Getting bullied= Commiting S*icide?

[HempKat]

The issue is this, the reason why bullying is leading to more suicides is because the world is changing. In the old days bullying was the stereotypical insecure jerk that tried to act tough by picking on people he/she knew they could beat. So back then the bully was limited and you could more easily just walk away. Now a days it goes much further, with the way the internet has changed all our lives we live in a much smaller world in many ways, including not being able to so easily get away from a bully and have the bullying stop. It allows the bully to be much more persistent and to have a much more far reaching effect. Like in the case referenced. In the past a bully pushed you around, maybe beat you up but you could leave school or not come to school or go home if after school. Now with the internet those places no longer assure relief from the bully. They can still bully you via the internet and thru that humiliate you in front of more people and probably people that might not ever have witnessed the older schoolyard type bullying.

This shrinking of the world creates a sense within the victim of never being able to get away. That the only possible way to end it would be suicide or murder. Of course if the person were inclined to murder then they probably wouldn't be the victim of a bully. This leaves the victim with just suicide as the only option that would seem to guarentee relief. Another aspect of this that complicates the matter is the annonymity of the internet. This allows a would be bully to really push the envelope because the people not knowing for sure who he/she is makes it more difficult to pass judgement. People seeing cyber bullying might object but since they don't know who the person is for sure, they won't be able to react in a way that would concern the bully. Also the annonymity allows the bully to have a greater impact by pretending to be more then one person. A victim might brush off one or two negative reactions but if it seemed like there were a whole bunch of people reacting negatively towards him/her they might start to take it more to heart. Also and using the case mentioned, these things can have a reach even further then the bully or anyone might imagine. What if this kid who got filmed having a homosexual encounter was planning a career in something like politics or some profession where a video like that popping up could destroy the victims chance of achieving their life's ambition?

Then of course there is also the whole matter of how we've come to feel in society about physical violence. If it's not part of a sporting event we as a people aren't too accepting of it. Unfortunately, there are people that deserve a good ass kicking now and then. In the old days a bully pushes you around and then eventually you fight back. More often then not the bully is really a coward and depends heavily on intimidation to keep people from fighting back. Once someone fights back they usually give up, even if they still win the fight when someone fights back, because it's much harder for the bully when a person fights back. Maybe if they try you again they won't win? So since they're really cowards they just don't take the chance once they know you got that fight in you.

 

[bentom187]

well ,its fucked up i would never tell a child of mine its ok to take whats not given and pick on the weak.

if it happens i would fuck his week up with chores.
im thinking if more kids worked we'ed be better off.

 

[bentom187]

the only reason i ever beat on somone is because i was provoked and im talking in school here,my dad was a HARDCORE MARINE and said he didnt care if i got in trouble as long as its in self defence or in defence of my little brother,if i didnt fight back or i let my little brother get beat on then i had to fight HIM,so reguardless i got into fights over anything.i feel so bad that i did though,and ive gotten my share of karma back.
as far as bashido code,theres nothing wrong with it if you felt it was right.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Also the kids these days are so stuck to their chairs playing video games, instead of outside with other kids playing football in the streets scraping their knees etc. Just learning how to be tough. When i was a kid my mom had to make me come inside the house. Now you cant make a kid go outside the house cos he might get dirty or fall down and get hurt.. IMHO this new type of kid is an emotional wreck and frankly is an easy target to bully.

sackO

Tell me about it. my mom had to take away my skateboard at one point because I broke my wrist and would stop skating, and kept hurting them worse. shit man me and my cousins used to shoot ourselves with metal bb guns when we would play war, not those plastic bb's


My youngest bro is the exact opposite. I cant even get him to toss a football because it stings his hand sometimes. As an oldest child it is hard for me not to start bullying him my self. I have to eat my words and not call him a sandy little vagina. Then I have to hold back the urge to do the indian sun burn and "stop hitting yourself" routine where you hit them with their own hand. LOL, I am 13 years older than him, so there is no way I would actually pick on my little buddy, he is a good kid.

so I just sigh and let him go back to his video game where he thinks he is super bad ass. I dont blame him though. video games these days are really really good.

 

[resinryder]

I got e-bullied think I'll kill myself. Boo fuckin hoo. I got bullied at school. Think I'll kill myself. I got embarrassed think I'll kill myself. They made fun of my hair on face book, think I'll kill myself. Grow the fuck up.
Do I agree with someone posting live video of someone having sex, gay or straight, over the internet? Of course not. The people that did it should be punished to the fullest extend. But killing ones self over it is as weak minded as one can get.
Used to be a time, oh I don't know, 10 years or so ago, that people would stand up for themselves. All this tolerance bullshit being shoved down everyone's throat has created an entire generation of mentally prolapsed pussies. Absentee parents. Parents and family that don't give a shit. Youth of today are more screwed up and are going to pass this screwed up gene on to their offspring.
Maybe, just maybe someone will come along and tell em to bend over, reach up in that pussy of theirs, pull their balls out and get the hell on with it.
Killing yourself because someone hurt your precious little feelings is about as stupid as you can get. Do something bold, like I don't know, stand up for yourself. You may get your ass kicked, but you can walk, crawl, be carried away knowing you didn't cower down to some socially inept asshole bully. But I guess that wouldn't be as touchy, feely as some would want you to be.
Criticize me all you want, I'll just sit here with my balls hanging down and damn proud of it.

 

[!!!]

Most of the time I agree with this but,sometimes a person has a real chemical imbalance due to genetics or a mother drinking a ton while pregnant or something. this has been blown way out of proportion though, and most of those folks just need to take a natural herb called st. john's wort

If suicidal ideation with plans are on a person's mind, they're far beyond just needing St John's Wort. I've been in situations where friends became very suicidal, needing to be forcefully driven to the ER. They're in a sort of trance, a haze, and almost nothing you can say or do will change their mind when they get to a certain point. I don't think suicide should ever be taken for granted, even if it's only a cry for attention most of the time.

 

[cashmunny]

Some people are more sensitive than others, the bullying gets into their soul and destroys them from the inside out.

In this particular case it's sad but understandable. Society shames gay people so hard, children are even rejected by their families, their parents for being gay. The drive to fit in and be a part of is strong in the human race. We are basically chimps after all. And chimps are highly social animals. So being an outcast is deadly to our psyches.

 

[arcticsun]

...I appreciate your opinion, but please be aware that you can only
truly know if you "yourself" feel massive empathy for other people.
As far as I know, humans can only feel what they feel themselves
and are not able to feel what others feel.

Not true, we have an elaborate system of body communication, we are very aware of the "states of mind" of other people in our imminent radius. We pick up on very small changes in body language, tone of voice etcetera...

...A part of me, that used to look at the world through the lens of
delusion might have felt something, but that part is fading away
on a moment to moment basis.

...I can see the truth now, and I see that everything happens by
itself in the universe, and that is why there is a famous saying...

The Universe is Perfect, intervine at your own peril.

I don't look at things that are "happening" through the filter of my
thoughts, ego, internal dialogue, opinions, beliefs, convictions, or
anything else, I simply observe without "attachments and
identification" to the words that are still a part of my ego that is
slowly falling apart and becoming like the dust in the wind.


I don't observe the words, I observe where the words are pointing,
and if the words are pointing toward something that is false,
something that is not there, then I point it out, but this is only
once in a while, and only in this forum. I wouldn't say these things
in the real world, because people would think I'm crazy

...and there is no "reason" why something happens...it just happens.

This action-->> reaction theory is something that only works in the
dream world, where the blind are leading the blind, and where the
one-eye fool is king...lol

You misunderstand if you think destiny relieves from your personal responsibility. There are patterns to our behavior, but that doesnt mean that you are without options. If we didnt have any, we may aswell all kill ourselves.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

If suicidal ideation with plans are on a person's mind, they're far beyond just needing St John's Wort. I've been in situations where friends became very suicidal, needing to be forcefully driven to the ER. They're in a sort of trance, a haze, and almost nothing you can say or do will change their mind when they get to a certain point. I don't think suicide should ever be taken for granted, even if it's only a cry for attention most of the time.

That is true in those cases. It took several years in a state hospital for one of my ex-step sisters to get better from the way she was treated. I have even had to wrap up her cut wrists before, so believe me I know there is exceptions to what I say. I still never understood her decision though. Her explanation was she just couldn't stop thinking about what happened to her, and when she slept she had nightmares about it. She had it 10 million times worse than me though.

I use her as a comparison, and other people that actually do kill them selves didnt really have it bad at all. When I hear complaining about Bullying of a kid to another kid causing suicide I just think, "what the fuck is wrong with that kids parents to let their child be so weak and cowardice?"

 

[Frogger]

I say bully the bullies .
Bullies are but very weak minded and
they don’t last long in the game when you start playing mined games with them.
I had to deal with 4 of them in school.
Don’t get mad get even !

seeing your bully have a mental melt -down priceless !

 

[southflorida]

...check out this post, this guy is getting bullied by his own thinking
and it is quite obvious when you read what he writes, unless it's
bulls*it of course...lol

http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/intention-manifestation/53096-wrong-things-should-easy.html

 

[southflorida]

Not true, we have an elaborate system of body communication, we are very aware of the "states of mind" of other people in our imminent radius. We pick up on very small changes in body language, tone of voice etcetera...

okay, if this is your perception of it...then that is how it is for you,
remember that perception = reality, whatever perspective we have
it creates the perception that we perceive!

You misunderstand if you think destiny relieves from your personal responsibility. There are patterns to our behavior, but that doesnt mean that you are without options. If we didnt have any, we may as
well all kill ourselves.

my perspective on what is happening in the Universe is simple, there
is one large, infinite ocean (the universe itself), and we are this
"experience." What makes us think we are separate is the work
of Maya -- that makes a human being think that he is separated
from this ocean, as if he is a bottle with some of the ocean in it
and a bottle cap screwed on. In reality, there is no bottle, there
is only delusion, and everything is simply "one experience" -- in other
words, except for this ocean (universe) there is nothing else.

...so there is no destiny, no personal responsibility, no options, just
one present moment manifestation, which is easily understood if
you simply visualize the Infinite Universe (everything that is) as the
one ocean that is made up of one thinking/intelligent substance
that manifests the physical/non-physical forms that we think of as
ourselves, other humans, planets, stars, galaxies, thoughts, feelings,
etc...etc...etc...while in reality...it is all one "experience" that has
no experiencer, no observer, no doer, it all just happens.

If you put your thinking aside for a few moments, and feel the current
experience you "one with" you will become aware of it, if you try to
filter this through your thinking -- you will say it's complete BS.

 

[headband 707]

here's why todays kids (imo) are going to hell in a handbasket


I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.

-Tyler Durden (Fight Club)

Oh Tyler Tyler Tyler LOL LOL
I really do see you LOL
oh yes I do.. your that kid sitting infront of the TV playing video games everyday fucking day LOL .. OH TYLER I really do see you ... lol .. what is that game called? "Halo" lol.. oh Tyler don't feed me too much bullshit you might believe it .. Headband707 fightclub LOL....

 

[KharmaGirl]

Huh????

 

[headband 707]

Yeah that was a metaphor I saw the show good show BTW LOL.. Headband707

Just like that song from Macy Grey "You got to "Get up get out and do somthin" don't let the dayz of your life pass you by" How will you make it if you never even try? ...........................................?

 

[InvisibleEmpire]

another one..

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/10/07/hope.witsells.story/index.html

i blame the parents and the mainstream media. why?

1.) parents don't teach their kids the morals and values they used to back in the day. not that ALL parents are like this, but most only teach them what they want to teach them, not the values most of the older generations grew up with...this "net generation" is so hopelessly dependent on the world, the media, the internet...and that leads me to #2..

2.) the mainstream media (tv, advertisements, music, movies) indoctrinate these kids on what is 'right', what they need to like, what they need to dislike, what they need to buy, what's cool and what isn't....30, 40 years ago you would have never ever EVER expected an 11 or 12 year old girl to be taking naked pictures of herself writing notes to her crushes that say "god, i'll suck your dick until you cum all over my face"....and that's what these girls do at such young ages...why? the media. it's what they've been indoctrinated with, so when something bad comes about, they have no way to handle the flood of emotions that comes with being bullied, being teased, etc. so they resort to suicide because they can't handle the truth of their actions...

dude had gay sex, and couldn't handle the repercussions (someone filmed it) - he kills himself

girl was bullied online for 'sexting', couldn't handle it, kills herself.

it's the same shit...they get bullied, can't handle it, commit suicide.

i tell this to anyone who has ever seriously considered it...

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Deal with your issues. I'm going through some shit myself, and like many people its in our nature to 'think' about suicide or leaving this earth, but we come to our senses and know we need to deal with our issues, not commit suicide.

 

[hunt4genetics]

Belief.

2 Years ago when the economic meltdown intensified in the US, every other day in the news I heard tales, of a dad getting laid off and kills himself and family.

The belief that things will never change is so powerfull.

Mike Tyson spent about 3/4 Billion Dollars, because he believed that he would be 23, knocking chumps out forever getting a sweet cut of the pay per view money.

Contrast that with a teen who is being bullied at school, by text , and online. That is the world that they were born into.

If we were born in the era where people dueled if disrespected, that would be our reality.

IN the teen's world that's all they know.

Some getting bullied, do see the light at the end of the tunnel. Other's don't.

Then there are the adults that are constantly reminding kids to " Enjoy highschool, this is the greatest time in your life!"

"If this is supposed to be the best time of my life, and I'm bullied, and my days are filled with so much pain"...

 

[mrwags]

I feel this type of thing has gone on forever and the internet has made it more available to be seen and heard just like our political fiascoes that are now more prevalent.

It's sad to say if the guy was with a girl nothing probably would have ever happened.?

But it's just like the idea that a man can have many sexual encounters and he's a stud and a women to do the same exact thing is a whore. But then again if you have a key that opens many locks that's a bad ass key and if you have a lock that can be opened by any key well that locks not any good so go figure.

Many moons ago I had a beautiful girlfriend that wanted me to take her to her prom but having a job like I did (Professional Racer)I on her special day had to be somewhere else. A long story short she goes anyway and half way through decides she doesn't want to be there and walk's home even tho I had a limo for her and her friends.

She subsequently gets abducted raped and dumped in her yard and she told no one. When I did return I did in fact notice a change in her but felt she was just pissed that I missed her prom.

A few days later I get an hysterical call out of the blue and she's balling and screaming and I'm doing my best to get her to slow down so I can talk to her and then I hear the click of the shotgun and then the shot and then the thud.

To sit her and say I can describe in words what I saw when I rushed to her house would be impossible. The smell will always stay with me and the thought of seeing a beautiful women I loved plastered all over the wall.

SUICIDE IS SELFISH. It solves absolutely nothing unless you are sick and are suffering. No note No closure just a bunch of guilt and a shit pot full of questions.

To this day I still blame myself and that is so unfair to me but what ya gonna do right?

For those of you who are getting bullied remember one thing

"What other people think of you is none of your business"

If you in your heart know your a good person then so be it because it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to love others if you don't love yourself first.

Case In Point:

If you are ever on a plane flight and it has trouble and the oxygen mask's fall down what is the first thing they tell you to do?

PUT THE MASK ON YOU FIRST then help others. Because if you cannot breathe you cannot help.

YOU ARE NUMBER 1 because when the shit hits the fan that is really all you got YOU.

For those of you who know me you know that she is not the only suicide I've been through and we also need to include the one lost in the car crash on Christmas Eve.

I've loved 4 women with all my heart in my life and 3 are dead. The 4th has been my rock for over 25 years. As long as you wake up any day breathing it can be a good day if YOU choose it to be. It does get better but you gotta make it better because why the hell should anyone wanna help YOU if you don't wanna help YOU.

So in closing I would like to say those of you who are having issues and are thinking about ending it all,you need to stop and think about one thing.

For you it ends now,for those that care about you they hurt forever. Do they really deserve that? Because trust me and I speak from a well experienced heart,the hurt NEVER STOPS FOR US.

Are you really that selfish? I think not, now Smile and go outside and do something about it b4 that stinkin thinkin kicks in again and quit feeling sorry for yourself if your breathing it can change.


My Penny
Mr.Wags

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

This thread for some reason reminded me of Pink Floyd's "The Wall"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjoCq3uGhrg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJHvmOy8W5w&feature=related

 

[headband 707]

Okay lets break it down..

Okay lets break it down..

When a person becomes depressed for any reason loss of a loved one/lose of employment/moving whatever the case maybe prolonged feelings of melon colie for some ppl uses serotonin which is the "juice" lets say for our well being.. We only have so much of this "juice" and when we have really bad things happen to us or what we percieve as bad we use up all this serotonin supply in our system without even knowing it. So a lot of these ppl can't get out of their funk even if they wanted too which is why doctors recommend Anti depressants. But you must get the right one for the right person and so on. The trick is to use the Anti Depressants and then get off of them and not stay on like the doctors make patients do so often for cash. Exercise ,diet and time is obviouly going to help peace out Headband707