GD AngelDust & Cindy Williams Grow Log

[packn2puff]

MGJ..What's up..funny old gals..yeah we'll see..I'm gonna buy into the hype..but I don't think it's all hype..
A friend here uses AN..just sick numbers he was pulling on aero tables..so I'll give it a go..I'll try to do a side by side vs GH & Botanicare..when I get two viable clones..

longdivision..Yeah this will be a "we'll see" try out..I've never used even one of their products..what I understand about carboload..
other than providing carbs for the plant..they provide food for the beneficials..they say the benes will rapidly multiply with carbo..voodoo juice feeds colonization..
Most of what this system and components is based on is beneficial bacteria, fungus & enzymes..
in a world that makes them happy and the plant will be happy cause it has root workers chewing up the food for it..at least that's the idea..

Well it looks like I got a couple nanners on AD4..I have interupted their dark period numerous times..so if light leaks do it..my fault..
I surgically removed um..another we'll see...also talked to mrwags about C99's..he has some that look like my cross..so I may just have to go longer on flower..
Since I was disturbing them anyway..took some more pics..better color..
AD1 again..AD2 is in the back now..


AD1 Top..Beginning Day 45 Flower


AD1 Kola..Beginning Day 45 Flower

 

[packn2puff]

Well AD4 is definitely a he/she..son of a..by the way she..it..was the runt..oh well live and learn..many more nanners..and she..it gets chopped..
I'm gonna start flushing her..it..sooner than others..she..it..has been moved to the secondary lighting tier..CW1 moved into her place..
CW1, CW4 and CW5 are picking up the pace on bud production..I think they will have to go at least 70 Days..

Well heres the nanner pic..I just chopped off this whole bud..might as well grab a sampler..


AD4 Nanner..Day 45 Flower 7-3-06

 

[pontiac]

:jawdrop:

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Hiya packn!
Don't think AN's a lotta hype - otherwise they wouldn't have so many loyal users.

Man - even your hermie buds look beautiful - wow, what a frosty SheHe. You've had great growth from those AngelDust girls! That bud looks so frosty you could probably pull her now and have some nice up highs...

 

[packn2puff]

pontiac..good jaw drop for buds or bad jaw drop for hermie? works either way..

MGJ..I think it's gonna be a good thing too..it's very ecosystem..like I was saying most of that list is for make'n critters..I gave my plants cooties..hehe
They warn that their HyOx or hydrogen peroxide can and probably will wipe out the whole ecosystem..
The trichs she was makin are nice..very long trichs..look at the ones in the shadow..I'm gonna flush early..keep an eye out..but I may just chop at any moment..

I smoked that hermie bud..did a GMT quick sampler back of the TV dry..i love that method..I actually know which vents dry buds at what rates..lol..
I used the hottest spot I got..square over the tail of my PC monitor picture tube..dry in 4 hrs..I have a 12 & 24hr dry spot too
very heady quick high at this point..of course I had to get past the lawn flavor..to the bud flavor..sweet & fuely a lot like BubbleDust..
but I think AD smells better..the flavor and smell of AD & BD are unique..they have this thai like, landracey back flavor, but just a hint..that's what offsets the flavor..
when you give um a pinch..their dankish aroma brightens with sweet lemony smell..very non-skunk aroma..more of this when the time is right..

Well I found I made kinda a big boo boo..when I transplanted the AD clones..
I just realized today I used soil that was prepped previously for the other plants going into flower..
I added a weak solution for the clones to the soil on top of that..
Now they are super dark green and not growing..so I flushed um out..first runoff..5.6 pH 3300 ppm
Lets do the song MGJ..fire up the bongos...."flush flush flush" .....
stopped at 6.3pH (my target for AN in sphagnum peat moss) 650ppm run-off with the last water no nute or fast start, but the rest of the AN "rooted clones" program..
mostly the bacteria & fungus and their colonizer, voodoo juice..
The BD seedlings got some of that soil too..but mostly stuff from the bag..only one looks like it's tips are objecting..
That fluoro vegging on the seedlings left the 1st two with tall ass stems..as soon as the met the MH they stopped..I love that ol 175w MH for veg..
That uni-bulb runs dead quiet..the super MH that was in there made the ballast hum loud..
The older BD seedling is in stage 1 of veg..ready for nutes soon..and she looks awesome..I'm glad she made it..all males die on sight this time..
Might be time to start a new BubbleDust thread..

 

[GMT]

Bad luck on her...it, growing nanas. But if it's only on one plant I wouldn't have thought you can blame yourself for it. And as MGJ said, she....it, sure does look sparkly. Glad to hear you've fine tuned the old tv method, I have hot spots I can use in the same way, although 4 hours sounds really hot, my quickest spot still tends to take at least 12.

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Yes, I admit it, I'm a TV set cure head too Actually I use the top of the tv satellite receiver - takes 12-24 hours depending on how dry I want it... Works great, and a lot easier than burnin my fingers in the kitchen

Flush flush flush - flush flush flush - man, well things happen. Don't know if you remember I burned the first trainwrecks mistaking tsp doses of CalMag+ for tbs doses... A flush or a bareroot / transplant will fix 'em up good....

 

[pontiac]

That was a good jaw drop for that goddamn beautiful AD cola.

 

[TML16]

I've used the back of the monitor, pretty warm up there and I can't remember how long it took. I remember smoking the bud worked great though.

holy nute collection packman!

Nice sparkly buds..even on the hermie. I've smoked some hermed buds that were just as good as their seedless counterparts.

Can't wait till you pass a bongload of that AD1 cola around.

 

[packn2puff]

GMT..Yeah hermie by light leaks is still an up-in-the-air topic for me too..especially when the light source could hardly grow anything (60w incandesent)..
That one spot on back of the monitor is like 100F and moving air..I have a big tube CAD PC monitor..for gaming..but the bud could have gone longer..
The TV doesn't get nearly as hot..the tube is way down there..I find the hot spots with my cheek..the one on the side of my face..
MGJ..Now come in with the solo..well we'll see how the flush does..on the plus side I used excessive perlite..so hopefully rot isn't a problem..
I don't like to flush unless the roots have populated the container..but sometimes we do what we gotta do..

pontiac..Thanx man..I'm really impressed with your girls as well..I've almost built a DWC system 4 times in the last 2 weeks..
I had the net pots in my hand at one point..

TML16..You Canook mad man what's up..so far I've only found those 3 nanners..if it persists..she's yanked..
She could actually go right now..she has some ambers..very few..mostly clear..

So that's the plan for the hermie..if she keeps popping out penises from her dress..I'm kickin her to the curb..
She gets flushed tonight..and will start on Final Phase..a couple more days for the other AD's before Final Phase..still on 60Day target
The CW's I'm gonna target a 75Day flower..their trichs are way behind..and almost all clear..virtually no hairs have turned..
CW4 might be a fine plant..she's filling in now..as well as CW1..CW2 & 5 have that..I'm not gonna stop stretching syndrome..so glad it was CW1 I pollinated..
Others had the same problem when N has virtually any presence in flower on some Cindy99's..I heard some of Gypsy's 007's are doing that too..
The results are the same..tons of bud sites..but mostly popcorn..
I'll take a pic of a stretchy one and a non-stretchy one..I'll do it shortly after this post..been awhile since I showed any CW pics..

 

[packn2puff]

A Walk Down Cindy Lane

A Walk Down Cindy Lane

Okay a bunch of pics of the Cindy Williams..I'll post two pics of each plant..after these pics I tied CW2 up like a tree you would get at the nursery for transport..
That plant is horrible..at least CW5 is slowing down somewhat now on the stretching..CW2 isn't even worth running the bags..
there are barely any trichs..all I can think of is to leach her and let her eat herself..

As you can see they don't look that mature..trichs back that up..I think CW1 & 4 will be good plants given time..CW5 maybe..
now I'm worried about pot size making it that long..
Guess I'll let um go till they make it or die trying..there will be a gap from when the little ones are ready and the end of the AD's..
Laugh away at CW2's huge kola..she is a popcorn bush..count the trichs..your fingers will do..

CW1..Day 46 Flower 7-4-06


CW1 seed bud..Day 46 Flower 7-4-06


CW2 Day 46 Flower 7-4-06


CW2 bud Day 46 Flower 7-4-06


CW4 Day 46 Flower 7-4-06


CW4 kola Day 46 Flower 7-4-06


CW5 Day 46 Flower 7-4-06


CW5 bud Day 46 Flower 7-4-06

 

[Alex-F]

Hey P2P

Sorry to hear your CW aren't any good. Look very odd to me, almost haze or thai like, but without the trichs

Where did you get the seeds from? Sorry I'm too lazy to search

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Packn - sorry about the CWs - yes, this plant looks familiar - great shades of wispy... #4 looks like she could end up with a beefy tail... and #1 looks to be the multihead yielder...

I think you'll be ok with the #5 pot - you might have to hand water a skootch more is all - no?

 

[packn2puff]

Alex..These are experimental non-engineered genetics..a friend got some offspring from a brothers grimm Cindy99 x Williams Wonder..they weren't backcrossed, no selective breeding..a crap shoot..he said they would probably be vigorous..that they are..the problems I've found..they are very nute sensitive..and some begin to stretch and never stop..separating the bud sites horribly..but the single kola plant and one topped one did stop..but bud production is behind for a 60 day strain..I'm thinking about 75 days at this point..One is pregnant with AngelDust pollen..so part of the CW's will get another shot..but I'm not sowing any more of these for awhile..

MGJ..Well here I am..right back in hell with those plants..I am convinced these are the same seeds as before..oh well..but yeah CW1 & 4 look fine if it weren't for the fact they're 46 days into flower..they don't have leaf and branch mutations like CW2 & 5 ..I'll just give um more time and see what happens

The new BD babies are kicking ass..they aren't slow out of the gate by any means..need to check time-lines but they are on the move..
The tall stems I spoke of are causing problems with one standing up..the leaves are too heavy..big true leaves..
the older seedling is kicking ass too..they all are gonna smoke those AD clones in development..
at least I can flip the clones whenever and I never expected them to make it..they're getting better now I think..
just remembered one or two of the clones is from the hermie

I gave all the seedlings the AN veg formula of critters and such but no fert yet..I started the critters on last friday..
So far using these little guys is making me happy..
I started the hermie on Final Phase

 

[Alex-F]

Right I see

What do you think of the BD now you've run it a few times? I'm thinking about trying an indica some time soon and they sound quite fun :wink:

 

[TML16]

grrrr....and to think I was once going to take Cindy out.

Bum deal PN2P, It would be nice if they at least put on a frost for you, could make some nice hash or do some cooking.
Never know what could happen in the next 30 days...best of luck anyways.

My first grow, my Passion #1 never stopped strecthing either. Her bud and trich production were better but she never seemed to get tall enough fo her liking. Stretch, stretch, stretch.

Those AD's should take care of you a while though.

 

[packn2puff]

Remembering Two Pump Chump

Remembering Two Pump Chump

Alex..I knew this could happen from the beginning..so I'm not that bumbed or anything..it was just an experiment..but I need to grow some damn weed now..The new BD's are my F2's I made with the original BD run..with the infamous resurrected highly tortured BD male "Two Pump Chump" ..this was the male I left on the back of the toilet..in a bathroom with no windows..and the 60w light bulb that hardly came on and no water for 13 days..taking a piss..I looked at him and thought is it still alive..
the veg closet was not being used..so I gave him some water..and a 18w fluoro..and the damn thing responded and went back to growing and finished his flowers..
These BD's are from my female BD Alfa..she had the fattest chunky buds..I might use one as a mommy..if I get at least 3 out of 5 female..I wanna do some hydro clones..
This is my third BD run...first with the F2 seeds

TML16..yeah she isn't panning out too good..last time I didn't have time to let them continue flower...but I will have a gap till the others are ready to flower..
The AD's will come down in two weeks give or take..although they are smaller than BD..should be plenty for awhile..
Now I'm almost disappointed no new nanners today..I wanted to hack off another bud..
That bud I took the pic of got me nicely baked..it was a bright high..but pretty powerful..

The rest of the AD girls will probably begin Final Phase leaching after lights out tonight..will be on that for a week then a full flush just water the rest of the way for about another week..

You can see his bleached leaves on top from no light or water for 13 days..other than that he looked fine..
the bleached leaves left these cool strips in the leaves..your kids are looking great so far old buddy..

Two Pump Chump..The Wondermale BubbleDust

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

packn - I keep forgetting the yieldability of the bubbledust - the AD colas already are guess that makes the BD !

It sure is amazing how plants can survive on very little. Here's a *pair* of pines in a teensy pot ( note the tape measure ) and has not been transplanted or fed since 1994, inconsistent watering and no extra water each winter:


That little BD clones has a tough genetic heritage bouncing back from bathroom conditions - must be resistant to pollution too

 

[Guest]

Sorry to hear about your CW's PN2P. I had the same thing happen to me a couple of years ago. I had bought a pack of Mr. Nice SSH from world wide seeds and they were bunk!!!! After wasting 6 months on trying to get them to finish they ended up in the garbage.

Just so you know it wasn't Mr. Nice seeds that did me wrong it was world wide seeds.

On a good not your CW's are a lot fatter than my SSH's were.

Those AD's should be nice though?

GCG

 

[packn2puff]

MGJ..That's what I liked about ol Chump..he was a tough SOB..I gotta tell ya..these BD seedlings are moving..They are twice as far as the AD's were at this point..I've been reading up on these critters I've added..results are amazing..I'm getting this from university research..not any nute company..Here's one good article.. http://www.maximumyield.com/article285.htm In the actual hard copy of the mag there's an article in supplements 101 about the beneficials..
it's really cool the ecto mycorrhial fungi pierce the root tips with it's hyphen..connects directly into the branch structures of the root cell..then form a chain..and are able to transport all 15 major, minor and micro elements right to the roots..They are root extensions..says increases uptake 10 to 10,000 times..and will kick ass on any bad fungus trying to get a foothold..
org teas like PB have some of the benes too..I'm just using a higher diversity..
Some tough old pines you got there too..yeah the AD's are short little plants..the BD's are super similar..duh..but larger versions in every aspect..

btw there is a big indoor gardening expo in San Fran open to the public on Aug 6..

GCG..yeah a few have stretchitis..I did find something interesting while studying, a growth regulator called Mepiquat Chloride..used to halt plants from stretching when they go into flower..The article said your plants would be shorter but you get better flowers..

Well like I was saying the BD's are moving..it's only been like 6 days and they are starting their 3rd set of leaves..they are where the AD's were on day 13..
I'll get a pic when I can..the AD clones are doing something..but plant growth isn't one of um..they look alive..but they are not growing at all and do not respond to light angle..I don't know..we'll see..
I burned off another nanner..I use a paper clip heat the end with a lighter..touch the nanner and poof it's gone..took some smaller branches for samplers and so i don't have to search so much..
I'll get some new pics when I can..