Guerilla Underground Thread

[Dday391]

It's there bird seed that won't attract other animals? Where my potential spots are not readily accessible 24/7 more like once every 8 weeks.. would it be super bad if I used a systemic bug/ fungus prevention on the surrounding vegetation and not on the plants themselves? I don't want to kill off the natural life just keep it at bay lol and I feel like the whole area should be considered around the plot for preventative measures. Idk I'm just coming off a bad year and not trying to repeat the same results hahaha.

 

[Dday391]

Also @hoypare you kill me with the monkey suit lol! Fucking awesome

 

[Kankakee]

For best results you want plants growing under natural light cycle so work backwards off daylight indicators if growing outside. The plant can tell what time of year off red spectrum and early lighting at dawn and dusk. These inputs will combine with genetic history within the seed itself. Look at natural growth of wild flowers in your area for indicator

Never use artificial lighting.

Starting early does not produce more. I've started plants early and then later and had the later ones out produce the early starts.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Our business/hobby has a learning curve that never seems to end, which is a major reason I love it. Smoking is fun, but growing for me is a blast.

This is the first year I've gone on a seed hunt between dives (2 wrecks and one shark) and kitesurfing. While I did score some great seeds (time will tell), I also picked up more parasites than you would believe walking to an unimpressive small grow (about 200 dispersed plants). My wife started calling me BullsEye because that's what some of the bites look like (no, they're not tick bites). And Crazy Glue doesn't come from a laboratory, it comes from a Honduran jungle. Shit doesn't come off.

The grower asked that I didn't take pictures because of the level of army activity in the area. They had an election two weeks before I showed up and it turned violent so the army and cops were on edge. I saw 2-3 low flying choppers every couple days and army trucks in places you wouldn't expect in a rural area. I was told it was only for visibility because they weren't stopping anyone, but it made everyone more paranoid than they usually are. Getting caught selling weed is an offence you can buy your way out of for 1-10k usd (depends on the quality of your clothes, vehicle, etc.), but growing will land you in a pile of shit without a shovel. Interestingly, and I'm glad I can't confirm this, they let tourists go if they catch them with a little personal weed. I've been shaken down in Ecuador where they openly asked for $120 while tapping his wrists together imitating handcuffs. I handed the cop $60 and told my very nervous travel buddy at the same time to "get back in the car right fucking now" and we drove off. A little excitement is fun, and I like to come back from a trip with more than a simple "I got a sunburn on the beach" story.

Back to the grower dude at his place.
Him: "Did you get the seeds you were looking for?"
Me: "Yes. I got some bag seed."
Him: "One of these bags?"
and he shows me a 1lb bag of seeds! My reaction was the same as it was the first time I saw a pound of hash in one slab. Let me tell you, a pound of seeds is a fucking load of seeds ok. I didn't ask how many were in there but if there's 40 seeds to a gram (according to Health Canada, 25 wheat seeds=1 gram) , there should be about 18,000 seeds in that bag. I have no idea how many hemp seeds make a gram really. But even if there's only 10k seeds, that a lot of seeds. Then he opens a closet door and has another dozen bags of seeds! Now I've never done a formal seed run, but I imagine collecting that many seeds takes staff. My risk filter is lower than most and I can have a lot of fun when most people start getting nervous, but I suddenly realized this dude was not a small time hobby grower/importer, and felt my stomach drop a couple inches. He gets a shipment, sifts most of the seeds out then portions the weed into 1oz and small $20 bags. Now I realise why I never got whole buds and only what looks like pre ground weed in small bags.

"How much" fell out of my mouth. "$250" he said bouncing the bag to me. Now my head is spinning and I'm thinking.... Fuck did I just buy that bag? How do I get it home? My wife will cut my nuts off and chum the waters with them before she feeds me to the sharks. I'm dead. "I have to figure out how to get it home" I said. "Send the money to Freedo (my buddy/driver) and he'll FedEx them to you" So now I'm getting a bag of Jamaican and a bag of what the locals call "Trash" (the stuff I love). And I don't need a Phytosanitary Certificate because it's being used as Bird Feed. lol. I was going to make a seed run, but why bother now? According to a Canadian Food inspection Agency employee, it'll be up to the border inspector as to whether or not they let it through. Crossing my fingers.

Now the wife thinks I only got a few bag seeds and bug bites. lol. But I have enough for this year already so I'll be popping them end of April and aiming for a June 1st transplant.

Taken from the beach.

 

[Kygiacomo!!!]

For best results you want plants growing under natural light cycle so work backwards off daylight indicators if growing outside. The plant can tell what time of year off red spectrum and early lighting at dawn and dusk. These inputs will combine with genetic history within the seed itself. Look at natural growth of wild flowers in your area for indicator

Never use artificial lighting.

Starting early does not produce more. I've started plants early and then later and had the later ones out produce the early starts.

i have also noticed that my earlier starts in the previous years did not produce more then the plants that i started later. all i had was headaches from the plant because it would start to flower then go back and start again,costing me precious veg time.

 

[MountainBudz]

For best results you want plants growing under natural light cycle so work backwards off daylight indicators if growing outside. The plant can tell what time of year off red spectrum and early lighting at dawn and dusk. These inputs will combine with genetic history within the seed itself. Look at natural growth of wild flowers in your area for indicator

Never use artificial lighting.

Starting early does not produce more. I've started plants early and then later and had the later ones out produce the early starts.

Different results for different folks... But in my 17 years of experience, starting early certainly does produce bigger yields. You have 2 extra months of veg time compared to a few weeks, you will see larger yields. This is just common sense.

I also use artificial lighting.

There is a key to this though and if you don't turn the key correctly your results will be less than optimal.

I start seeds in Feb, March, April, May, June, July and usually the latest on my bumper crops is August. Hoever the last couple years I even did some in first week of September and they did good just yielded low.

My plants started in Feb March and April always out yield the ones started anytime after by double.

Stick around, I'll show ya some trees this season .

 

[MountainBudz]

If you are having problem with plants started early going into flower, this is where artificial lighting comes in.

You can keep them indoors from Feburary to as late as may or June if you really wanted to, if you have issues with plants starting to flower early. Just make sure they match up the same light schedule as outdoors. I personally have excellent results with revegged plants aka (Monster Cropping) but it has to be timed correctly and, is strain dependent.

Now I understand in order to keep a plant housed and pre vegged from Feb or March to May or June you have to have a nice size indoor veg area. This I do have and its required to do this correctly. But it works.

 

[MountainBudz]

Hey Tycho... I am definitely used to these guys...



They practically land in every ones back yards all summer long. Hardcore flyovers in my neck of the woods and they come in packs!

 

[MountainBudz]

Example of a pre season veg room... This was last year. This year the veg room has been extended and will be much larger.

 

[Kankakee]

Sorry should have specified Quality .... you can artificially start them for 12 weeks and produce a larger finished product but at detriment towards final results. And if soil aerated properly in advance and ground turned over in a 12 x 12 area for quick root expansion I stand by original assertion as the overall final size not that much of difference

 

[MountainBudz]

 

[MountainBudz]

These are seed plants... And here is what these plants will look like when time to throw them in the ground come late May or June, with still yet another 2 to 3 months of outdoor veg time added to it... If you dig large holes and amend your ground right you can expect LARGE yields.

 

[MountainBudz]

Those plants put out in May or by June 1st will finish at least 12 to 16 feet tall, as wide as a Cadillac and yield at least 2 to 3 lbs a piece.

I'm going deeply into documentation of my guerilla grow this year. I hope to help those who wanna achieve huge plants with super large healthy yields, all with the ease of the lowest possible maintenece.

 

[Kankakee]

Just one more tip ...

Hemp has seen major production growth regarding final yields when soil turned over in the fall instead of spring tilling.

But I have not tested this yet but was spoken about in government testing white papers.

 

[MountainBudz]

Just one more tip ...

Hemp has seen major production growth regarding final yields when turned over in the fall instead of spring tilling.

But I have not tested this yet but was spoken about in government testing white papers.

Hey Kankakee, thanks for posting beneficial information and knowledge. I'm not trying to or attempting to argue with you over the early planting thing. I always enjoy others experiences... I however have done both and over 17 years have seen "in my own experience" the best results "starting my plants earlier", not necisarrily "planting" earlier. What works for me may or may not work for the next man. But this year I plan to have tons of photos and documentation to prove my methods to being optimal in the guerilla bush.

Talking about turning soil. I just reuse my samenholes every year, every spring I dig them out a few inches wider once I turn them over and over time it add a up. My average holes are dug @ 3 foot wide, 3 foot long and 3 foot deep. I have found wider holes are better than deeper, but you still wanna go at least a foot deep. The earlier you plant the plant or the bigger the plant you plant, the bigger you need the hole. The smaller ones, that I plant late in the year I only dig 8 to 12 inches deep and they maximize their root capacity only at that depth.

There is tons of things I wanna say and wanna share but I just have so much bottled up I can only leak a little at a time. That is why I want this thread stickied... Because my plans for this thread are huge and guerilla growing information is still crucial to more than half of the US and also other countries as well.

Edit: Oh and for those large vegged plants that I posted pics of a couple posts back, those are usually put in holes measuring in around 5 feet wide by 5 feet long at a depth of around 3 feet.

 

[hamstring]

Not an expert but from the large grow threads I have seen on IC mag many growers do start early for larger plants. (More veg time) I cant say if it makes a true difference just pointing out what i have read.

My personal experience goes along with what silverback used to say. Plants put out in June catch up with plants put out early to mid-may because thats when the temps are optimal for growth. Early and mid may equal rain , less sun and lower temps.

That said I think there are more factors to consider about early planting. There is less native vegetation to deal with for us guerrilla growers. Especially for those of us who start their seeds in the bush. That means less competition for sun.

 

[iTarzan]

The two of you are talking about different meanings of "starting early".

 

[MountainBudz]

The two of you are talking about different meanings of "starting early".

You are correct iTarzan...

Putting a seedling "outside" in March and putting a seedling "outside" in June, is not my point.

But starting a plant "indoors" in Feb or March and transplanting to the outdoors in June or May, this is where you get the monsters.

I will make sure and show you guys what I mean by this, this season. I will do a side by side comparison and your minds will be blown if you truly believe that extra 2 months of veg time wether it be indoors or outdoors, but in my case "indoors" will not make much difference. You can double your yield if not triple it this way.

Just stay tuned and subscribe!

 

[MountainBudz]

Not an expert but from the large grow threads I have seen on IC mag many growers do start early for larger plants. (More veg time) I cant say if it makes a true difference just pointing out what i have read.

My personal experience goes along with what silverback used to say. Plants put out in June catch up with plants put out early to mid-may because thats when the temps are optimal for growth. Early and mid may equal rain , less sun and lower temps.

That said I think there are more factors to consider about early planting. There is less native vegetation to deal with for us guerrilla growers. Especially for those of us who start their seeds in the bush. That means less competition for sun.

But if you start them early "indoors" and veg them for 3 months prior you will absolutely increase yields. You can manage the temps and they will be optimal and you will be sitting out 2 or 3 month old plants, 3 foot plus tall, already on the 10th to 15th node and at least 60 shoots. You will be placing this plant in the grow hole while the soil is warm and temperature and daylight hours optimal for growth.

Now I see what you are saying by "those of us who have to start them out in the bush"... Now even in this case my plants I start out from seed in mid March to late March outdoors still do better than anything I put out from seed in May or even June. I am the most random seed planter you will ever run across... I germ and pop seeds on the daily from February all the way up into First week of September and I have seen with my own personal experience that plants started outdoors from seed earlier in the year still do better than those planted outdoors later in the year.

I always take milk jugs and put them over top of my plants for the first 3 weeks if I start them outside early. Also, if the ground is amended correctly with the right amendments the grow hole will remain warmer than the surrounding soil due to the fertilizers and chemical reactions in the soil. You can also take black trash bags cut a small hole in the center and slide over your plant "through it" so the surrounding soil is covered by this bag. It will greatly increase soil temps, this is a tip I have been wanting to throw out there and keep forgetting about. Try it... You will be impressed.

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

It's there bird seed that won't attract other animals? Where my potential spots are not readily accessible 24/7 more like once every 8 weeks.. would it be super bad if I used a systemic bug/ fungus prevention on the surrounding vegetation and not on the plants themselves? I don't want to kill off the natural life just keep it at bay lol and I feel like the whole area should be considered around the plot for preventative measures. Idk I'm just coming off a bad year and not trying to repeat the same results hahaha.

Listen, because this is important:

Before sprays or anything else, the MOST important factor is picking the right strains.

Most strains aren't suitable for growing outdoors because they've been bred indoors for decades -- they have no vigor and depend on controlled conditions and well-kept regimens.

EVEN LESS strains are suitable for growing outdoors in climates where rain and humidity, and so rot, mold, PM, blight, etc. are in overabundance and constitute a problem year in and year out. Lots of people have made outdoor genetics for Cali growers in recent years. Not much has been made for east coast/midwest outdoor growers where resistance to PM, mold, blight, and the rest are crucial.

If you pick the right strains and raise healthy plants, then you've won half the battle.

Don't worry about birdseed attracting other animals. I'm pretty sure the only mammals interested are squirrels.