Genetic Drift?

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Phenotype means the exact same thing everywhere unless it is being misused.

Phenotype means the physical characteristics of an organism. Phenotype is the result of the genotype interacting with the environment.

I started a thread a few years back to explain the terms but it died.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

FYI, The self rooting plants I referred to do not fall down, rather it is the bottom branches laying on the ground that root.
When I grow big plants in the ground, 6 feet to 15 feet tall, they all want to root if I leave the bottom branches on, so I prune all the branches off, to 2 or 3 feet tall from the ground.
-SamS

just like a fig tree.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

if you can make a good trueF1 then your a good breeder,,,,if you can put allele in Homozygote positions then your a SUPA BREEDER,,,

^^thats the level i dream of!

0.75, 0.875, 0.9375, 0.9688, 0.9844 0.9922,,

Anyone who can access two different isolated inbred lines can make an F1.

Monsanto puts alleles in specific positions on the corn genome, but I definitely do not aspire to be monsanto.

 

[cannaboy]

However at some point the diocidious species evolved into the most self sustainable plant over 36,000,000 years without the hand of man and many different species of specimen of different cultivars wasn't wiped out like other plants.. It evolved to ,,,ADAPT AND OVERCOME.. That is my best saying from 10 years in the KITCHEN TRADE,,

Life will always find a way,,,,

Usin hermis I agree is not good unless 1 can be certain that they make a propper contribution genetically,, suppose you could lock down multigene expressions for 1 or more traits while removeing the herm tendency and Drift ability in a season???


Question for all ......
With Pollyplods have we the possabilities to breed and look into multi gene expression???

"All trained scientists admit that scientific truth is ultimately probabilistic, even when the probabilities appear to be approaching certainty." -- Stuart D. Jordan

also there are lies dam lies and then satistics...


Sam S has a quote it goes,,, I belive what I see not what I want to see, and also the one.. Winning the arguement is not as important as understanding the true facts..

I can read and belive that some plants have a genetic contribution some don't select the best and reject all others this may mean cull 1 out of 1000,000,000 you know?? some plant specialists have tested some gentypes on fasiated stem inderviduals and other mutant specimens and found (I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS 1 to 1 MATINGS WITH THE SUPERIOUR FATHER) not real genetic contribution,, Mabe not but who knows after 50 years???

See all we know is what we read till we do it ourselves and Sam has already said that some Books are a total waste of time and false information,,

#What we need is a law that permits freedom of geneticaly repoduceing all our own seed crops and some decent book writers,,,

 

[EddieShoestring]

It's difficult to get x25-40 nice cuttings,, from a nice healthy mother plant,, every 2-4 weeks indoors man... that all root.. hehe

Doc-i got a plant that gives 100s+cuts/week (the limit is the amount of 3/4" that i've got) week in week out. Excellent rooting. Outrageous vigour. It's one of your SSH freebies........

H3ad

Phenotype means the physical characteristics of an organism. Phenotype is the result of the genotype interacting with the environment.

yeah-so when we give someone a clone-we are giving them the genotype-they make the pheno.

this shit is over my head but good to try and get a handle on it
respect
eddieS

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

H3ad
yeah-so when we give someone a clone-we are giving them the genotype-they make the pheno.

They + the genotype make the phenotype.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

However at some point the diocidious species

deciduous |diˈsijoōəs|
adjective
(of a tree or shrub) shedding its leaves annually. Often contrasted with evergreen.

dioecious |dīˈē sh əs|
adjective Biology
(of a plant or invertebrate animal) having the male and female reproductive organs in separate individuals. Compare with monoecious.


which do you mean?

 

[EddieShoestring]

They + the genotype make the phenotype.

yeah that's what i meant-tx for clarifying

cheers
eddieS

 

[DocLeaf]

FYI, The self rooting plants I referred to do not fall down, rather it is the bottom branches laying on the ground that root.
When I grow big plants in the ground, 6 feet to 15 feet tall, they all want to root if I leave the bottom branches on, so I prune all the branches off, to 2 or 3 feet tall from the ground.
-SamS

Like tomatoes do on from the base of the main stems I appreciate that growing outdoors over a long season offers loads of possibilities dank u , we were just playing a devils purest advocate before,, we guess on the "natural" point .. peace out

They + the genotype make the phenotype.

great analogy,,

they + where + genotype = phenotype

Doc-i got a plant that gives 100s+cuts/week (the limit is the amount of 3/4" that i've got) week in week out. Excellent rooting. Outrageous vigour. It's one of your SSH freebies........

x100 a week? How many weeks before it gives another x100 cuts? Also what % root out?

Cool anyway ,, glad the SSH freebies are returning it for ya buddy :friends:

 

[cannaboy]

I mean boath and more in the same context Greatfullhead,,

It can BE...

deciduous |diˈsijoōəs|
adjective
(of a tree or shrub) shedding its leaves annually. Often contrasted with evergreen.

dioecious |dīˈē sh əs|
adjective Biology
(of a plant or invertebrate animal) having the male and female reproductive organs in separate individuals. Compare with monoecious.

Thai and Other Varieties can become Bi anual naturally and all clones ARE BI -ANUAL..


But generally the Taxonomy is

Division Spermatophyta (SEED PLANTS)
Class Angiospermae (FLOWERING PLANTS)
Sub-Class Dicotyledons (TWO COTLEDONS ON SEEDLINGS)
Order Urticates (ELMS, MULBERIES, NETTLES)
Family Cannabinaceae (HOPS, CANNABIS)
Genus Cannabis

Species Indica



Sativa



Ruderalis


C.Afghanica



and so on but diversity is the key to it all...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I don't think Cannabis is a tree or shrub which sheds it's leaves and re-grows them annually. Cannabis Is an annual, which lives for less than a year and perpetuates itself by seed.

Cannabis is not deciduous at all.

Good breeders select toward dioecious and away from monoecious specimens in a seed line.

The word you originally used was a bastardized splicing of the two real terms to make a non-word, diocidious.

You should learn before you try to teach.


Proper selection is the key to it all.

 

[cannaboy]

Well It has all been bastardized these days, ,I didn't know the botanist term for this as I can't find 1 but there is such a thing,,,

But I have seen bi-anual so???


Grow some more plants and post less.. Teach me more!!


Anyway head,,, what is the terminoligy called when a plant reaches to the light I need to Know that!!! It begins with H_

I saw it on murder mystryies on bbc on thurs and I want to remember it sombody was talking and I didnt catch it, It solved the crime LOL .. And I wann whip that term out as I think STREACH IS A TERM WE CAN GET A BETTER NAME FOR ON IC..

 

[humble1]

this thread has been a great read...
but what a roller-coaster ride of relevancy and semantic sidestepping.
Thanks for keeping folks on the straight and narrow, h3ad!
BTW for those of us in the states, NPR had an excellent discussion about epigenetics for the layman about a week ago..... probably their "Talk of the Nation" science friday edition or close to it.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

in nature cannabis is an annual.

Man perpetuating a cutting through the winter does not change that.


Phototropism and pre-flowering stretch are two different phenomenon.

 

[ROJO145]

If it wasnt for H3ad and Sam this thread would be a trainwreck,its a telling read into just how much mis information is out there and how lost folks are,and yet they still feel the need to argue and be rite!!Cannabis diciduous,lol even I know that one and I know nothing!!
What a Huuuuuuuuuge difference in over there and over here huh!!

 

[hoosierdaddy]

and I know nothing!!

no shit

(_8(l) ...doh!

 

[bombadil.360]

um... Cannabis can be more than an annual, there are Colombian Sativas that you can grow in a 12/12 latitude, it produces bud and re-vegs again. I grew one of these for 18 months, I started to have troubles after that because I had it in a pot. got two harvests out of it. got the seeds from real colombian pressed bud btw.

same applies for certain African Sativas, mothers kept outdoors for a few years, not by I though, but by people whom you can call 'traditional growers'.

Cannabis is a pretty interesting plant.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Without human intervention it flowers out re-veges and flowers again year after year? with only 12 hours of daylight?

 

[bombadil.360]

Without human intervention it flowers out re-veges and flowers again year after year? with only 12 hours of daylight?

In Colombia I doubt there patches of wild cannabis that we can access to see whether they do or not.

But all I did to that plant was harvest most of it the first time, and left a little bit, two tiny branches that were the lowest in the main stem, it still had so-called popcorn bud on them. I was going to pull the rest of the plant out of the soil later, but never got around to it, and a few weeks later, I noticed it started to grow again.

never used any artificial lighting or anything either, this was all outdoors.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

So... You imagine there may be somewhere where this occurs in the wild, and when it happened to you it was on a plant which was extremely stressed?


I don't doubt there are climates where an annual could occasionally survive more than a year, but that is an unusual anomaly not an indication that cannabis is a perennial. If it never turned brown and dropped it's leaves, then maybe it's an evergreen, too?