Greedy Phony MJ growers/entrepeneurs

[LEF]

From what I understand, we all have an ego. It's there to help us survive in the world, as a seperate being.

Some people have inflated ones (I think because there's couldn't develop it to a healthy standard, so they pump it up with air)

 

[LEF]

overpriced consultants taking advantage of people in shitting situations by overcharging them for something they can't do themselves

but to me, this is capitalism at it's best

profit and opportunity

not that this is in accord with my personal value system but this is what america was built upon

 

[bombadil.360]

but to me, this is capitalism at it's best

profit and opportunity

not that this is in accord with my personal value system but this is what america was built upon

capitalism at its best would include competition in the offering of a service or good, and thus force down prices, as the lowest price gets the most from the market.

now that's capitalism.

when there's only a handful of overpriced service providers, that's monopoly and it is opposed to free market capitalism.

peace

 

[LEF]

Read what I said.

I said

Originally Posted by LEF View Post
but to me, this is capitalism at it's best

I don't need you educating me, you already wanted to educate me in the other thread.

 

[St. Phatty]

1. The are the mj business strickly for the money.. greedy fuckers.
2. The say they smoke the ganja but do not at all... lying fuckers.

3. They pretend they are doing a service for the sick but don't give a rats ass.

4.They have massive EGOs and think they are hot shit.

LoL. times was so much cooler when pot was illegal.

>> times was so much cooler when pot was illegal.

In nor California, i agree ... sometimes.

I know one such grower in a state program. Tried to persuade me to stop growing so he could be the designated provider.


AGRO-THERAPY

Growing itself is therapeutic.

I observe that cannabis growers self select for the strains that are most medicinal for them.

 

[LEF]

California could have legalized the herb. They had a vote, but apparently a lot of people that we're (are) involved in the biz voted no so that they could keep on making that money.

From the results it seems that californians prefer profit over well-being of it's residents.

 

[Former Guest]

well it's time for a change. the 1% are not viewed in such a positive light by the majority. this is vastly off topic since someone introduced street bums but i think that history of what we were founded on like you suggest has shown us now in the present that it isn't working. this country was also founded because it wanted all sorts of freedoms and was supposed to be a place people who were persecuted come to be free, but now those values have changed as we have seen what has happened to our economy albeit, i still want anyone to be able to come here. so just because we've been doing this a long time or it's what the country was founded on or any other type of excuse for taking advantage of people, people have changed their minds over time as they've seen how the system can get out of whack. that is the whole reason the Occupy movement started up. too bad it isn't still going but it moved for a long time. people still feel the same way.

back to cannabis though, is capitalism part of the healthcare system? should it be? there are many successful nonprofit medical places you can go to around here that work well for everyone. employees working get a good salary and people get helped. there is no one profiting off of sick people and the people who can't pay their bills don't get sent to collections. the whole thing works beautifully because it's set up like a nonprofit and not some private business like what's happening right now.

why can't growers be reasonable about how much their time is worth? why are such people even bothering to get into this and then are all surprised when people who are being taken advantage of are upset? what the hell were you thinking? any customer being over charged is going to hate your guts. you get over it.

 

[Former Guest]

capitalism at its best would include competition in the offering of a service or good, and thus force down prices, as the lowest price gets the most from the market.

now that's capitalism.

when there's only a handful of overpriced service providers, that's monopoly and it is opposed to free market capitalism.

peace

this is what i was trying to say. thank you!

 

[Kendo The Green]

I guess I am pretty outraged, but not jealous, you have duped people or practically ransomed into paying a $100 an hour by refusing to lower your hourly wage. german car mechanics don't even make that much money per hour! i think that is highway robbery and if you can't think of anything else to retort back with besides "you're just jealous" it just shows how weak that argument is. this type of bullshit is exactly what i was talking about. overpriced consultants taking advantage of people in shitting situations by overcharging them for something they can't do themselves. what part of that screams ethical and okay? i feel so sorry for you as you're the only one to post and brag about it. most of the others have just read the thread.

i obviously have not made the caviar as I'm not trying to pass off shit buds by covering them up and then charging an arm and a leg for a product you came up with just to line your pockets with the crap buds that won't sell.

I'm sorry you don't know the difference between the two: ego and confidence but it really doesn't surprise me after reading your posts. Confidence says I'm valuable while ego says I'm invaluable. ego says i can do no wrong while confidence says i can get this right. similar but vastly different and only a person with confidence can realize this.

I can see why you have issues with valid information others have given. It appears you create a world that fits your skewed perspective and so valid info that does not fit is warped and deemed unfit.
Try some research on Ego and self to get the facts and not your skewed perspective on what you want to believe it is.
I am not sure if you realize this but you just showed your true colors by making up a story that I grow bunk weed or facilitate the growing of bunk weed. Typical reaction for Jealous or hater types who have no platform to operate from and resort to making up false innuendo to attempt subterfuge.
With 40 years of experience, 20 years of consultant work and a litany of satisfied customers your harsh criticism cuts me to the bone, or not!
Here is what $100 an hour gets ya. 13lbs

 

[theJointedOne]

this thread is full of insults and instigations.

 

[Kendo The Green]

this thread is full of insults and instigations.

Honesty breeds contempt, even as much as success does. Entering this thread I opined that what I would say would raise the ire of many.

 

[waveguide]

"interestingly", the person at the bottom of the victim chain is often the one with the most scrupulous sense of principle....

course, contemporary society has little use for principles, outside of the authoritative.

 

[Mikell]

100/hour is not ridiculous. It sets a minimum standard

1. Don't waste their time.
2. Stay on point. See 1.
3. Scale. At that rate, he is only consulting large grows. The impact of his recommendations can run in to the tens, or hundreds, of thousands of dollars.

I've no idea of the consulting industry for cannabis, but it's just another market. The greater the complexity/facility, the higher the price of consultation.

BC is some what unique with our homeless situation. A large percentage were pushed out on to the streets by the government when they shut down long term mental care facilities across the province. Not directly on to the streets though, that would be cruel. They farmed that out to the families of the patients.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

100/hour is not ridiculous. It sets a minimum standard

1. Don't waste their time.
2. Stay on point. See 1.
3. Scale. At that rate, he is only consulting large grows. The impact of his recommendations can run in to the tens, or hundreds, of thousands of dollars.

I've no idea of the consulting industry for cannabis, but it's just another market. The greater the complexity/facility, the higher the price of consultation.

BC is some what unique with our homeless situation. A large percentage were pushed out on to the streets by the government when they shut down long term mental care facilities across the province. Not directly on to the streets though, that would be cruel. They farmed that out to the families of the patients.

I think a grow running only 5 lights can benefit from a consultant if they are only getting .4 or .5gpw. If they could double that, then the consulting fees would be covered in less than the first better grow.

If ur running 4000w and only get 2000g per grow and u can increase that to 4000g per grow that is a gain of 2000g. That means a consultant could get paid that rate for 40 hours and the grower would still net a gain from the very first crop. So I think $100 an hour is a very fair price if u do good work.

A lot of these ideas on treating people fair vs the work ur doing is very subjective. I know when I grew my first crop I wouldn't have sold it for even 50$ and eighth cause where I live I couldn't find that quality for that price. So what would it be worth? to me it was worth smoking! I would actually just give a little away instead of selling it. But if ur going to step it up and take the risk and put in the work, fair compensation should come into play. And the market decides that. Its up to the customers who pay there hard earned money to weed out the scammers and support those that are doing good work and trying to keep it at fair market price.

Its all about educating ourselves so we can make better informed decisions.

 

[DAT]

its just like with any business, your always going to get these greedy bastards who think they are the big fish in the pond. who like to eat up all the other fish like a Barracuda.
and when you talk and reason with them you can tell they have been brainwashed by some company to believe in the almighty dollar$$ , is the only reason your in this. Not because of the patients health or the community that tries to support marijuana businesses. Its a shame they have to deal with these idiots. and I tell u I have seen plenty of them and they don't even smoke pot.Thats how much they care about the weed industry . And maybe if they did they wouldn't like what they see, how they like to poison up the well.
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[DAT]

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[growsjoe1]

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[Former Guest]

I'm specifically talking about the medical community so large legal grows are in a private market while medical should not. I think $100 hr with a $400 minimum per visit is outrageous for the type of consults I was talking about. I keep talking about taking advantage of sick people; not legal grows in it for the money from rec users.

$100,000 per year where I live gets you a nice house in a fancy neighborhood so big growers here can do more with the money than Cali growers who have higher costs of living.

I would also like to point out that medical pot is not taxed and it's not income you have to claim while legal grows have insane taxes.

I know my opinion is not popular with a lot of you but I'm ok with that some may think $100 per hour is ok while some don't. Not everyone wants to pay my hourly rate but people who require my services versus people who want me as a luxury service are two different customers who treat me differently and will pay accordingly.

 

[DAT]

LOL! right on LLBean!. I like your style and your opinions are right in tune with mine. I totally agree.. I like what you say about different customers who treat you differently and will pay accordingly. I do that sometimes too. when I get an asshole disrespectful patient I like to get out the 18 gauge needle instead of the pediatric 25 gauge. lol

 

[Mikell]

I'm specifically talking about the medical community so large legal grows are in a private market while medical should not. I think $100 hr with a $400 minimum per visit is outrageous for the type of consults I was talking about. I keep talking about taking advantage of sick people; not legal grows in it for the money from rec users.

$100,000 per year where I live gets you a nice house in a fancy neighborhood so big growers here can do more with the money than Cali growers who have higher costs of living.

I would also like to point out that medical pot is not taxed and it's not income you have to claim while legal grows have insane taxes.

I know my opinion is not popular with a lot of you but I'm ok with that some may think $100 per hour is ok while some don't. Not everyone wants to pay my hourly rate but people who require my services versus people who want me as a luxury service are two different customers who treat me differently and will pay accordingly.

RE: bold lettering. Now you're on the trolley!

Yes, for a personal medical grow that would be ridiculous. I doubt at a 100 an hour he is wandering in to 1-2 light shows. For that, I am sure there are more than enough DAT's around to help out, and add some cool mojo to the room at the same time And at the same time, many more people that will give BS advice, strut about waving their dicks around, making bold statements only to collect their overcharged rate and walk away.