Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???

[StudenTeacher]

I'm going to poison the roots of a small plant with bifenthrin late into flower this time and get it lab tested to see if any gets absorbed into the plant. It is non systemic so it would make since that none will make it into the plant, but I'm no botanist, just a grower, so obviously I don't have an answer. Synthetic pyrethroids are significantly less expensive than pyrethrin. I haven't had aphids for a couple years and got rid of mine using spectracide/bug bgone and orthene. After using the orthene in veg and beginning 12/12, I didn't want to continue it's use at the onset of flower so I continued using the pyrethroids every 3-4 days until day 30 into 12/12. Water heavily with the poison and let it soak for two hours then rinse it all out really good with water, then half strength food for one day, then back to normal for a few days and repeat.

Also it will help greatly to add 1/4 teaspoon of bleach to every five gallons of water/nutrient mix. This will get your plants happy muuuch faster. I got my aphids from progressive options in LA so they were already immune to imid. I used merit 75 for almost two years just to keep em at bay. I think after 2 orhene applications and roughly ten pyrethroid applications I had killed them. Whayever is applied it needs to be twice a week unless you're prayers work better than mine The following round I started using kontos on clones so I can't say 100% what got rid of them but they are gone and have been for a long time.

 

[StudenTeacher]

One thing I forgot to mention is bugbgone and spectracide, while containing different ingredients, have the same mode of action and is essentially the same product because of this. If using both, kne after the other, do not consider it rotating pesticides. Its not the pesticide but the mode of action that needs rotation. Do to not having very many safe options I didn't rotate properly but I bombarded the little fuckers by using it constantly. 95%or more will be dead after the first othene/pyreth mix so the other 10+ pesticide applications were to eradicate the remaining 5% These bitches are born pregnant so it only takes one to survive and three months later back to square one, but now they have built a slight immunity to whatever pesticide was used. Be diligent from the get go or you will lose the battle. Good luck

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Didnt we already stop the building resistance theory ? this take 100's of applications they dont build it overnight.

like you said it the making sure you hit all of them with the shit you plan to use and a lil rotation will go a long way.



AJAE

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

One thing I forgot to mention is bugbgone and spectracide, while containing different ingredients, have the same mode of action and is essentially the same product because of this. If using both, kne after the other, do not consider it rotating pesticides. Its not the pesticide but the mode of action that needs rotation. Do to not having very many safe options I didn't rotate properly but I bombarded the little fuckers by using it constantly. 95%or more will be dead after the first othene/pyreth mix so the other 10+ pesticide applications were to eradicate the remaining 5% These bitches are born pregnant so it only takes one to survive and three months later back to square one, but now they have built a slight immunity to whatever pesticide was used. Be diligent from the get go or you will lose the battle. Good luck

Student it would be cool if you posted some pics if you had any of the bastards !


did you not inspect the clones from PO when you got them there not as tiny as broads would be right ??

I wouldnt ever grab a clone from a dispensary ever again after learning my lesson with broads.



not worth it ! thankfully I got a pretty stable lineup right now that I think ill be good with and herbies aint looking too bad either



AJAE

 

[GET MO]

Damnit!!!!

Damnit!!!!

about a month after treatment, my flower room sterilized and super treated, my veg room double treated with bayer complete....
I transplanted everything with some insect frass mixed in then gave um a dose of og biowar to get the chito flowin. Well i found a male so i took it out, n decided to look at the roots.... Everything looks HEALTHY AS HELL! But this is what i found....

FUUUUCK... I havent seen any in the flower room yet (thank the lord) but I need to run some preventative. In my flower room i have a real nice fan suckin air out, plus two fans blowing air like crazy so its hard for them to fly around if they do come in. also got yellow sticky traps everywhere, any other preventative or medicine yall think i should use? maybe some azamax in the rez? Im 3 weeks in so no way id use bayer or anyting like that, need some natural preventative.... Like i said havent seen any yet, this is precaution. As for the veg room its bout to get a dose of bayer, then another 4 days later, then something else(workin on the solution....) Anyone know of predators that like these mothasuckas?

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

about a month after treatment, my flower room sterilized and super treated, my veg room double treated with bayer complete....
I transplanted everything with some insect frass mixed in then gave um a dose of og biowar to get the chito flowin. Well i found a male so i took it out, n decided to look at the roots.... Everything looks HEALTHY AS HELL! But this is what i found....

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FUUUUCK... I havent seen any in the flower room yet (thank the lord) but I need to run some preventative. In my flower room i have a real nice fan suckin air out, plus two fans blowing air like crazy so its hard for them to fly around if they do come in. also got yellow sticky traps everywhere, any other preventative or medicine yall think i should use? maybe some azamax in the rez? Im 3 weeks in so no way id use bayer or anyting like that, need some natural preventative.... Like i said havent seen any yet, this is precaution. As for the veg room its bout to get a dose of bayer, then another 4 days later, then something else(workin on the solution....) Anyone know of predators that like these mothasuckas?

MO bro your photos are good but idk what im even looking for lol


are you saying the red shaped ovals are RA's coming back ?


Line the tops with perlite if you havent already should keep em out the tops so no more laying shit.

what I dont get is how your roots look so kick ass when your saying you see them coming back right ? In your post above you say you havent seen anything yet but then you post photos saying this is what you found


what did you find pearly white roots ? cause that all that I see ? lol


I use sm-90 religiously. Azamax is on my shelf will do a root drench before flip. didnt Hypo. M kick ass against these bastards ?


nematodes too



AJAE

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Also what I dont get guys


is so what the classic flying RA lays eggs that turn into the Bulb shaped aphid ?

look into big time exterminator. read the bottle the other day in the shop cool to use with h202 which caught my eye real quick cause i was like wtf then what is in this shit.


basically its is an enzyme from what I remember that shells out the aphids. they got root drench directions on the bottle too.



Hoping someone will try this stuff soon and shed some light on it.

how do these aphids keep finding you MO ? we got good screens set up ? maybe you need to try and insecticide around the house was thinking of doing this over my spring break too.


after all my vents etc will be sprayed with cedarcide cpo like Mikel mentioned which they hate big time and heard it smells good !!!




sm-90 is the only bottle i know that smells good so im pumped to have another instead of stinky shit like serenade that shit smells like straight feet dog lol

 

[GET MO]

The pics with the little red-yellow oval things are the root aphids, i dont have them in my flower room but found them in my veg room (which is about 50 yards away from my flower room in a shed in the woods). I think they keep finding me because they live in the woods around my house. One of the reasons i want to find a predator for them so i can release it over and over till they disapear. I think this is like the middle stage for them, before they start looking like lil ticks, this is there slightly softer body stage.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

are you seeing fliers too MO ?


hypo M and nematodes like I said but i think its best to use them from start to finish. I don think they do well with chems and shit so use the og biowar perhaps with them ?

what I also dont get mo is how your roots look perfect yet there all up in there. Did you see them moving around in the veg spot? with you imid treatments if they took a bite they should be knocked the fuck out lol

AJAE

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Im thinking im going to bump my sm-90 up to 4-5ml from the standard 2-3ml from start to finish too.


sm-90 knock on wood is a bottle i wouldnt ever do without again. just because it offers a range of things but has to be used every watering.


Mo bro are you dunking or root drenching them too ?



AJAE

 

[GET MO]

i did two watering of bayer complete about a month ago. I mixed insect frass in the soil then watered with og biowar to get the chito shit working, i think that mixed with the root rally and constant watering with rhizotonic are why my roots look so healthy. ima order some of the h. miles n release them soon as possible, try to do this the old fashion way...
They dont seem to be bothering anything right now but they look like root aphids, same ones i had before... heres better pics of what i had last time, with flash n without..

and heres the new infestation...

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

i did two watering of bayer complete about a month ago. I mixed insect frass in the soil then watered with og biowar to get the chito shit working, i think that mixed with the root rally and constant watering with rhizotonic are why my roots look so healthy. ima order some of the h. miles n release them soon as possible, try to do this the old fashion way...

you answered the ? yourself


the imid complete wears off in a month doesnt it ?


time to rotate try the Gamma aka spectra.


then follow back up with the imid. or aza



I would still spray the outside of the shed dog ! with some bullshit like the bayer or what not at home depot.

 

[cannascholar]

To those recommending Og biowar, Capulator himself posted that he is using imid in addition to foliar pack for his current infestation.

You have the larger Ra, much easier to kill than the micro ra's. Considering drenching imid and followingup with kontos for my current infestation.

Already tried dr. enzyme it's ineffective. Giving Rid bugs a try tonight, a mixture of 25 botanical oils.

Storm shadow has recommended Kontos and Conserve sc . Anyone have aphid experience with spinosad?

 

[Granger2]

I think the roots are white now but won't be in a week or 2. Good luck. -granger

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Id go for a complete wipeout of them by using them together since the gch is a contact killer it gets a big portion of the population right away, while the imid sticks around for a while and interrupts their life cycle. Hit em with both at the same time and again in 5 days or so and get rid of any old medium that might be harboring them. Spray the perimeter around the building like aj suggested. Clean all ur surfaces. After the second application u should be in the clear.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

To those recommending Og biowar, Capulator himself posted that he is using imid in addition to foliar pack for his current infestation.

You have the larger Ra, much easier to kill than the micro ra's. Considering drenching imid and followingup with kontos for my current infestation.

Already tried dr. enzyme it's ineffective. Giving Rid bugs a try tonight, a mixture of 25 botanical oils.

Storm shadow has recommended Kontos and Conserve sc . Anyone have aphid experience with spinosad?

No one I have read about has had success with spinosad in their trials for RA. Have u clearly identified the RA, or could it be a soil mite? And do u have FG?

 

[cannascholar]

Yes they are . size aphids..even had an ant infested pot with honeydew being carried by them. Lots of springtails as well, no fungus gnats probably from using frequent biowar(hoping it will atleast slow aphids down).

Having my helper dunk them in 2 ml per gal imida pro/2ml riptide pbo for a few seconds tomorrow.

Rid-bugs at @ 2oz per gal was too harsh on plants, essential oils seem best for foliar unless frequently in small amounts, which will most likely have no effect.

Haven't tried Safer's soap however it should clean honeydew off roots and kill some. Following Only Ornamentals suggestion of saponins(yucca) and lecithin. Also doing 1 g per gal chitosan, frequent sea crop/sea shield.

Plants look nice but roots are so so, an early imid punch followed by kontos, near flip should allow me to outrun them.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Yes they are . size aphids..even had an ant infested pot with honeydew being carried by them. Lots of springtails as well, no fungus gnats probably from using frequent biowar(hoping it will atleast slow aphids down).

Having my helper dunk them in 2 ml per gal imida pro/2ml riptide pbo for a few seconds tomorrow.

Rid-bugs at @ 2oz per gal was too harsh on plants, essential oils seem best for foliar unless frequently in small amounts, which will most likely have no effect.

Haven't tried Safer's soap however it should clean honeydew off roots and kill some. Following Only Ornamentals suggestion of saponins(yucca) and lecithin. Also doing 1 g per gal chitosan, frequent sea crop/sea shield.

Plants look nice but roots are so so, an early imid punch followed by kontos, near flip should allow me to outrun them.

Watch out for the high ph in the safer soap. The plant handles it pretty well on the foliage but idk about ur root zone. Id do a small test on one plant for a week or so to make sure it doesn't mess up ur soil.

 

[EclipseFour20]

The only time I lost a complete test batch was when I dunked the rootballs in potassium salts of fatty acids (aka insecticidal soap). The test batches were comparing treatments of Imid, Botanigard and Orthene...I recall all plants went limp and died. So, IMHO, tread carefully when using Safer's insecticide soap as a root treatment. Maybe if it was the only thing I had used (no Imid, Botanigard or Orthene) the results might have been more positive, but that is not what I did. And by now, it should be rather obvious what I finally went with for complete RA annihilation.

Good luck!

 

[StankyBeamer]

Riptide + Orthene w/PBO. You the man eclipse, I soaked everything in half strength of each just before giving up, and I think that's what made my house viable for another grow. I had no plants in the house for two months, I used bleach as an area spray, it's been five weeks since I got clones and popped seeds, the roots are growing like crazy. I got phosphorus lockouts from residual salts, got a little paranoid, then checked runoff and realized I just let the coco too dry a few times, problem solved. Eclipse's combo of death works, it really does. I was so sick of watching those little bastards suck down imid, totally unphased by it