Greedy Phony MJ growers/entrepeneurs

[fulltimehuman]

yep I remember the old 'patchouli' is 'honey oil' trick back in the day.
And while I'm at it what in the hek do co-ops give or sell 'leaf' and
call it a 'pre-rolled' joint? And if I asked a friend to help a brother out
with a jay and he gave me leaf....he would never hear the end of it.
Pretty easy to 'weed out' crappy businesses with that despicable policy.
Its like we really want your business and have real quality cannabis, here
smoke this water leaf joint....its FREE!

 

[D. B. Doober]

there's no dispensary in Boston yet and I'm stuck paying $400 an ounce for outdoor stuff from California that wasn't good enough to go to a dispensary. Then I see the Portland med scene and they have their best strains at 250 an ounce. wtf? I'm going to grow my own

 

[Kendo The Green]

Having just commented on a similar topic at another site

Having just commented on a similar topic at another site

I will repost my comments here.
After reading what many have written in this thread these comments will probably not be received well. Honesty is one of the things I have become known for over these online years and there is no reason to stop now.
The old school hippy adage that ,"The Herb should be free" is DEAD! BURY IT!
Even the old school Hippies who said that are profiting from the herb these daze. I would venture to say that 99% of the persons who decry the Profiteers are in fact PROFITING from the herb and all this Cash Cropper banter is nothing but bluff and bluster.
It would probably kill you all to know that some of the high level movers and shakers in this industry....DO NOT SMOKE! and profit tremendously.

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The dynamic that the ," you are a drug dealer" posters at these sites portray is something I have pondered from the first weeks of posting at Overgrow.
After Decades of interaction with growers, marketers, users of cannabis I thought I had seen it all. When I began posting at Overgrow I saw a dynamic that I had not been exposed to. "The Magnanimous dance" Growing Pot had always been a way for me to be," That Niggah" Smoking everybody out and Sharing was the key, lots of caregivers around before care-giving became cosmopolitan.
At Overgrow I noticed very quickly the," I am more generous than you" posts, where people would competitively HIGHLIGHT just how generous they were, as though doing for others was some type of competition that needed stats recorded and MVP awards. LMFAO!
Inflated egos, Boosted personas based on chronologically detailing ,"Selfless gifts" The irony was as tart as a lemonhead, I hates me some lemonheads.
Watching these types run around portraying themselves as karmic gods I found another dynamic that attached itself to this scenario, The "CASH CROPPER" accusation.
Used to further elevate themselves this accusation is standard fare in this scenario as it creates an illusory image that the accuser does not sell their wares.
Being a curious type I researched many of these,"Selfless" heroes. finding that the VAST majority were FULL OF SHIT!!! and the image portrayed of the selfless hero who gives all the herb away was just that, a portrayed image. Meeting quite a few of these heroes face to face I found that the realty was far from the image and the VAST majority of the, self proclaimed selfless were as deep into making money off the herb as anybody else.

 

[Kendo The Green]

I'm self employed and go into peoples homes when they're not there. I don't nose around their stuff, do what I'm supposed to and lock up with the key. some of these people I've only seen a few times and they found me on craigslist and gave me the key to their home or code for the alarm. A keen sense of people's intentions works pretty well although I have been burned a few times and it's the wolf in sheeps clothing that ruins it for everyone.

we should talk about consultants! lets give the commercial growers a break lol. I don't know how many consultants have started up a business overnight, charge 50% and they don't know shit....that's just about if not more shady than the commercial grower you never meet. this guy comes into your home and pretends to be smart and fucks you while shaking your hand. I don't know how many times I've been given shit info by a consultant.

As a 20 year canna-consultant I can tell you this is 100% true IMHE. Countless BASSackwards setups done by,"Consultants" that needed to be completely redone. Basics like pushing air through the venting system as opposed to pulling, harvesting technique, etc.

 

[Former Guest]

I like a lot of the people from overgrow who've come onto here or sadly, they stopped doing forums after their accounts were gone. most of those people have been very helpful and giving to others. I don't mind if they're making some money too as long as they're giving back. I'm looking for a "pay it forward" attitude. all this taking just depletes the community, has a natural selection to kill off the good hearted people, so sadly, you're right that only the ego's, greedy, shady people are going to climb to the top.

and from your rant, it sounds like you've been charging for 20 years and the hippie love of giving freely has hurt your business and it's probably only up until now that things have gotten good since this is now a common attitude. I can see how that could irritate a business man.

pay it forward people.

 

[fulltimehuman]

But theres no money. We imagine this worthless paper that people graciously still accept for goods and services is money.I rely on TRUST. There IS NO MONEY! I have one commodity immediately available to use and its my attention. I pay attention when I'm not floating in the currents of unconsciousness, which like most is almost all the time. Not that I haven't traded goods and services to another for goods and services......wink wink.
Life is a PARADOX......more and more every moment. Maybe you see money and the power its system channels as the evil, you can always reimagine what it is, and diffuse its empty power.

 

[Kendo The Green]

I like a lot of the people from overgrow who've come onto here or sadly, they stopped doing forums after their accounts were gone. most of those people have been very helpful and giving to others. I don't mind if they're making some money too as long as they're giving back. I'm looking for a "pay it forward" attitude. all this taking just depletes the community, has a natural selection to kill off the good hearted people, so sadly, you're right that only the ego's, greedy, shady people are going to climb to the top.

and from your rant, it sounds like you've been charging for 20 years and the hippie love of giving freely has hurt your business and it's probably only up until now that things have gotten good since this is now a common attitude. I can see how that could irritate a business man.

pay it forward people.

This one took some interesting detours down the avenue of incorrect conclusions. Bear with me as I attempt to clear some misconceptions.


Pay it forward, Or not, personally I could care less what others do with their wares. Give it away, sell it, whatever. It's none of my business. The notion that people who profit from herbs are required to give it away or be bad people is simply ludicrous.

I did not allude that only shady, greedy, egotistical people would rise to the top? I personally don't think so. I know many of the those climbers personally, I find the vast majority to be motivated, dedicated to success and generous to a fault.
Egos? I love persons with BIG EGOS, confident, dynamic, assured, self-loving. These are traits that many of who do not possess will find unattractive. I feed off confidence, I operate dynamically, very self assured and Man do I love myself. Ego is as Ego does.

Way off base as far as the rant is concerned. The hippy love comment and the Consulting comment are 100% unrelated.
To be truthful I am not quite sure how you came to the conclusion that Hippy love has hurt my 20 year running canna-consulting business in any way?
I charge for my consulting time, $100 an hour to be exact, with a litany of satisfied clients going back these 20 years. Legal business ventures tend to charge for their time as that is how businesses stay in business. when I teach a a person to grow I ALWAYS offer up a pay it forward mantra, yet I do not believe that it is a requirement of growing.

 

[bombadil.360]

I read an article recently that said politicians and ex cops are taking over some of the new med state opportunities. The same people that put you away are now supplying the herb, kinda disgusting.

'kinda disgusting' is pretty mild compared to what I'm thinking...

what a bunch of evil fuckers...

 

[Mikell]

But theres no money. We imagine this worthless paper that people graciously still accept for goods and services is money.I rely on TRUST. There IS NO MONEY! I have one commodity immediately available to use and its my attention. I pay attention when I'm not floating in the currents of unconsciousness, which like most is almost all the time. Not that I haven't traded goods and services to another for goods and services......wink wink.
Life is a PARADOX......more and more every moment. Maybe you see money and the power its system channels as the evil, you can always reimagine what it is, and diffuse its empty power.

There's one in every crowd...

"Yeah man, money is bullshit, money doesn't exist man, hey, pass me another one of your beers man"

Wrap this up by borrowing/paraphrasing a few of Kendo's words

Money, ego, confidence, success, all alike in that those who do not possess them will find them unattractive.

 

[stoned-trout]

I hope to someday work on one of these overpriced consultants vehicle...cause my new improved master mechanic rate per hour just went to 300$$$$ lol....and you just blew a head gasket .....yeehawww biotches..making the $$$ is fine with me..just don't say your compassionate if your overcharging sick peeps...I don't care what you charge reg smokers...meds should be reasonable..

 

[Miraculous Meds]

This conversation is just a microcosm in everything in life. there are good like minded people that want to do the right things, treat people well and try and make a life or or living from it. Then there are those that want to manipulate and lie just to scam a buck. then there is every single thing in between.

U have to feel ur way through the different people and their motivations, find like minded people and surround urself with them. Expose those that are shady. Then move on, live, and do, the way u want to, and make ur reality what u want.

The more experiences u have, the easier it becomes to see peoples motives and u can avoid the people just in it for the money, and find those that actually care about their fellow brothers and sisters. Cause at the end of the day, that is what we all are.

 

[Former Guest]

There's one in every crowd...

"Yeah man, money is bullshit, money doesn't exist man, hey, pass me another one of your beers man"

Wrap this up by borrowing/paraphrasing a few of Kendo's words

Money, ego, confidence, success, all alike in that those who do not possess them will find them unattractive.

I think the hand out depends on the individual needs. I will help someone who is grateful, deserving but I don't give hand outs to people unwilling to help themselves. Giving a hand up it different than a hand out. I would crack a beer right in front of them. Willing to work for food? Oh but not today, I see.

I would agree but egotism and confidence are different. Confident people find people with egos unattractive. Confident people tend to bring up others along the way networking together constructively while ego bring people down to get to the top. Would you say the majority of folks are confident, egotistical, or jealous?

 

[Former Guest]

I hope to someday work on one of these overpriced consultants vehicle...cause my new improved master mechanic rate per hour just went to 300$$$$ lol....and you just blew a head gasket .....yeehawww biotches..making the $$$ is fine with me..just don't say your compassionate if your overcharging sick peeps...I don't care what you charge reg smokers...meds should be reasonable..

This made my day, especially after pushing a friends broke down car. The neighbor came out to help. Wish more people could be like that.

 

[resinryder]

When giving advice to "newbs" sometimes it's difficult. When told and giving examples of why NOT to do something some of them go off about, "Well so and so is doing it and getting great results."
Well yeah, so and so may be getting great results but they ALREADY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING and those great results are a continuation of their knowledge base.
Or- "I can see you saying not to do it but I'm gonna do it anyway" when they were clearly told by several more experienced growers why NOT to do what they were talking about.
Hard to tell a newb anything when they come back with condescending statements that give extreme insight as to why they keep failing. So yeah, I'll go back to uploading pics of my colas while the newb continues to fail. Simple really.

I don't mind if they're making some money too as long as they're giving back..

I was giving back at no charge to several patients. 3 of them. 1 with MS, 2 with cancer. Their usage went up and they needed meds more frequently. Come to find out they were selling what I was giving them for 400.00 an oz and using me to supplement their income. 1 was even letting his kid sale joints are his middle school making more than the 400.00/oz
I'll make my money, fuck giving back and getting all kumbaya, warm and fuzzy about it . There are more selfish, greedy, pos end users that will take advantage of a supplier if/when given the chance. They'll take it tho, every damn thing you'll give em. So don't think that just the growers are the parasites.

 

[KONY]

The oil craze seems to have really brought out the greed. I remember 5-10 years ago everyone was interesting in spreading information and there was enough pie for everyone. Nowadays it seems like it has changed. Maybe it's the legal states and not just the oil. Or more states going medical.

 

[Former Guest]

So you don't like it when people don't take your advice? Could it be that it creeps them out more to see you rubbing your glands together? This is mostly a male dominated site. All kidding aside, most people don't like it when their advice isn't taken. That is how you find compatible people
Why would you give someone free pot every single time? A whole oz too? People who are good folks have a hard time asking for your help. If asking seems easy for them, obviously they've had practice. Sucks ya got taken but that's a fuckload of free pot to hand out to one house. The amount alone should've clued you in.

 

[Former Guest]

The oil craze seems to have really brought out the greed. I remember 5-10 years ago everyone was interesting in spreading information and their was enough pie for everyone. Nowadays it seems like it has changed. Maybe it's the legal states and not just the oil. Or more states going medical.

I would definitely agree with this. Have you heard of caviar? Larfy gross buds rolled in bho and then keif. $15 gram and up. Edibles and all of it has barely any pot and they want a ton for a small cookie.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

So you don't like it when people don't take your advice? Could it be that it creeps them out more to see you rubbing your glands together? This is mostly a male dominated site. All kidding aside, most people don't like it when their advice isn't taken. That is how you find compatible people
Why would you give someone free pot every single time? A whole oz too? People who are good folks have a hard time asking for your help. If asking seems easy for them, obviously they've had practice. Sucks ya got taken but that's a fuckload of free pot to hand out to one house. The amount alone should've clued you in.

Maybe have a little more understanding for a person that is so giving. We live and learn. I have given away plenty for free. Some that were deserving and some that I found out weren't. When u find out they are taking advantage of it u stop. The amounts are just relative to the individual. An oz might seem like a lot to u but might be a half week supply for some people.

I think its good there are people like rr, that are willing to be so giving. Its not his fault there are scum that take advantage.

 

[Former Guest]

RR gave me a bunch of advice and sometimes I didn't always agree, then one day there was a big dispute over watering techniques and he left the thread which is fine by me. Now once every few weeks he has some comment. This ones not as bad as the last one where he told me to fuck my man with a strap on. He's such a sweetie it's not hard to see why hes taken advantage of.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Did he at least advise lubricant? Don't use bho, its too sticky.

Well I offered u advice on temps and such and u didn't respond. No big deal. U take it or u don't, just trying to help. But I didn't tell u how to do ur man. lol