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H3ad goes Coco

gugulmale

New member
Right guys, after a lot of research , messing about with canna stats etc and directly contacting GHE and GE I can confirm that the GHE Micro and GHE Bloom ( at least the ones in the UK ) are almost identicle.

I can confirm that if the US GE Micro/Bloom would work at 6/9 then so would the GHE products. The formula has changed and now just about matches the US product.

I will start a thread on it sometime.
 

Campesino

New member
Thank you

Thank you

H3ad,

Please accept my first ever icmag post as a thank you for this tremendous resource. I've learned so, so much. :tiphat:

Campesino
 

gugulmale

New member
Just for everyone here is directly from GHE.

Hi,




Floraserie US and EU are same formula and same process.

Indications on labels are "analysis minimum guaranteed". The way labels are done has to be adapted to country rules which are different in US and EU.





Regards,



Thomas - GHE
 

Phases

Member
One of the greatest threads ever once I started following the 6/9 ratio in coco I knew I had found something awesome and simple. My plants and roots love it. I have never seen roots like I get in coco!

Thanks H3ad for all the information and sharing your experience!!

Good vibes...
 

gr866

Active member
Veteran
I have been using H3ad's modification for a number of grows now, with nice success, the one change I have made is that I use 1-2 ml Cal/Mag. I have found that different strains may require slight changes to this method. I guess like anything you just watch your ladies and give them what they request. Example, my Black Widow grow just could not tolerate the 6/9 so being a White strain I backed off 1/3rd and on my White Rhino grow and she is loving it.

I attempt to keep my ppm in the 657 to 775 range, as I found that the near 900 that I used on the Black Widow just did not work for me with that strain.

I grow in Botania coco/Growstone at 75/25 in Hempy buckets. I flush just before starting 12/12, mid 12/12 and 10 days before harvest.
GR
 

Agropop

Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.bob View Post
Hey I live in Europe and want to try out the 6/9 formula. My tap here is ec 0,85 (595ppm) so I thought that is to high for any grow?? So I have bought ro unit and now I comes out at 100ec (70ppm). And I want to buy the micro for soft water. Would my calcium magnesium level get to high? Any ideas to what I should do?

70ppm is good to go. Use regular micro.


I have RO water but I dont know how clean is, because my bluelab trunchton ec meter does not detect anything, so I can tell for shure my water is below 0.2ec--> 100ppm 0.5 scale...
I have ghe micro-HARD water and Im using RO water and 5/10 formula (cfl low light power) I would like to know how wrong is this hard water micro with RO water and If I need to go and buy soft water micro bottle??
 

sunshine247_365

New member
Update on growing in coco

Update on growing in coco

As my first post, I would like to pass along thanks to H3ad and the following contributors to this post: TheHobbit, Mountain High, RetroGrow, theother, Miraculous Meds, stoned40yrs, resinryder and dr-dank.

I'm a legal patient in Michigan. I've grown for many years in hydroponics using rockwool and hydroton for media. I transitioned to a soil medium, fed with actively aerated compost teas a few years back. I am attempting to scale up my basement model to a larger sized grow to care for more patients. As my present organic methods have become too labor intensive for me, I would like to transition to a coco based grow that is capable of being scaled up. So, I have growing experience with cannabis on a smaller scale in rockwool and hydroton, but none to speak of in coco on a larger scale.

After reading through this thread, I'm hoping that some users will share some updated information for clarification. Assuming that the light levels and the environmental factors are tuned in...

What is your favorite modified Lucas ratio for growing in coco?

What are your preferred line of nutrients and supplements, if any?

What is your preferred type of system for growing in coco?

Also, as an update, which brand and type of coco have you had the most success with?

I found the above users to have the most constructive and helpful information posted in this thread (no offense to anyone I left out as this is a huge thread); though, there were significant differences in their approach. As a new member, I am unable to contact them directly. For those of you who have read through the forum and have enough experience to answer these questions, please share your thoughts. Thank you in advance for your advice!
 

gr866

Active member
Veteran
I am a hobby grower for my own meds. Arthritis, nerve damage from motorcycle wreck, broadsided by a big chevy that ran a stop sign at 45 mph, the Bitch. Fuck-it I survived and I'm alive!

I run a 7+ sqft x 72" diy cabinet.
400W HPS for flower, 400W MH for veg.
I also have a CLW SS400 5W LED that I use for closet plants (clones) readying them for the cabinet.
I do two grows a year, fall (start in late summer) and spring I start now with clones (four to five weeks prior to harvest of the fall grow).
My goal is to get 10 to 16 zips per growing season.
If I see I will have enough to last me the year I give the remainder to cancer patients. Have a doctor friend who calls me if there is someone in need that I can help.

What is your favorite modified Lucas ratio for growing in coco?

I have used H3ad's modified Lucas at his suggested rate and I find it a little strong. His rate is 6ml Micro / 9ml Bloom + 1 gram Epsom, my change to this is 4ml / 6ml + 1 gram Epsom and I add 2ml Cal/Mag.

What are your preferred line of nutrients and supplements, if any?
I use General Hydroponics Micro and Bloom, GH Cal/Mag HEB Epsom.
1 week prior to going 12/12 I begin adding 1ml Rapid Start, 2.5ml Liquid KoolBloom, 1ml Floralicious and 1 tsp organic molasses.

What is your preferred type of system for growing in coco?

I grow in Hempy buckets, varying sizes depending on how many plant I want to run, I use a lot of regular seeds so I usually have more buckets going than I end up with. I have begun taking clones as of late.
I use Coco/Growstone, 75/25.

Also, as an update, which brand and type of coco have you had the most success with?
Have used two types but have settled on Botanicare CocoGro.
The other I used was CocoTec, did not care that much for it.

Peace out Brother,
GR
 

gr866

Active member
Veteran
:rasta:
Sorry forgot to mention my water source is either rain water or RO and I pH my water/nutes to 6.8.

GR
 

sunshine247_365

New member
Thanks for sharing your information so quickly!

Has anyone had any success modifying the Lucas formula for use with other nutrient lines in coco? I've been interested in trying Nectar of the Gods based on some of the medicine I have been seeing lately. Any advice?
 

Miraculous Meds

Well-known member
Hey ss, let me see if I can answer a couple of ur questions, if I miss anything or u have any follow ups feel free to ask away. Ill first preface by saying there is a million ways to due this, so u gotta go with what u want n what works best for u. Ive tried most ways u can grow n with a lot of products/additives. When u understand the fundamentals n have the environment dialed u don't need any additives. gh 6/9 will grow top quality med grade cannabis. its all bout the ratio really. 2 parts micro to 3 parts bloom. so if ur experiencing burn, u can just add less of the same ratio to reduce feed. It turns out that most any decent chem nutrient made for our favorite crop works pretty well for coir when used around 1 to 1.2ec. I mean the very highest yields ive seen anybody report, along with aaa quality. Use whatever crap u want, but nothing else is needed to achieve top yield n quality.

I like using dtw on a autofed open 1/4" tubing for watering. Keep it moist, but not soaking saturated all the time.

Most coirs will work. the top ones come pre hydrated, so u don't have to worry too much about dryness n having to charge them to get the cec in order. I use a lot of the botanicare readygro af. good stuff, but canna, cyco, h n g, all come pretty good out of the bag. ive used plenty of the cheap blocks u have to hydrate too. nothing really wrong with them either, just got to do the prep work n charge them real good.

Im getting ready to switch over to jacks for nutrients. cheaper n just as effective. many people report it being very stable n clean. ratios are in the jacks nutrients thread, n many coir users have success with it. Plus im not supporting the Monsanto evil empire anymore, which bought out gh here recently.
 
H3ad!

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sunshine247_365

New member
Thank you Miraculous Meds. That is a straight forward explanation. After what I have been doing for years, my mind is partially blown. I'm looking forward to saving some money without sacrificing quality. Thank you also for the tip on the Jack's thread.

As I've never grown in coco before as a medium, is a single, open 1/4" autofeed line enough to keep an entire container moist (assuming most people are using around the 6.5L size containers)? I'm also assuming that the goal is to water as many times as possible without over-saturating the media and also minimizing the waste runoff.
 

Miraculous Meds

Well-known member
Thank you Miraculous Meds. That is a straight forward explanation. After what I have been doing for years, my mind is partially blown. I'm looking forward to saving some money without sacrificing quality. Thank you also for the tip on the Jack's thread.

As I've never grown in coco before as a medium, is a single, open 1/4" autofeed line enough to keep an entire container moist (assuming most people are using around the 6.5L size containers)? I'm also assuming that the goal is to water as many times as possible without over-saturating the media and also minimizing the waste runoff.

For maximizing potential rapid growth, ur goal is on point with the multi waterings, yet not overwatering.

Now with the 6.5's or 2's I call em, I like 2 lines to spread the flow more evenly. I sometimes even put a t on the end of them so there is 4 points of watering. but that's probably not really necessary with the 6.5's. If u want to use just one line n spread out the flow, then u could use the t, and a small extension of a inch or so on both sides of the t to water both sides of the pot.
 

sunshine247_365

New member
That's also how I've set up drip emitters/open autofeed lines in the past for some vegetables growing in containers outside. Thank you for the description.

With a soil based medium indoors, I would end up in 10-15 gallon containers with medical plants. With hydroponics, growing in hydroton, ebb and flow buckets, I would use 2.5-3 gallon containers. If I have the plants in veg between 5 and 8 weeks, depending on strain, to use as much of the available ceiling height as I have in my basement, would a 6.5 L (~2 gal) container with coco be big enough to accommodate a larger plant indoors, using the modified Lucas ratio? My lack of experience working with coco is why I have a hard time wrapping my head around it performing more like a traditional hydroponic medium than soil.
 

dr-dank

Member
. . .

What is your favorite modified Lucas ratio for growing in coco?

What are your preferred line of nutrients and supplements, if any?

What is your preferred type of system for growing in coco?

Also, as an update, which brand and type of coco have you had the most success with?

...

Thanks for the call out. Undeserved but thanks anyway. Here is my update:

What is your favorite modified Lucas ratio for growing in coco?

I recently switched back to 6/9 from jacks/calnit . I use RO water and add about 2 grams epson salt. No cal/mag at present.

same for veg and flower. Fresh rooted clones get 1/4 - 1/2 strength first few waterings.

What are your preferred line of nutrients and supplements, if any?
KISS with 6/9 and a little mag sulfate. About 600 PPM, ph 5.8.

Look for my update in the jacks/calnit thread. I was not happy with it and did a side by side hand watered DTW to compare 1:.67 jacks cal/nit to GH 6/9. The 6/9 did better, which made me remember things were beter back in 6/9, so I switched back.

I think the reason some have mixed results is there seems to be high K for coco, which is what I use.

What is your preferred type of system for growing in coco?

Coco. Drain to waste. Now using blumats to assist with labor. I try and do a hand water/mini flush at least 1xweek as I feel the BM with no run off over time will build up salts.

Do check out the blumat thread. keeps them wet and saves sooooo much water/work. Small risk of flood due to elevated res or pressure pump. Make sure you have as much drain as res is all I can say....

Also, as an update, which brand and type of coco have you had the most success with?

I use botanicare and canna. Generally per-moistended. Normally right out of bag with no rinse or testing.

Regards
 

Miraculous Meds

Well-known member
That's also how I've set up drip emitters/open autofeed lines in the past for some vegetables growing in containers outside. Thank you for the description.

With a soil based medium indoors, I would end up in 10-15 gallon containers with medical plants. With hydroponics, growing in hydroton, ebb and flow buckets, I would use 2.5-3 gallon containers. If I have the plants in veg between 5 and 8 weeks, depending on strain, to use as much of the available ceiling height as I have in my basement, would a 6.5 L (~2 gal) container with coco be big enough to accommodate a larger plant indoors, using the modified Lucas ratio? My lack of experience working with coco is why I have a hard time wrapping my head around it performing more like a traditional hydroponic medium than soil.

whats ur target yield per plant. ive pulled 10 zips off the 6.5's, but 8 weeks is an awful long time to be in those pots n then flower. U might want to end up with 3 gals or 4gal pots. again it really depends on ur plan. yield per plant goal, and plants per flower wattage?
 

sunshine247_365

New member
Thanks for the call out. Undeserved but thanks anyway. Here is my update:

What is your favorite modified Lucas ratio for growing in coco?

I recently switched back to 6/9 from jacks/calnit . I use RO water and add about 2 grams epson salt. No cal/mag at present.

same for veg and flower. Fresh rooted clones get 1/4 - 1/2 strength first few waterings.

What are your preferred line of nutrients and supplements, if any?
KISS with 6/9 and a little mag sulfate. About 600 PPM, ph 5.8.

Look for my update in the jacks/calnit thread. I was not happy with it and did a side by side hand watered DTW to compare 1:.67 jacks cal/nit to GH 6/9. The 6/9 did better, which made me remember things were beter back in 6/9, so I switched back.

I think the reason some have mixed results is there seems to be high K for coco, which is what I use.

What is your preferred type of system for growing in coco?

Coco. Drain to waste. Now using blumats to assist with labor. I try and do a hand water/mini flush at least 1xweek as I feel the BM with no run off over time will build up salts.

Do check out the blumat thread. keeps them wet and saves sooooo much water/work. Small risk of flood due to elevated res or pressure pump. Make sure you have as much drain as res is all I can say....

Also, as an update, which brand and type of coco have you had the most success with?

I use botanicare and canna. Generally per-moistended. Normally right out of bag with no rinse or testing.

Regards

Hi dr-dank. Thank you for taking the time to reply and for sharing your knowledge.

Great summary of what you have found successful. I appreciate the links to the jacks/nit and blumat threads. Those should help me to fill in the blanks. Much appreciated!
 

sunshine247_365

New member
whats ur target yield per plant. ive pulled 10 zips off the 6.5's, but 8 weeks is an awful long time to be in those pots n then flower. U might want to end up with 3 gals or 4gal pots. again it really depends on ur plan. yield per plant goal, and plants per flower wattage?

Hello Miraculous Meds. My goal will depend on the strain. I would only veg for 8 weeks if the strain needed it. I am in a basement, so my ceiling height is limited. I do tend to veg them on the larger side, since I have limited numbers to work with in my present situation. I will go with a 3-4 gallon pot in coco, since I veg them larger. This would coincide with my goal of yielding as much as possible for each strain in my given space, without being limited by the size of the container or by using too large of a container for coco medium. As I am new to growing in coco, I do not want to throw a number out there as an unrealistic expectation of what I will yield.
 

bigdad41296

Member
Hello Miraculous Meds. My goal will depend on the strain. I would only veg for 8 weeks if the strain needed it. I am in a basement, so my ceiling height is limited. I do tend to veg them on the larger side, since I have limited numbers to work with in my present situation. I will go with a 3-4 gallon pot in coco, since I veg them larger. This would coincide with my goal of yielding as much as possible for each strain in my given space, without being limited by the size of the container or by using too large of a container for coco medium. As I am new to growing in coco, I do not want to throw a number out there as an unrealistic expectation of what I will yield.

I personally think 3 gallons is plenty in coco I sure wouldn't run a bigger pot for indoor.
 
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