infection rate in the Northwest Territories. Do you know anything about that?

Haven't checked with my Canadian chart/dashboard, or Avi Schiffman's dashboard for Canada and Provinces/Territories in quite a while.

Friends in the Yukon Territory said that their recent spike (last Spring) had to do with graduation parties, and high school seniors, especially, who had just had their initial vaccinations, but hadn't had time for the second, let alone the developed immunity. Kid-think.

Throughout the Summers, and pretty shortly after March of 2020, there were 2 blockades or roadblocks of sorts, turning up the road access toward NWT from the Yukon Territory, and as you got near/at the NWT line, there were the 2 successive stops I mentioned, requiring that persons going in had to verify their business and/or purposes for travel. During THAT point in time, NWT was reporting VERY low numbers, though Nunavut had varying and unreliable numbers, and later they were found to have substantially greater problems than initially thought..

A friend south of Whitehorse a bit said there was a crew of plumbers being called in to a village in the NWT that nearly got turned back at the roadblocks, and had to have others confirm their being called in to do a necessary job there. That was his example of the tightness at that time of NWT travel.

The August 9, 2021 opening of the Border with Alaska, Canada and the Lower-48 States for discretionary or non-essential travel was a -direct- result of pressure from the tourism and air-travel industries on the Canadian Gov., as you're likely aware.

If I were Trudeau and the Parliament, looking at the current infection rates in Alaska, I'd lock that puppy down like a chastity belt on a Royal virgin in the days of Kings..

My friends there, more than a few, once surrogate family in the 70s, avoid any car with Alaska or Outside plates on it, taking the other side of the street when ever possible. That's what idiots here have done for OUR PR. Unfortunately, as far as travel on the Alcan, the Yukon Territory is a thoroughfare, and there's no way other than the State ferries or the air travel industry to get from here to the Lower-48, if not driving through their turf. Numerous military installations here means that when troops are transferred to new duty stations, they're often driving through Canada.. Some are bright and thoughtful.. Others not so much.

I was down in the Yukon Territory in May of 2020, after the Border locked down, for emergency dental care with my dentist in Whitehorse, and though I've lived in the YT, had more sprays, masks, and wipes than Sheldon of Big Bang Theory, had sufficient food and gear to self-isolate for over 2 weeks, including a portable loo, had letters from friends immediately south of Whitehorse saying I could isolate on their 15-acre parcel in a vacant fifth wheel they own, with my own private outhouse, had letters on official office letterhead from both my primary care Doc in Fairbanks, as well as my dentist in Whitehorse, I was at the Border dealing with a small-of-stature, muscle-toned, tattooed Napoleonic type for over an hour, until my Canadian dentist read him the riot act, as well as the official public news release from the Yukon Territory's Minister of Health, defining what was and wasn't proper cause for travel into the Territory for health care purposes. After which the Napoleonic type changed his tune, apologized, wished me a successful treatment experience, and we shot the shit about Neanderthal idjits from my State, potentially fucking up their health.

Again, they'd be miles ahead re. maintaining their health there to shut the Border down again.

 

[gaiusmarius]

its strange how people are comparing this mrna injection in to the category of tried and tested vaccines with a proven track record. oh you don't want to be part of a mass human experiment, that means you are anti vax, lmao. also funny how folks were fine having their lives saved by anyone a few weeks ago but today its somehow not safe. but if you are gonna fire them after all they did for you, then the least you can do is let them get un employment till they find new jobs. even if you don't want to be treated by them any more, they do not deserve to be made homeless, their kids don't deserve to be made homeless, their partners don't deserve this either. its literally inhuman to treat them like this after what they did for everyone in the last 18 months. that the governor wants to do this is incredibly evil and heartless, as if NY doesn't have enough homeless people already ffs. just sick.

 

[gaiusmarius]

do you people realize that a big chunk of those who don't trust this vaccine are people of colour, Latin Americans and other minorities. its not all your favourite group to hate. not that it should make an iota of difference what colour or race they are, but i know the pathetic times we live it. only something like 25% of black people are vaccinated btw. so who is new york fucking up the ass? Trump supporting nurses in NY? gtfoh.

 

[h.h.]

Lots of folks being fed bad information. Even folks of color. Who is pushing the bad information? The scientists doing the studies or the politicians making the videos?

 

[gaiusmarius]

Lots of folks being fed bad information. Even folks of color. Who is pushing the bad information? The scientists doing the studies or the politicians making the videos?

sorry but its not bad info that we have no idea of the long term effects of this mrna product. its also not bad info that pfizer has made harmful medicine before, more then fucking once btw.

 

[troutman]

half or more of Americans have comorbidities

You can thank high fructose GMO corn syrup for that.

 

[h.h.]

sorry but its not bad info that we have no idea of the long term effects of this mrna product. its also not bad info that pfizer has made harmful medicine before, more then fucking once btw.

It’s amazing that we’re still alive.

No. We don’t know long term effects.
Yes. Bad medicine has happened.
There is also a lot of bad anti vax information being spread.

 

[moose eater]

do you people realize that a big chunk of those who don't trust this vaccine are people of colour, Latin Americans and other minorities. its not all your favourite group to hate. not that it should make an iota of difference what colour or race they are, but i know the pathetic times we live it. only something like 25% of black people are vaccinated btw. so who is new york fucking up the ass? Trump supporting nurses in NY? gtfoh.

Yep, and I realize the history attached to native Americans, African Americans, and others having been subjected to experimental medicine and forced sterilizations over the years, too. They have at least a historical excuse where their heightened distrust is concerned.

The Bubba's here? Many not only refused the VAX, often for suspect reasons, but they refused to mask and distance. Priding themselves in their obstinance, as they commit what amounts to a form of assault, with their aerosolized saliva.

And the cherry-picking of a couple Docs discussing damages to the body from masks doesn't change the reality that many Docs spend 9 or more hours a day in a mask, and have no negative results. I wear 2 masks, a GVS Elipse P100 half mask, with the exhale port covered by a standard surgical mask, and have had blood draws done in that condition, as well as oxygenation sensors on my fingers, and have had no interruption to oxygenation, and only insignificant, mildly elevated CO2 levels in my blood draws. A lot of that is merely excuse making by folks who are either less than thoughtful, less than truthful, or working an agenda.

If folks wish to perpetuate their own fantasies or delusions, that's fine. When they victimize others with their nonsense, such as is happening here, I have a serious attitude toward them, and have expressed that in person with them, creating distance and boundaries when they refuse to. Considering their numbers here, I'm absolutely certain that opportunity will arise again in the near future.

Re.. the efficacy of the masks we're (the general public) wearing, there's a study from Arizona re. public schools and masks, as well as the much larger study from Bangladesh that refutes the nay-sayers.

 

[armedoldhippy]

damn man ! for real? 4 people you personally know went from healthy to dead due to covid? scouts honour? i still don't have 1 person i personally know that died

i hope your luck (and theirs) holds. 2 of them were father and son i had known since the boy was born. neither would get vaccinated & ended up dying within days of each other. other two were former hunting buddies that passed within a week of each other. i got through until the Delta version hit, with no funerals to go to.

 

[moose eater]

No pay-wall re. this article from today's Fairbanks paper, re. Alaska now leading the Nation in COVID infection rates, and, as stated earlier, per Amy Goodman's broadcast this AM, most of the world.

Oddly, Alaska was once first in some praise-worthy categories. Not so much, today.

Alaska is leading the country with its Covid-19 surge | Alerts | newsminer.com