YukonKronic
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Come to think of it I do recall that when I added LED spectrum to my HID lights it caused stronger thicker stems.. also hugely improved frost and aroma.
Golden Tiger
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Hi dubi,
Nothing worth while is ever as easy as we think when we start. My RO system makes about 50g a day. I did flush a full res of RO through the PurpleHaze X KaliChina. I wanted to flush at least 3 times the pot volume which for my garden would take a while and Im gone allot for my job. So, I decided after flushing 45 gal of RO I would just put the hose from the well on it and let it run for a couple hours, probably at least 150 gallons, which I did and immediately switched to another 45gal of RO and that should do it. That way all those solubles can be flushed out. After all I never saw much run off all season drenching with 5-6 gallons a shot. So I take it that all the nasty solubles were still in the pot. Im not sure how to get runoff from the smartpot it seeps onto the ground. Any advise there? I could simply do a soil pH test easily enough, that I know how to do. I could cut a small hole in the cloth...actually tried a bamboo skewer in the pot and let the skewer drip into a collection vessel. That did not work but I think it could. Next comes the GT. Ill post up the pH results in a couple days.
Thank You for your help. I appreciate it.
brickweeder
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Vapor, you can take a heaping tablespoon of soil >2" deep from your pot, add it to a 2 tablespoons of distilled water in a shot glass, let it sit for 1/2 to 1 hour, stir it then take your pH and EC readings. This is more accurate then measuring runoff.
Thank You for the advice! I will do this. I'll be using the RO water instead of distilled if that's still OK?
brickweeder
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RO should work...you might consider taking pH and EC readings of your RO water before you add the soil, so that you have a baseline. Example: if your RO water has a pH of 7.1 and EC equivalent of 40 ppm, and your "with soil in RO water" readings show pH 8.1 and EC equivalent 240 ppms, then your soil added 1.0 to the pH, and 200 ppm to the EC.
Since distilled water is assumed to have a pH of 7.0 and EC=0, then using distilled water presumably would have given you a pH of 8.0 and EC equivalent of 200 ppm. On the other hand, RO water should be very close to distilled water, and you can probably assume RO=distilled and not be troubled with the minor differences.
Since distilled water is assumed to have a pH of 7.0 and EC=0, then using distilled water presumably would have given you a pH of 8.0 and EC equivalent of 200 ppm. On the other hand, RO water should be very close to distilled water, and you can probably assume RO=distilled and not be troubled with the minor differences.
Excellent, Thank You.
My thinking on the RO vs distilled is in line with yours. Good idea to take the reading of the RO before.
My meter says:
RO= pH 6.47 ppm 17 ec 34
Well= pH 6.94 ppm 567 ec 1093
I just put the "well" hose to the Golden Tiger for a good 40 minutes, once I have a full res of RO this evening, I will flush again with well water for a few minutes and then finish with 45 gallons of RO.
Tomorrow after work I will take soil readings.
Thank you brickweeder.
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GatorGumbo
Backbuilding is where you make the plant think it has reached a barrier or hazard in the path of its upward growth. The plant consequently doesn't try growing the colas upward and instead increases them in girth and overall density. You do this by essentially topping the colas, you cut the tips off with scissors. Just take off the smallest bit of the tip of the actual stem and you will see a huge difference in girth and density. Do it when they are about 75% ripe. It won't increase yield necessarily but can really help with strains that don't normally grow as compact sets of buds.
But don't take my word for it, research the technique yourself to see if it's right for you.
brickweeder
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goodluck, those beauties look like they'll yield very nicely. Gotta love outdoor grows.
YukonKronic
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Hey cool thanks man. I did accidentally do this with a Purps plant that grew too close to my LEDs when I was gone a few days. I thought it was cool how the cola turned in to monster buds popping off it instead of one big long one.
I do think I'm a bit late to try that considering stretch is pretty much over I might as well just try not to do anything else that might slow them down as they stack. I'm actually getting kinda stoked on this run.. don't know if it's just been too long since I grew her or what but it feels like this stacking phase is the most explosive I've seen from her yet.
Every day there is noticeable thickening.
I think I might try back building on some of the Apical meristems in my upcoming scrog. Those are usually the ones that out compete the other shoots during stretch and eventually cause shading if they get really out of hand... thanks for elaborating on that
Thank you dubi,
I have flushed both plants. The after flush results are:
Golden Tiger soil pH 6.40 ppm 159
Haze X KaliChina soil pH 6.47 ppm 176
I used 2Tbs RO water to soak 1 Tbs soil from 2-3 inches deep for 30 minutes.
The RO water is pH 6.3 ppm 17
The well water is pH 7.0 ppm 567
These plants obviously need food so once they dry out a bit I'm planning to use Earthjuice Bloom for starters. Something with a little N as well. I'll be using RO water from here on out. I'm sure Cal Mag would help. What do you suggest?
Thanks again for all you do, dubi. Much respect.
HI YukonKronic
Looking yummy!! .... The mandarin wispy pheno, the chunkier more New Killer Malawi style and the upcoming colas!!
YukonKronic
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Here's the box a few days before screen. I thought it was kind of anemic looking as far as nice full canopies go.
Here's right after screening.
A day later.... might get there sooner than I thought!
More in a few days or a week...
Here's right after screening.
A day later.... might get there sooner than I thought!
More in a few days or a week...
SolarLogos
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Hello everyone. Since I am posting today, these are my 3 golden tigers. The first one (1st 2 pics) is more of a paler green, almost a lime green at times. She has the thinnest branches, long and thinnest leaves of the 3. She is also the last one to go into flower. The second GT (nest 2 pics) is taller, little darker color, narrow but wider leaves than the first one. The last one is the beast. She has thicker branches, wider and longer leaves and much darker green. She was the 1st to go into flower. She is an inch from the very top of my greenhouse. All 3 of them do have fairly tight branching and inter-node spacing compared to a lot of sativas I've seen, so I have no doubt they can yield a lot. Amazing genetics ACE!!!!
I keep them at 1.6 EC. If I give them more, they start to claw. If I give less, they yellow up. It's hard to get them only water, as they start to yellow the bottom leaves. I feed every other day when the leaves are just starting to droop a little. I flush every 3 weeks, keeping pH at 6.5 (soil medium) and they seem to be happy, stay green without showing any problems.
I have not been keeping track of the weeks when each went into flower, I just plant to harvest by looks, so I will be posting more often as they mature and be asking for some help. I don't have a lot of experience with growing sativa so this is a learning experience for me. Thanks for stopping by. Peace and God bless
I keep them at 1.6 EC. If I give them more, they start to claw. If I give less, they yellow up. It's hard to get them only water, as they start to yellow the bottom leaves. I feed every other day when the leaves are just starting to droop a little. I flush every 3 weeks, keeping pH at 6.5 (soil medium) and they seem to be happy, stay green without showing any problems.
I have not been keeping track of the weeks when each went into flower, I just plant to harvest by looks, so I will be posting more often as they mature and be asking for some help. I don't have a lot of experience with growing sativa so this is a learning experience for me. Thanks for stopping by. Peace and God bless
Yeah my GTs, while indoor, are requiring higher concentrations of nutrient than I ever use, which is interesting to me, with all the landrace genetics in there. My EC meter broke, so I don't know exactly where I am, but I estimate right around ~1.0, and that's after already increasing the dose a little bit. The new growth is still slightly yellow on 3 out of 4 plants. So I guess I'll have to change out the res and increase the dose some more.
Golden Tiger is an exceptionally vigorous strain! I can't wait to flower.
Golden Tiger is an exceptionally vigorous strain! I can't wait to flower.
YukonKronic
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Ok. First off. AWESOME plants. Nice job.. I'm super envious of everyone's outdoor/greenhouse grows!!!! Aggghhhh it's killing meeee!!!
Now that's out the way..... I'm looking at those sweet long branches and imagining 4weekz from now they start getting fat. Then they swell as they ripen.. then..... hopefully they don't break? I've never been in your shoes but if I had those big long gangly legs (lol the plants... I don't know nothin bout YOUR legs) to myself behind closed doors I would ahem...Tie. Them. Up. Gently of course, remember... she likes you.
Lol I guess I'm just suggesting a stake or trellis plan. Even tying branches back to the main stalk can be a good solution. I would be tempted at this point to "go inside" and trim off any weak/underdeveloped shoots as well as those that will be obviously much more shaded. Be ruthless. You already have root mass so as long as you don't trim more than about10-20% off every 5 days or so it should just redirect flowering into the prime sites you leave.
I would guesstimate the TOTAL you have to remove and do the worst/least useful bud sites first then trim the rest a bit every day for next week or so depending how much you cut out. If your lucky this can also stimulate her to think she's under attack by bugs and you MAY get a marginal increase in vigour and potency out of it....throw a topdress of insect frass down two days before trim commences if your looking for this effect the frass can help.
If anyone else with more experience in the arena of El Sol wants to chime in please feel free to correct dispute or agree...
YukonKronic
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I feel like the "ball of darkness" visible at middle or sometimes bottom portion of plants where growth is thickest and air moves less is where mould will move in at onset of senescence.
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red23
Clip on fans,small ones, can improve your air circulation if mounted even on the woodbox frame, directing air flow to area most troubled.
SolarLogos
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I wasn't sure if I was in penthouse forum or Ace forum, but damn, you sure had me at legs... I was ready to go make love to those ladies in the greenhouse. At the very least, I have a joint of GT I'm lighting now. It needs more curing for sure as it's only been curing 3 weeks, but it puts a grin on my face that I can't get rid of!
Those are great ideas. This is why I am here, thank you very kindly for chiming in, your ideas about trimming out the smaller inside branches to open it up and fill in the larger buds rather than dealing with so much popcorn buds sounds pretty solid to me.
I need to get a fan out there for nights. I have grown indica in the greenhouse a lot and have never had mold issues, however, it does get up to about 90% RH at night, but it drops back to about 29 RH all during the day. I think it must only be for a short time, because the RH during the evening and into late evening is around 50-55. With the windows open in the day, it stays quite dry, but I have to put a fan in there eventually.
Right now I have weedblock on the ground inside of the greenhouse, but I am going to put a tile floor in. There is a large rubber mat that is sold on Amazon for about $50 that comes with a solar panel and is used to line a swimming pool to heat the water. I was thinking about putting a couple of inches of packed sand down on the floor, putting the heating mat down and then put clay tiles down so hopefully this winter, the solar panel will heat it during the day and the tiles can stay warm most of the night. Maybe a little heat will lower the humidity. I will have to hit up farmerlion and see what he is doing for heat, he is the one with the greenhouse-greenthumbs! I wouldn't mind if just one of my plants turned out like any one of his!
Thank you again for the kind words and your help, it is very much appreciated!
Peace, God bless
SolarLogos
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That is also a very good idea. Thank a millioin Red!
Peace, God bless
