H3ad goes Coco

[dr-dank]

Can someone please clarify on all the confusion is it 6 / 9 all the way through or is it 6 / 9 until stretch stops than once stretch stops 6 / 12 for one week then 9 bloom until flush is this correct?

Well, yes, or no, but sort of.

There is what rez did, and what he ended up doing. Then there is what others do.

I was cutting out the micro starting around week 6, but also tried full 6/9 all the way through. I preferred the latter. Seemed to give both additional weight and quality. Sometimes I don't even flush... Having the same feed made things like dripper based feeding possible as I did not have room for the two rezs.

Like all things too many variables to have any one rule that can never be argues against.

Then there is the whole cal/mag e/s thing...

H3ad indicated he could drop the es and that C/M was not needed, but IIRC he was on well water while others had RO or city....

I use RO and have been doing good with .75 Tbs of ES per 5 G; brings my PPMs from starting @ 30 to ~ 60, then add 6/9 and PH to 5.8 to end near 650/1.4 ec. Else I get signs of mag def. I was useing cal/mag in simmilar fashion (either c/m or es, with primary being cm), but have stopped cm and like things so far.

So, you have to try and see what works for you. I could definitely see the ladies yellow up when I would cut the micro, and one cool thing of this method over others, such as KISS with maxibloom, is you have the option if you think cutting N is helpful.

I can say that 6/9 all the way through does work, and nitrogen taste aside, the plants finish better when I leave it in. Some argue the plant should look dead at harvest, etc, but I found that was counter to yield and quality, but could just be my strain, style, environment, etc. When I cut micro they would look dead at finish, that is for sure..

With all this said, I think 6/9 until a week before and then flush is ideal. CM or ES is more complicated. To me it's a function of starting water and strain, along with the grow environment. We have all heard of mag whores, yet some claim its all myth. I feel both are right and that it may well be a combination of genetics and rate of growth, the latter as a function of environment such as light/PAR, co2, temps, etc.

As such there is no single answer here.

I try and split the difference. I figure starting with 60-80 PPM that has e/s added will not burn the plants as I end up with ~ 650 PPM on .5 scale after 6/9, and it seems to helps my gals stay green. If I planned better I would do the flush. Honestly I don't notice the difference and generally don't flush anymore. But my tastes may simply run on the quantity over quality side; not being able to tell the difference makes it easy to forget the flush.


HTHs

 

[Drewtokez]

Well, yes, or no, but sort of.

There is what rez did, and what he ended up doing. Then there is what others do.

I was cutting out the micro starting around week 6, but also tried full 6/9 all the way through. I preferred the latter. Seemed to give both additional weight and quality. Sometimes I don't even flush... Having the same feed made things like dripper based feeding possible as I did not have room for the two rezs.

Like all things too many variables to have any one rule that can never be argues against.

Then there is the whole cal/mag e/s thing...

H3ad indicated he could drop the es and that C/M was not needed, but IIRC he was on well water while others had RO or city....

I use RO and have been doing good with .75 Tbs of ES per 5 G; brings my PPMs from starting @ 30 to ~ 60, then add 6/9 and PH to 5.8 to end near 650/1.4 ec. Else I get signs of mag def. I was useing cal/mag in simmilar fashion (either c/m or es, with primary being cm), but have stopped cm and like things so far.

So, you have to try and see what works for you. I could definitely see the ladies yellow up when I would cut the micro, and one cool thing of this method over others, such as KISS with maxibloom, is you have the option if you think cutting N is helpful.

I can say that 6/9 all the way through does work, and nitrogen taste aside, the plants finish better when I leave it in. Some argue the plant should look dead at harvest, etc, but I found that was counter to yield and quality, but could just be my strain, style, environment, etc. When I cut micro they would look dead at finish, that is for sure..

With all this said, I think 6/9 until a week before and then flush is ideal. CM or ES is more complicated. To me it's a function of starting water and strain, along with the grow environment. We have all heard of mag whores, yet some claim its all myth. I feel both are right and that it may well be a combination of genetics and rate of growth, the latter as a function of environment such as light/PAR, co2, temps, etc.

As such there is no single answer here.

I try and split the difference. I figure starting with 60-80 PPM that has e/s added will not burn the plants as I end up with ~ 650 PPM on .5 scale after 6/9, and it seems to helps my gals stay green. If I planned better I would do the flush. Honestly I don't notice the difference and generally don't flush anymore. But my tastes may simply run on the quantity over quality side; not being able to tell the difference makes it easy to forget the flush.


HTHs

Thank you . I'm still confused but I don't have a cal mag def, I'm using city water 60 ppm 7ph

Plus I heard that the dropping N causes more fat buds...

 

[dr-dank]

Thank you . I'm still confused but I don't have a cal mag def, I'm using city water 60 ppm 7ph

Plus I heard that the dropping N causes more fat buds...

There is more than one way to skin a cat. Not sure on the fatter buds. Perhaps denser... I have heard that dropping N improves flavor/quality. I beleive that H3ad himself confirmed that by dropping the micro he was choosing quality over quantity.

Too much N is bad is late flower. But at same time its late flow where the plant is doing all is can to make bud/resin before it dies, and so seems like a potentially bad time to begin starving it.

I should mention I do perpetual. Having to split early from late is added hassle. I think for those that just do a run, it makes great sense to cut N. The key then is at what week?

HTHs

 

[Xray Kimono]

Not dropping the N before the end makes the buds harder, burn slower, and taste like they still have nutes in them... I run starting with RO add 4ml calimagic, 6/9 , ph down to 5.6-5.8 all the way through until the last 3 weeks of flower. ... Except on days when booster is used.... Then it is just RO and booster w ph 5.8. The last weeks of flower they get 0/9 and 1-2 ml calimagic (only if necessary)for two of the weeks.. Then 1 week of flush with RO.
On a 77 day strain like a Sour Diesel I run 6/9 strengths until day 56 then cut it to 0/9 for 2weeks, then flush..



Cutting the micro and flushing make smoking a much more pleasing experience in taste and harshness.... IME... And i have tried it many many ways.


Peace!
Xray

 

[resinryder]

I miss seeing the H3ADS around.

 

[tick tack toe]

When using a dripper system for multiple feeds a day, should I use full strength 6/9 to the gallon or only go half strength?

I'm using tap water with an ec of 0.7 and hard water mirco.

 

[mowood3479]

I usually use pretty close to 6/9 on a multi feed dtw set up.. Mayb start at 3/4 strength n work up slowly..
1/2 strength seems to low to me.. I'd see probs if I ran it that low..

 

[oti$]

.7 is a pretty high ec to start out with...in my situation I have fed up to 6x lights on with full strength 6/9 +2ml/gal protekt sometimes I'd added a splash of extra water to keep it close to 1.2ec, my tap doesn't even register on my truncheon usually, I'm lucky to have very clean water..oil

 

[tick tack toe]

thanks guys. At full strength I have an EC of 1.6

I checked my meter, looks like i needed to calibrate it. I just got it but it was off by 0.2 ... still my water is 0.4 ~ 0.5

 

[brainzfuxed]

Does the 6/9 work even with t5 lighting or should I adjust it down/lower? What are you all using for dosages for your t5s?

 

[mowood3479]

I don't water down 6/9 for younger plants under t5... I used to but I'd end up with slight mag issues more often. My theory is the extra hours of light off set the lower light intensity

 

[watts]

I use 4/6 under T5 mostly without problems.

 

[brainzfuxed]

Think I can start giving my babies more? I've only feeding them 2/3 and just recently upped them to 3/4.5.

 

[gugulmale]

Has anyone noticed that the GHE Flora Micro/Bloom are different in Europe?
6/9 gives me this. Look at the magnesium and sulfur , what do you guys think?

N 97
P 60
K 112

Mg 82
S 137
Ca 136

Fe 2.333
B 0.1945
Mn 0.9725

zn 0.2917
mo 0.0778
cu 0.1945
co 0.0097

 

[gugulmale]

Ps that is without epsom salts. 6/9 Micro / Bloom , in the UK. Double checked all figures.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Yes, it's been discussed on this forum before. Using the Europe GH micro and bloom at a 6/9 ratio is not the same and does not work.

 

[gugulmale]

Hey Man did you ever work out what caused this and what did you do to rectify it?

this is my first grow, Nirvana's Northern Light. About two weeks ago something went wrong and I seriously burned my girl. I'm feeding twice a day with 6/9, mixing my tap water with distilled water. Before accident I had run off at up to 750ppm with weekly flushes when run off got above 850. As you can see from the photo, I lost a great deal of leaves and I guess that significantly reduced grow rate. I noticed that a couple of new leaves are getting curly which I think is an indication that something is still wrong. I have no idea when things went south. What can I do to help my plant to recover? What I do wrong?
Please help, I'm desperate!

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[gugulmale]

Yes, it's been discussed on this forum before. Using the Europe GH micro and bloom at a 6/9 ratio is not the same and does not work.

Where does it say that?

 

[stoned40yrs]

Where does it say that?

I don't remember which thread, I've read thousands of threads on here, I remember what was said and that's as far as it goes. I don't have no filing system in my head. I remember one of the guys contacted GH and talked to them about the difference in formulas. Call them if you need answers.

 

[shredGnar]

I don't remember which thread, I've read thousands of threads on here, I remember what was said and that's as far as it goes. I don't have no filing system in my head. I remember one of the guys contacted GH and talked to them about the difference in formulas. Call them if you need answers.

I believe it talks about it in this thread...