Have You Been Vaccinated?

[entropical]

Perhaps a vaccination to keep so many folks from dying while they acquire natural immunity as recent studies suggest? Have you not read those. I’ve posted a few. I know others have. Use your favorite search engine. Seek you’ll find.

If the virus had spread naturally, it would have been localized. We live in the age of globalization. Products and diseases are imported from around the world. Natural immunity alone never had a chance. Folks were and are still needlessly dying or dead.

Sure that would be the at risk groups. I am not arguing for them to not get vaccinated. On the contrary, it should be available to anyone who has a valid medical reason and would make an informed decision to take it (under condition that manufacturers are held liable). My position is that it should be denied to anyone who is not in an at risk group. As for globalization well, I am opposed to it.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Sure that would be the at risk groups. I am not arguing for them to not get vaccinated. On the contrary, it should be available to anyone who has a valid medical reason and would make an informed decision to take it (under condition that manufacturers are held liable). My position is that it should be denied to anyone who is not in an at risk group. As for globalization well, I am opposed to it.

manufacturers ARE held liable if proven in court. watched any of the Oxycontin suits lately? not everyone that gets sick and dies (or survives & suffer from long-term damage) are in an at-risk group. but you would prevent them from being vaccinated. hmmmm. i've had 4 friends (younger & healthier than me) die in the last month. don't like globalization? well, welcome to the 21st century...there aint no going back.

 

[NEW ENGLAND]

Working nurses are heroes.
Non-working nurses(like me) are zeroes.

I've worked with a few zeros still on payroll

 

[gaiusmarius]

manufacturers ARE held liable if proven in court. watched any of the Oxycontin suits lately? not everyone that gets sick and dies (or survives & suffer from long-term damage) are in an at-risk group. but you would prevent them from being vaccinated. hmmmm. i've had 4 friends (younger & healthier than me) die in the last month. don't like globalization? well, welcome to the 21st century...there aint no going back.

damn man ! for real? 4 people you personally know went from healthy to dead due to covid? scouts honour? i still don't have 1 person i personally know that died

 

[gaiusmarius]

anyone who was treating people in the last 18 months for any time is a hero. specially those that stayed at work in the first scary months but all of them deserve way way way better then what they are now getting.

 

[moose eater]

damn man ! for real? 4 people you personally know went from healthy to dead due to covid? scouts honour? i still don't have 1 person i personally know that died

I know 3, and I'm in a much smaller population than AOH.

As of this morning, Amy Goodman of Democracy Now just announced that Alaska is now among the highest infection rates per capita in the world, and that the hospital in the hub village of Bethel has begun rationing care, deciding who is viable, and who is less viable.

You know who the majority of their infected in-patients are? The unvaccinated. So I'll take the numbers that I trust, from persons better known and who answer locally to people they know.

 

[gaiusmarius]

I know 3, and I'm in a much smaller population than AOH.

As of this morning, Amy Goodman of Democracy Now just announced that Alaska is now among the highest infection rates per capita in the world, and that the hospital in the hub village of Bethel has begun rationing care, deciding who is viable, and who is less viable.

You know who the majority of their infected in-patients are? The unvaccinated. So I'll take the numbers that I trust, from persons better known and who answer locally to people they know.

thats nasty, but let me ask again, are you saying you personally know 3 people who went from healthy to dead from just covid? i mean even the worst nations stats seem to show that co morbidities play a major role in the outcomes, thats why im so shocked. those numbers seem very high unless you know only old people. in the end i can only really judge what is happening here. i read about places where its much worse and they are normally in the third word, but of course a for profit pay as you go medical system isn't gonna help the survival rate. here if you get sick even if you have no money you get the same care as everyone, you don't have to worry about the cost if you get sick.

will you ever ask yourself why the hospitals are over loaded with cases worse then at the start even though you have 60% treated with the mrna injection. shouldn't the case load for death and hospitalization be less now that the vulnerable have mostly been injected 2x? the fact that the waves are growing despite the experimental mrna treatment being rolled out on mass seems counter intuitive to me and doesn't help my doubts about this experimental treatment they are calling a vaccine even though it clearly isn't a real vaccine. imagine getting tetanus or rabies after getting vaccinated against it, or measles or polio. those are real tried, tested and proven vaccines, worthy of being called a vaccine. the present mrna treatment is no where near what you traditionally called a vaccine

 

[Cannavore]

NY to fire 70k of the 416 k heroic health care workers that fought on the front line against covid for nearly 2 years, now they are to be made jobless with no right to unemployment. nice.

NY Governor To Fire 70 THOUSAND Healthcare Workers Over Vaccine Mandate!

Good .

 

[Cannavore]

Yeah nurses went from heroes to zeros real quick....lol

92% of healthcare workers are vaccinated in NYC, so no. Keep straw manning though.

 

[gaiusmarius]

92% of healthcare workers are vaccinated in NYC, so no. Keep straw manning though.

oh wonderful, its only 40 k who get fired and lose their right to unemployment. that makes it totally ok. phiew, i thought it was 70k looking to be made homeless for insisting on bodily autonomy. but of course the collectivist have no problem with your body my choice when it comes to forced experimental medical trails on unwilling human subjects. fuck yeah, communism rocks!

 

[moose eater]

thats nasty, but let me ask again, are you saying you personally know 3 people who went from healthy to dead from just covid? i mean even the worst nations stats seem to show that co morbidities play a major role in the outcomes, thats why im so shocked. those numbers seem very high unless you know only old people. in the end i can only really judge what is happening here. i read about places where its much worse and they are normally in the third word, but of course a for profit pay as you go medical system isn't gonna help the survival rate. here if you get sick even if you have no money you get the same care as everyone, you don't have to worry about the cost if you get sick.

will you ever ask yourself why the hospitals are over loaded with cases worse then at the start even though you have 60% treated with the mrna injection. shouldn't the case load for death and hospitalization be less now that the vulnerable have mostly been injected 2x? the fact that the waves are growing despite the experimental mrna treatment being rolled out on mass seems counter intuitive to me and doesn't help my doubts about this experimental treatment they are calling a vaccine even though it clearly isn't a real vaccine. imagine getting tetanus or rabies after getting vaccinated against it, or measles or polio. those are real tried, tested and proven vaccines, worthy of being called a vaccine. the present mrna treatment is no where near what you traditionally called a vaccine

Yes, I personally know 3 persons who went from healthy to dead from COVID. While comorbidities have been a factor, I also know persons who had serious cancers, who lived, despite contracting COVID.

I think you're stuck on a predictability that in real life isn't there; it's a grab-bag virus. And I think you're still viewing outcomes through a lens that's limited to the initial variation of C-19; we haven't been dealing with THAT mutation as the primary culprit for months. 2 months ago, 96% of all new infections in Alaska were Delta. There are other variants here as well.

Alaska doesn't yet have a true 60% fully vaccinated rate. Last I checked Alaska had 52%, then shortly after, 57%, and only recently 59%. That doesn't take into account small or outlying areas, where anti-vaxxing, COVID-denying trends are quite stout. We have protestors at the Fairbanks hospital acting quite hostile toward care providers due to delusional beliefs that they've concocted this whole thing; Docs, nurses, PAs and others providing care have literally been assaulted, cussed at, spat upon, etc.

Between the anti-vaxxers who wouldn't trust science and refused to distance OR mask (in many cases), and those who were vaccinated, so stopped distancing and masking, therein lies your explanation as to why our numbers have skyrocketed.

I've posted much of this before, but this last weekend Alaska had over 4,000 newly confirmed infections, and over 40 deaths; that's ONE weekend in a State with only about 720,000 persons in the entire State. We now have infants in-patient with COVID. Last week the youngest person to die was a woman in her 30s. She was elsewhere in the State, I think, but not sure. This week, the youngest to die locally at Fairbanks was in their 40s. We also have teens who are in-patient, as well.

As far as not demonizing the unvaccinated is concerned, calculate what our landscape might look like now, based on known variables and data, had the majority of this place gotten fully vaxxed early on, AND continued to mask & distance.

And our largest infected population continues to be the unvaccinated.

 

[Cannavore]

Communism is when you get fired from working in a hospital delivering babies and dealing with immune compromised individuals and shit during a pandemic because you refuse to get vaccinated.



lolol get real gaius. my body my choice doesnt apply when you're SPREADING INFECTIOUS DISEASES.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

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[moose eater]

oh wonderful, its only 40 k who get fired and lose their right to unemployment. that makes it totally ok. phiew, i thought it was 70k looking to be made homeless for insisting on bodily autonomy. but of course the collectivist have no problem with your body my choice when it comes to forced experimental medical trails on unwilling human subjects. fuck yeah, communism rocks!

Some of your (body's) autonomy is forfeited during a plague or pandemic, especially when your behavior stands to put others at risk; just as it did during the 1905 Spanish flu. See the General Welfare Clause of the US Constitution, and various emergency powers, as opposed to the Communist Manifesto.

 

[moose eater]

BTW, an article in the NYT this morning states that the Moderna vax seems to have longer lasting efficacy than the Pfizer vax does, though initially, the Pfizer vax held about 1% point better in initial efficacy. Good to know. I've had 3 Moderna shots, and initially had wanted Pfizer, but went with what was available.

My youngest son and my wife both got Pfizer. I'm hoping they become eligible for boosters -soon-.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Most of the masks people wear like the surgical masks mainly protect others from catching the virus from you, although they do provide some protection. Masks like the N95/ P2 provide much greater protection. None of them has a remote chance of causing brain damage. Your posts are full of outright lies. People have been using these in all sorts of industry for years.

Ever seen yourself in the mirror with such a mask on your face lol Large openings on the side of your face with those disposable masks lol
Breath in your own CO2 disbalance your CO2/O2 balance in your blood.
2 neurologists & a cardiologist were talking about this in an interview, but be my guest if you think it's protecting you.
What I notice is that attitude is becoming those witches from the movie Hansel and Gretel lol

 

[moose eater]

thats nasty, but let me ask again, are you saying you personally know 3 people who went from healthy to dead from just covid? i mean even the worst nations stats seem to show that co morbidities play a major role in the outcomes, thats why im so shocked. those numbers seem very high unless you know only old people. in the end i can only really judge what is happening here. i read about places where its much worse and they are normally in the third word, but of course a for profit pay as you go medical system isn't gonna help the survival rate. here if you get sick even if you have no money you get the same care as everyone, you don't have to worry about the cost if you get sick.

will you ever ask yourself why the hospitals are over loaded with cases worse then at the start even though you have 60% treated with the mrna injection. shouldn't the case load for death and hospitalization be less now that the vulnerable have mostly been injected 2x? the fact that the waves are growing despite the experimental mrna treatment being rolled out on mass seems counter intuitive to me and doesn't help my doubts about this experimental treatment they are calling a vaccine even though it clearly isn't a real vaccine. imagine getting tetanus or rabies after getting vaccinated against it, or measles or polio. those are real tried, tested and proven vaccines, worthy of being called a vaccine. the present mrna treatment is no where near what you traditionally called a vaccine

I checked a moment ago, at Alaska COVID19 Data Hub (arcgis.com) and Vaccine Dashboard (arcgis.com), and Alaska is now at about 63+%.

Again, the pockets of persons NOT vaccinating, and the lower efficacy where Delta are concerned, both stand to explain why the infection rates aer what we see here. And those can be seen at the same dashboard I linked to, as well.

 

[Cannavore]

half or more of Americans have comorbidities

as if that's a reason to let people die from an infectious disease anyways lol

 

[Amynamous]

NY to fire 70k of the 416 k heroic health care workers that fought on the front line against covid for nearly 2 years, now they are to be made jobless with no right to unemployment. nice.

NY Governor To Fire 70 THOUSAND Healthcare Workers Over Vaccine Mandate!

Every job I’ve had as a nurse has asked for copies of my vaccination records. Some have also drawn blood to evaluate my titers. Low titers will ensure re-vaccination. Most facilities that provide patient care also require the annual flu vaccine for staff. Requiring vaccinations is not uncommon in the US.

In regards to delta, i read it has a shorter incubation period and a transmissible rate between 6&7. Every infected person will infect 6 to 7 others. The flu has a rate of 2 and original covid had a rate of 3.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Every job I’ve had as a nurse has asked for copies of my vaccination records. Some have also drawn blood to evaluate my titers. Low titers will ensure re-vaccination. Most facilities that provide patient care also require the annual flu vaccine for staff. Requiring vaccinations is not uncommon in the US.

In regards to delta, i read it has a shorter incubation period and a transmissible rate between 6&7. Every infected person will infect 6 to 7 others. The flu has a rate of 2 and original covid had a rate of 3.

So, you're saying that after the vaccine was rolled out, "COVID" became more than twice as infectious?? ...Interesting.