H3ad goes Coco

[Mikell]

Aye, two gallon would be more than sufficient. It's too easy to over water large containers.

 

[shredGnar]

I mean it depends.

I ran 5 gallon pots with one plant per light and approx 8 week veg, I think that is too small. I'm trying 10 gallons this time, although I may only put 8 or so in the pot.

I think 4-5 gallons is ideal for 16 oz plants.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Aye, two gallon would be more than sufficient. It's too easy to over water large containers.

Think it depends on veg time Im doing a long veg and I put em in 5 gals. And will stick with that in flower.

I don't see a problem with overwatering especially in coir with an established root system. There at 3 in a half feet right now and loved the transplant from the 1 gal to 5.


I agree in most cases 2 is fine but large plants do require more room and they show there thanks

 

[Mikell]

I definitely see a potential problem with a new coir grower (sunshine) over watering in larger pots, especially at transplant.

Veg time is definitely a factor, as well as plant care, how much space to fill, etc.

8 weeks veg from an experienced coir grower will give much different result than the same from a first timer.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Hey ss, let me see if I can answer a couple of ur questions, if I miss anything or u have any follow ups feel free to ask away. Ill first preface by saying there is a million ways to due this, so u gotta go with what u want n what works best for u. Ive tried most ways u can grow n with a lot of products/additives. When u understand the fundamentals n have the environment dialed u don't need any additives. gh 6/9 will grow top quality med grade cannabis. its all bout the ratio really. 2 parts micro to 3 parts bloom. so if ur experiencing burn, u can just add less of the same ratio to reduce feed. It turns out that most any decent chem nutrient made for our favorite crop works pretty well for coir when used around 1 to 1.2ec. I mean the very highest yields ive seen anybody report, along with aaa quality. Use whatever crap u want, but nothing else is needed to achieve top yield n quality.

I like using dtw on a autofed open 1/4" tubing for watering. Keep it moist, but not soaking saturated all the time.

Most coirs will work. the top ones come pre hydrated, so u don't have to worry too much about dryness n having to charge them to get the cec in order. I use a lot of the botanicare readygro af. good stuff, but canna, cyco, h n g, all come pretty good out of the bag. ive used plenty of the cheap blocks u have to hydrate too. nothing really wrong with them either, just got to do the prep work n charge them real good.

Im getting ready to switch over to jacks for nutrients. cheaper n just as effective. many people report it being very stable n clean. ratios are in the jacks nutrients thread, n many coir users have success with it. Plus im not supporting the Monsanto evil empire anymore, which bought out gh here recently.

Dude mirac ahah look at my post in the coco coir section I got off the Monsanto GH train too but it bit me in the ass


On the house and garden life now

 

[sunshine247_365]

Thank you for all of the feedback. There are a lot of conflicting opinions on here regarding container size. I have a 7' ceiling. I plan to grow the plants on the larger side to fill the space, since I am working with less numbers. It's been suggested I use between 2 and 8 gallons of coco for that purpose. Assuming I do not overwater until the root system is well established, what size container would result in the largest yield without being excessive for that space?

How does House and Garden compare?

 

[mowood3479]

Imo in coco yield has less to do with container size and more to do with how big u veg the plant and how many times a day u fertigate.
That said, if ur hand watering and don't have a dtw set up I'd think about doing 5gal pots..
I use 2 and 3s myself.. But once they get big they need to be watered every 4-5 hours

 

[sunshine247_365]

Imo in coco yield has less to do with container size and more to do with how big u veg the plant and how many times a day u fertigate.
That said, if ur hand watering and don't have a dtw set up I'd think about doing 5gal pots..
I use 2 and 3s myself.. But once they get big they need to be watered every 4-5 hours

I understand now. With coco, it's less about the size of the container when it comes to yield, but more of a function of the size of the plant being flowered and, if using a smaller container, once the roots are established, making sure to water frequently enough to meet the plants demands and avoid the coco drying out.

In that sense, coco performs more like a traditional hydroponic media than a soil based one. In soil, yield is directly correlated to the size of the container, among other things. With traditional hydroponic mediums like rockwool and hydroton, you can have larger yielding plants in much smaller containers.

Has anyone tried a modified coco medium like Nectar #4 along with the modified Lucas ratio? Would the ammendments to the media throw off the feeding protocol?

 

[maimunji]

Hi I plan to use tap water with 6/9 my tap comes around 140 ppm 0.3 es. What version of micro need to buy. Soft or hard?

 

[stoned40yrs]

Hi I plan to use tap water with 6/9 my tap comes around 140 ppm 0.3 es. What version of micro need to buy. Soft or hard?

Soft version. Hardwater version is for over.4ec. I have .3ec well water and used soft version.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Hi I plan to use tap water with 6/9 my tap comes around 140 ppm 0.3 es. What version of micro need to buy. Soft or hard?

double post

 

[Dr_carljones]

Anybody else running this formula? I ran a closet of blue dream using heads formula. It ended up really good for my first time ever! Yielded 5.6 oz. Off 2 plants under a 400 watt virtual sun. This run is quite bigger running same formula on Ghost OG, pre 98 bubba, & platinum animal cookies. Flipping to flower tomorrow everything looks great so far. Maybe a bit cal-mag hungry just switched from 1gram Epsom/1gallon to cal-mag boost, 2.5ml/1gallon using r.o. Steady mix w/ 1.6 EC. 5.8ph My veg room is 10x10x8 tent with (3) T5 8 tube. Then 2 10x10x8 flower rooms each having (3) 1000w phantom hps non air cooled lights. Which I worry might be too much heat considering I'm only rocking 14,000 BTU air conditioner In each. And also rocking such a high power light with only 8 ft to work with I feel they will be dialed down to atleast 75%. Looking for anybody out there that is rocking this formula! Let me know how it's treating you!?

 

[Dr_carljones]

Oh yeah btw im 3 1/2 gallon hempy buckets wasn't really impressed with the rootball of my blue dream Oh and ignore above post asking if anyone else is using this formula lately and looks like quite a few actually. Head thank you so much for sharing your experience and knowledge. Where are you?! I want to believe off in a laboratory somewhere making mad money growing the finest ganja around! Lol

 

[topshelf_sac]

I understand now. With coco, it's less about the size of the container when it comes to yield, but more of a function of the size of the plant being flowered and, if using a smaller container, once the roots are established, making sure to water frequently enough to meet the plants demands and avoid the coco drying out.

In that sense, coco performs more like a traditional hydroponic media than a soil based one. In soil, yield is directly correlated to the size of the container, among other things. With traditional hydroponic mediums like rockwool and hydroton, you can have larger yielding plants in much smaller containers.

Has anyone tried a modified coco medium like Nectar #4 along with the modified Lucas ratio? Would the ammendments to the media throw off the feeding protocol?

Why bother with the organic matter and additives of thr #4 if you are just going to do the Lucas formula? I would pick either coco and Lucas (or whatever) or nectar 4 and their line or other organics. I personally wouldn't spend more money on the nectar if I was doing lucas.

 

[sunshine247_365]

Why bother with the organic matter and additives of thr #4 if you are just going to do the Lucas formula? I would pick either coco and Lucas (or whatever) or nectar 4 and their line or other organics. I personally wouldn't spend more money on the nectar if I was doing lucas.

Excellent points. Thank you.

 

[maimunji]

Hi all. I plan to use tap water 140 ppm 0.3 ec with 6/9 in coco. I know its strain depending but do I need to buy cal mag products or this will be enough to keep plants healthy without cal mag def?

 

[mowood3479]

Hi all. I plan to use tap water 140 ppm 0.3 ec with 6/9 in coco. I know its strain depending but do I need to buy cal mag products or this will be enough to keep plants healthy without cal mag def?

Hard to say for sure.. I keep some cal mag and Epsom salt on hand just in case I need it... But I rarely ever use it running 6/9. So my answer is u probably don't need it but u might... Epsom salts are cheap. I'd at least have that on hand just in case

 

[maimunji]

Thanks mowood actually I am more worried about Ca def. I will keep epsom around.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Thanks mowood actually I am more worried about Ca def. I will keep epsom around.

If you want to worry about something in coco then worry about giving it feed/water that's ph is between 5.5 and 6.3 EVERY FEED. It's a ph pen that needs to be recalibrated, a ph pen that doesn't work, failing to check the ph of the feed you give every day that will cause a lockout. The vast majority of coco problems result from giving the plant the wrong ph.

 

[Agropop]

Which ph pen do you use stoned40yrs?