Greedy Phony MJ growers/entrepeneurs

[LEF]

oh yeah you can make a living out of it

but I think if your goal is to make money and you forget to aim for high grade medicinal flowers then you are not gonna go as far

make money, your entitled to it I think
as long as your flowers are powerful, you can get away with it

I have no problem with people that do it for the money
I think that people that do it for money only, have somewhat of lower quality herb (in general, that's my hypothesis)

but if you do it for money and to get people feeling good, then you are set

to quote this girl that got caught pimping minors recently
"money comes before everything"

not what I think, but it surely fits our society

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

I read an article recently that said politicians and ex cops are taking over some of the new med state opportunities. The same people that put you away are now supplying the herb, kinda disgusting.

Private care giving services are where it's at, I personally wouldn't vote for any med law that didn't provide provisions for private care giving or home growing.

If we don't hold on to our rights now, we stand to lose them forever, because it is much harder to get things changed after the laws are put in place.

 

[growsjoe1]

Ain't capitalism a bitch...

Corporations are the future of Cannabis growing where industry standards are upheld through regulation, paid for by taxation. Safely grown, sustainable, certified pesticide and mold free. In some cases organically certified. Offered in consistent measurable doses. The people will decide what cannabis is offered

Name an industry that is viable that doesn't have profit as a motivation. Somehow people get confused that cooperation getting involved means mediocre, not true. While there will always be your Budweiser of cannabis offered there is going to be a Rolls Royce of weed ofered too for those that want and are willing to pay for cannabis that is hand trimmed and grown with hippy tears.

 

[LEF]

welcome to the jungle

 

[LEF]

yes but, growsjoe1

marijuana was and is often a product for the lower class

afterall, people that don't care about repercussions of getting a criminal record

I think it's stupid to try and sell rolls Royce weed to poor people

poor people should have access to high quality medicine as much as rich people

I for one would describe myself as poor, and If I didn't have access to high quality meds, I would fight for it and would encourage others as well

 

[growsjoe1]

As always the people with the scratch are able to aquire many things that are beyond the masses...don't blame the guy who is trying to make a living for someone who cant afford to even grow his own

MaYBE LEF you are one of those that believe I should just give my resources away...

You work for a living? get paid for your efforts? Or do you do it because people need your efforts and you don't expect to be paid for your 40hrs a week work?

 

[LEF]

I don't think you should work for free, this is not about you
I told you before, I am all for commercial grows

but I am thinking, some people buy luxury items while others starve

high quality meds imho, should not be considered a luxury item

so in the capitalist spirit I say, profit as much as you can, for these things never last

 

[Mikell]

HAH! Thanks for summing up more or less what I was thinking growsjoe.

Profit at the expense of quality is weak business in the long run, not to mention demeaning, but no less ridiculous than the spiritual, holier than thou attitude taken up by so many in the medical community. Out of all the people I've met/spoken to/observed, in the medical scene up here, a very, very small percentage are actual medical users. I highly doubt it is much different south of the border. Yet the majority of people walk around calling it medicine, usually after a short visit to the doctor with some lameduck excuse, while in reality they're just getting high.

Yes, there are people in real need medically, and I share what I have, mostly seeds/cuts as I don't grow much, freely, medical or not. To some people there is a spiritual/holistic nature to cannabis, that's great, I would apply those qualities to a hallucinogen before cannabis, but that's me. And even then, when my legs are all melty and the music is rolling around like waves, I'm mostly just high. Delusion is a wonderful thing though, like a warm mind-blanket to ward off reality.

 

[waveguide]

llb -

yep a lot of folks here are persons who "need to stay up to date". it is in the mutual interests of opportunists to compromise the general well being in order to create need, and forums for any culturally relevant industry often see a high % of b.s. campaigners. unfortunately i've experienced the coordinated effect of collusion at the hands of a widespread fraternal organisation that extends into government(s) et c. and have learned a few things about how they do it and such.

don't let the "bad apples" upset your experience of the cart they are a minority, and conniving is pitiable, they simply lack opportunities for greater aspirations. after all, they're just jockeying for the sweet spot, they're in the same dang cart. don't worry about the individuals, focus on evolving the paradigm.

 

[vapor]

OK So capitalism is trying to get its piece of the pie, mommamia!
So the answer is really simple. Go meet your neighbors and talk to them. My community is small but there are folks suffering from brain cancers etc, kids with life ending cancer on and on it goes. So if you want to see change take some of your next harvest and find a human to help. This is the cannabis way.....Help people be a human. If all your energy goes into chancing dollars then what do you expect! you get out what you put in.No one will do this for you! over grow the world!

 

[stoned-trout]

I have a feeling that we are a short distance from each other the ones here work the same as the ones up your way. there is a movement by someone here local who is trying to set up a bud donation group on facebook for growers to connect with patients in case they got some extra stuff they want to donate. not many people post but one guy does who suffers from a neurological nerve disorder of some sort. he needs meds about once every two months or so and he gets donations from farmers who are at the market I go to. I wanted to start a nonprofit type org to do a bud donation site for patients ran by volunteers along with a fertilizer food bank so you could get grow stuff as well. get some grants from cannabis org's for projects pertaining to med patients in need as long as they can show applicable proof of low income or medical needs with medical bills, I don't see how it could be abused as much as the system already is.

I used to go to dispensaries and steal their patients....I believe grower to patient is the best...fuck the greedy middleman...
soon I am getting back in the game...patients get the meds they need at 1/2 or more less than dispos charge..yeehaw...when you meet truly needing med peeps and get to know them its hard to do otherwise...I lost count of clones,weed ,extra gear ,advise ect I have given away..but I aint rich so it aint all free...I do what I can..aint looking to get rich just do what I love and keep from drowning...don't sell a med patient a gram for 25 and pretend to be compassionate..don't piss on my leg and say its raining either..cause I will punch you in the face and say its hailing softballs...yeehaw...theres some good folks out there still

 

[DAT]

can u see the positive spiritual energy i felt creating these drawing of a Marijuana Flower while high on the Flower?
its not eazy living in a capitalistic society like the USA, alone ,on a mission to share with you my deep connection with this sacred herb.. without a tribe to help support me. This drawing is so fuckin intesnse with energy, when I hold it my hands shake.These were inspired by Photos of ganja posted by growers who I was able to connect with on levels that I fully don't understand how to describe.

 

[Former Guest]

Nonprofit organizations pay employees a wage depending on qualifications, position held, etc and if the expenses are paid, then the rest is given out as grants. The difference is profit and greed. How much is your time worth and would others be pissed if they found out? Bill gates makes uncountable amounts of money and gives away much of it. Giving back in some form is the defining factor. If you got time to upload you colas then you got time to answer a question for a newb. Not many do that because if we grew our own then we wouldn't need you. If you want to be the rich asshole everyone loves to hate I feel bad for you but if you want to be the well off grower who answers questions, donates buds, sells for fair prices, good attitude and goodwill towards others then that is what I want to associate with. Even my guy has spent a few hours talking to me and others about our questions. Business will always be there for him. His good energy will bring that.

Medical should be ran like a non profit and people who want to talk numbers should realize that profiting off of sick people is kin to slumlords, pimps and overpaid CEOS. That is why I thought a revamp in medical laws are in order. Stricter prescription writing so it can't be abused along with home grows for everyone. Med patients get pot who can't grow their own and people who want to get high can home grow. Fuck the middleman.

I like how this is more of a conversation even if I don't agree with everyone.

 

[HempKat]

This thread cracks me up...

Saying that weed is so spiritualistic or whatever and making a profit off producing or selling it somehow makes you a sub human scumbag.

Ha ha Ha...You are paying for a convenience and like any ready to be consumed product that you didn/t make with your own hands are going to pay for that...simple economics. My labor, my knowledge, my skill and resources...yep, I somehow don't get to make a living off those because it's just WEED man. I should just give it away...lutz

Other then a few young idealistic people perhaps, I seriously doubt anyone else really begrudges a commercial grower from making a reasonable living. The question though is what is reasonable? If the law becomes anyone can grow it but only licensed places/people can distribute it then sure it's reasonable to charge for what others are unwilling or unable to do for themselves. What gets me about a lot of so called "Professional/Commercial" growers is they would rather see things decriminalized for simple possession so they can continue to keep the prices up there because it would still be illegal to produce and sell which would keep prices high due to risk and not everyone would be able to grow their own even if they knew how.

 

[stoned-trout]

I cant draw a decent stick figure even if stoned...I wasn't gifted that talent and no amount of drugs will make it happen....respect to the artists...my gift is growing ,mechanical and hunting/fishing..i am also good at bad relationships.......yeehaw

 

[fulltimehuman]

thank god we live in America, vote with your dollar at the supplier of your choice. But at least its OUR CHOICE. So use your domestic authority to self-rule how you wish. Just Don't trespass on ANY foreign jurisdiction to your 'home rules'. wink wink

Also Ladyluckybean I find the same general vibe of ego and no its not pleasant. I also am no 'expert' but I've thrown down a few big rooms. Sometimes FEAR is just a bigger motivator than LOVE. As there are only two base motivators FEAR/LOVE. We choose thousands of times on the daily! LOVE to you lady.

 

[Former Guest]

in general I feel that icmag has a lot of great members on here and most of them are fearful to comment. I also feel like there are some big growers on here that are good people in general and they respond to questions when asked and are not troublesome. its a select few really that ruin it. that few is the reason I deleted the original account I had. then people came on my thread and told they how they wanted me to come back and I felt that good love vibe that should be there when you're stoned. so I made a new account, decided not to let the few bug me and to speak out when things bothered me. so I am talking, trying to create a movement

 

[Red Berry]

at least the guy growing pot working at mc donalds trims his own plants.....living the dream....sounds like stress and where you gotta watch your back while your values go in the toilet.

Two jobs is not allowed. growing is the same as fire fighting .

the reason why growers cant find good trimmers is that people who don't want to put up with attitudes and egos won't trim for you. people who will put up with that will do it because they can steal from you. in the end, I hope karma straightens it out.

being put into an intimate situation in any isolated place usually triggers that stuff lol i find that to be a small part of the job and more of a personalty disorder or trait .

how they talk about your grow and the work they do for you and the effect it has on their ego is the part the grower needs to pay attention to . should NEVER change your personality so you can be compatible with a trimmer cuz they will notice when you stop faking it.

 

[Former Guest]

I'm self employed and go into peoples homes when they're not there. I don't nose around their stuff, do what I'm supposed to and lock up with the key. some of these people I've only seen a few times and they found me on craigslist and gave me the key to their home or code for the alarm. A keen sense of people's intentions works pretty well although I have been burned a few times and it's the wolf in sheeps clothing that ruins it for everyone.

we should talk about consultants! lets give the commercial growers a break lol. I don't know how many consultants have started up a business overnight, charge 50% and they don't know shit....that's just about if not more shady than the commercial grower you never meet. this guy comes into your home and pretends to be smart and fucks you while shaking your hand. I don't know how many times I've been given shit info by a consultant.

 

[desert fox]

its going to be a rocky road for the next few years.

I look at as, Shit...I am sure 90% of us has bought and smoked oregano at some point in our lifetime. Was it a learning experience? Oh hell yea!!!!!

Uninformed consumers are going to line the pockets of the greedy for a long long time. Eventually even the slowest of the slow kids that ride on the short bus will learn.

The Power of the $$$

I have a place where I buy edibles and they make some nice hash. I have no problem voicing my opinion that the weed they sell is sub par and that's why I usually wont give them a dime for green, but they don't treat it as liquid gold and so be it. They got an interesting marketing strategy.

It not hard to size up a business, see what is offered on the menu, and price. If they pedal crap, I know where the door is. Capitalism at its finest.