Getting bullied= Commiting S*icide?

[Hash Zeppelin]

I really dont understand suicide

Like you guys said there is many forms of bullying, but every time the bulling stops it is due to the bully get taught a lesson, and sometimes by another adult; like when a full grown adult (ex step dad) is bullying a child, which is the worst kind of bullying there is. I speak from the view point of being that kid once.

It took physical involvement from adult every time (my real dad) to get it to stop. But because the shitty judge ordered joint custody for me to spend half the week with my dad and half the week at my moms, my father could not take me out of the situation full time, and my mom was scared too.

After going through that very dark period of age 3 to 15, I never once wanted to kill myself. maybe its because over all my two birth parents are very good parents. I tell you one thing though, they did not once force me to bottle up my emotions on the subject, but I was not pampered or rewarded for lashing out.

 

[Japanfreakier]

^Most healthy kids fully develop there base personality by age 6. at one point in their early child hood before they were 6 years old, they decided to be submissive to someone that they didnt have to be submissive too. usually another kid.

After that you have to make a conscious to change on a daily bases.

You have to take other cultures into account as well though. Here in Japan bosses are allowed to bully the shit out of their employees and even though once in a while they are held accountable (usually after the employee kills themselves) for the most part it goes unchecked.

I was shocked the first time I saw the dynamics of a Japanese office, in America people wouldn't put up with it, the boss would be going down for the 10 count.

 

[southflorida]

I really dont understand suicide

Like you guys said there is many forms of bullying, but every time the bulling stops it is due to the bully get taught a lesson, and sometimes by another adult; like when a full grown adult (ex step dad) is bullying a child, which is the worst kind of bullying there is. I speak from the view point of being that kid once.

It took physical involvement from adult every time (my real dad) to get it to stop. But because the shitty judge ordered joint custody for me to spend half the week with my dad and half the week at my moms, my father could not take me out of the situation full time, and my mom was scared too.

After going through that very dark period of age 3 to 15, I never once wanted to kill myself. maybe its because over all my two birth parents are very good parents. I tell you one thing though, they did not once force me to bottle up my emotions on the subject, but I was not pampered or rewarded for lashing out.

...are you saying that you never thought about it in anyway
during your entire life? Or you are saying you don't understand
actually going all the way, and killing yourself?

...I got bullied once when I was 10 in elementary school, so I went
to some karate classes for six months, and then kicked the guys
ass on the street, right across from his house.

...And once I got taken by my step-dad to the Bay in Miami, and
he threatened to drown me if I didn't tell him where I stole some
roller skates...lol...obviously i told him as soon as he said he
is going to drown me in there, after tying my hands behind my back.

...this last situation really effected me really bad, and obviously
I thought a few times for revenging that shit, but eventually I let it go.

...I'm not going to mention the regular beating by the parents and
the hits with bottles and cans when I did stupid shit.

...but personally, I think that some people kill themselves, and some
don't...and why this is like this...we most likely never find out, but
it does make for a hell of a thread...where we can write a bunch
of BS and have a good time talking about the dark sides of life.

...this is also freedom in a way isn't it? We probably can get much
further than any psychiatrists, especially if everyone smoked
some really strong psychadelic strain and we all put all our
brains together...and created a Master-Mind-Group...

...just joking folks, this probably ain't going to happen, but you
never know...you just never know...

 

[Hydrosun]

...this is also freedom in a way isn't it? We probably can get much
further than any psychiatrists, especially if everyone smoked
some really strong psychadelic strain and we all put all our
brains together...and created a Master-Mind-Group...

...just joking folks, this probably ain't going to happen, but you
never know...you just never know...

Uh I thought part of the TOU was you had to be high as shit before you logged in. If not it should be.

 

[hunt4genetics]

Hey Japanfreakier,
Did you go to school in Japan also? The bullying over there is on another level. Suicide, dare I say is ....common.

I'm surprized the "hikikomori" Culture hasn't made it to America yet.

My guess is the kids that would have become a hikikomori person, goes on a shooting spree instead in the states.

P.S

Hikikomori are people (Usually young) who drop out of society, stay at home and are supported by parents.

Bullying is usually the cause of the initial isolation.

 

[Japanfreakier]

I went to private school in America but yeah, bullying and suicide is a huge problem here.

One of the things about American culture that the Japanese should try to mimic is standing up for the little guy. Sadly here when a child is bullied nobody comes to their aid and teachers have even been caught giving kids stupid ass advice like "toughen up" or "maybe it's your fault."

I'm not sure how much it's done but some of the things I've read that they are trying here is to penalize teachers who's students do the bullying, hold the children and their families who bully accountable for their actions.

 

[southflorida]

I went to private school in America but yeah, bullying and suicide is a huge problem here.

One of the things about American culture that the Japanese should try to mimic is standing up for the little guy. Sadly here when a child is bullied nobody comes to their aid and teachers have even been caught giving kids stupid ass advice like "toughen up" or "maybe it's your fault."

I'm not sure how much it's done but some of the things I've read that they are trying here is to penalize teachers who's students do the bullying, hold the children and their families who bully accountable for their actions.

...oops JF, you are Japanese for real, and I thought your just
named yourself like that, like I named myself SouthFlorida, and
I don't live there or wasn't born there.

...so, now I can understand why your comments seemed strange
to me, while the whole time you were just being curteous.

...sorry, for that, my bad!

 

[Calimed]

Culture and honor plays a huge part in suicidal ideation.

In light of the recent gay youth suicides, this is nothing new. Society has changed....for adults yes(families not so much), but the school system is still the same.

 

[!!!]

Suicide isn't healthy and depression is not something you can snap out of with will power. Depression still has a negative stigma in 2010 and this leads many people to never get a diagnosis and treatment.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

You have to take other cultures into account as well though. Here in Japan bosses are allowed to bully the shit out of their employees and even though once in a while they are held accountable (usually after the employee kills themselves) for the most part it goes unchecked.

I was shocked the first time I saw the dynamics of a Japanese office, in America people wouldn't put up with it, the boss would be going down for the 10 count.

japan has had other kinds of suicide in it's culture through out history that me and many other westerners find crazy. Like Sipaku, or Kamakazi. Also Japanese and Chinese people seem kinda easy to push around for any alpha male type. Have you seen how people get shoved into the subway on a busy work morning in Tokyo? Have you seen how sheepish the Chinese are as a whole because of Communism. In china, it impairs their creativity too. The Japanese though is still one of the most creative cultures on the planet.

Your right Americans would never go for it.... oh wait i forgot about the IRS, The FBI the DEA, The CIA the ATF, the NSA.

...are you saying that you never thought about it in anyway
during your entire life? Or you are saying you don't understand
actually going all the way, and killing yourself?

I never thought of it as an option is what I mean. I have thought about the subject and why some people do it, but I cant come to an understanding of why 99.9 percent of people pull the trigger so to speak.

Suicide isn't healthy and depression is not something you can snap out of with will power. Depression still has a negative stigma in 2010 and this leads many people to never get a diagnosis and treatment.

Most of the time I agree with this but,sometimes a person has a real chemical imbalance due to genetics or a mother drinking a ton while pregnant or something. this has been blown way out of proportion though, and most of those folks just need to take a natural herb called st. john's wort

 

[Japanfreakier]

japan has had other kinds of suicide in it's culture thought out history that me and many other westerners find crazy. Like Sipaku, or Kamakazi.

Here's the lowdown on seppuku, for the most part it was capital punishement..by your own hand. Not any more crazy than strapping people down and shooting poison into their bodies or hanging a man.

There was voluntary seppuku but you got to think of the people who did that as soldiers. How many times do we see western movies where soldiers shoot themselves in the head rather than be captured or killed by the enemies? Actually usually glorified in western movies.

Anybody in Japan who's done it in the last few hundred years is just a complete fucking nut-job and thats how they are percieved here as well.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^That Tom Cruise movie "The Last Samurai" is the only reason I knew about it in the first place. lol

you make good points too amigo.

 

[Hydrosun]

Here's the lowdown on seppuku, for the most part it was capital punishement..by your own hand. Not any more crazy than strapping people down and shooting poison into their bodies or hanging a man.

There was voluntary seppuku but you got to think of the people who did that as soldiers. How many times do we see western movies where soldiers shoot themselves in the head rather than be captured or killed by the enemies? Actually usually glorified in western movies.

Anybody in Japan who's done it in the last few hundred years is just a complete fucking nut-job and thats how they are percieved here as well.

But there is also the noble idea that executives should kill themselves if their companies fail or causes great public shame. I will not attempt to spell this form of noble death (hk). I would also hope that solders or shamed business men who kill themselves rather than face humiliation from the enemy or public are NOT perceived as "fucking nut-job" in Japan or world society. On the contrary I thought Japan and western movies glorified this final solution.

 

[JJScorpio]

I was reading a story a few weeks back where a junior high school soccer coach was calling kids, scared, making fun of their names, belittling them, calling them ugly and other things. Some kids told their parents and not a one said anything about it.

I wonder where kids learn it from....

 

[sunnydog]

wonder what jobs bullies go for when they've grown up?

Cops.

 

[Japanfreakier]

But there is also the noble idea that executives should kill themselves if their companies fail or causes great public shame. I will not attempt to spell this form of noble death (hk).

It's not considered nobel. There is no idea that they should, but some do it to take responsibility but the general population doesn't feel that is nobel. They want to prosecute these fuckers.

I would also hope that solders or shamed business men who kill themselves rather than face humiliation from the enemy or public are NOT perceived as "fucking nut-job" in Japan or world society. On the contrary I thought Japan and western movies glorified this final solution.

No, I'm saying the right wing freaks who cut their stomachs open are considered fucking nut jobs. There has been a few dozen since the 1800s but they aren't not the norm. Like people pouring gas on themselves, it's used as a political statement of sorts.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

something I would say to suicidal people is, that everything in the universe operates on wavelengths. there are crest and troughs, ups and downs, calm seas and turbulent, but no matter what this to shall pass.

Also I would say to them, enjoy the chaos and uncertain during life. Enjoy the good days and the bad because the only real certainty in life is that death is on its way,

 

[sackoweed]

3M in HS in HS i was playing hacky sack it got kicked away and when i went to grab it up this kid kicked it away from my hand at the same time kicked my hand. Needless to say he took a nice lil pounding then yrs later i run into him and he tells me he is a PIG!!! LOL.. So imho most cops were bullied or nerds now their getting back at all the bad guys.. Also the kids these days are so stuck to their chairs playing video games, instead of outside with other kids playing football in the streets scraping their knees etc. Just learning how to be tough. When i was a kid my mom had to make me come inside the house. Now you cant make a kid go outside the house cos he might get dirty or fall down and get hurt.. IMHO this new type of kid is an emotional wreck and frankly is an easy target to bully, those are the suicidal kids right there, now that gives noone the right to bully anybody. I know if a kid bullies mine i will be going to school for a meeting telling me my kid is to violent. cos my son knows when a bully starts his shit take him down and proceed to beat his ass by any means. We have had the bully talk he knows what he needs to do to shut that bully kid right the f up... were a society of weak minded people imho these days. Something goes wrong were in the doctors office asking for zanax, or any other kid of masking agent. Personally im fed up with weak minded people. Im not even sure if my comment pertains to this it just struck a nerve cos kids are just to f'ing wimpy these days as well as their parents. sorry i went a rambling there.. lol.. peace n pufs..

sackO

 

[Prof Sublime]

I think some of the mods were bullied a little in school.

 

[LonelyNerd]

I think some of the mods were bullied a little in school.

I think you were bullied alot professor. Its why you wont be a mod.