Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???

[EclipseFour20]

Soil drenching might work...but it did not work for me. My logic as to why is: seldom is the grow medium 100% saturated when the container is "drenched", ergo RAs probably will not be 100% eradicated; but if the grow medium in a 5 gallon container is saturated (bottom first) for 20 minutes or so...100% saturation is almost certain (eradication of RAs is all but guaranteed).

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Which Bti product? Might be binding together if you're using Dunks/Bits or another solid product.

liquid in the res, and bits in the medium, "coir".

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Does anybody have any knowledge on the compatibility of sm90 and bti? Seems like I get a lot more black film on the res when I use both together, and I got myself wondering if the sm90 is smothering the bti. It would make sense since a well established fg population isn't being controlled very well by using both of them at the same time.

Mirac bro are you having fungus gnats that bad ?

Its funny because I was just going to say I hope Mikell sees your post he throws out good info and seems to know his shit.


But this is where I have to disagree with his previous statement before that sm-90 doesnt kill BTI since it isnt alive.

Mikell says hes talked to these companies and they say it isnt alive

but WTF ?

how can a bacteria not be alive when you look up the definition of bacteria and it clearly says :

that bacteria is a living single celled organism


So how can BTI not be alive.


Anyways bro I dont think their compatible imo instead I now use 3-5ml of sm-90 instead of the 1-2ml i use to use. Also I seem to have stopped my fungus gnat problem when I got a finer mesh screen since they were coming past my regular window screens and so were white flys.

Line the tops of your medium with perlite or something like it. Heard that works well will try to work it into my budget this round lol.

I would stick with sm-90 and throw in a couple azamax root drenches at a good preventative amount like 2ml a gal w/o the sm-90 in the mix for a few days.

so replace the sm-90 with azamax and after the initial watering with the azamax keep both the sm-90 and azamax out of your nute regime for a couple of days to get the leftover oils of the azamax out. Some people say they have good results with neem oil at a low dosage in their root zone but I cant test any ladies yet since im in compliance and dont have any spare currently. I can tell you my neem oil always burns a couple leaves with a foliar dunk no mater what I do at 2ml per gal. with a lil dr bonners.


Anyway I found sm-90 isnt very compatible with much lol so maybe bump your dosage up to 3-5ml per gal and throw in the azamax in rotation.

Not too many products on the organic side that you can run through the root zone and that makes me do this

might have to go with a GCH drench if your not the imid kind of guy.


but dont see why the layer or perlite and azamax wont get er done especially with sm-90 from start to finish


AJAE

 

[StankyBeamer]

Anybody have any input as to whether or not bti works with chloraminated tap?

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Finding out if its alive or not will determine alot of things



AJAE

 

[Buddyy]

If you have WRA or gnats or PM or spider mites or whatever I think everybody should STOP using chemicals and pesticides on cannabis. I think you should completely clean out your entire grow area, and I mean every last inch. Then throw out all soils and mediums that may be affected. Then but some seeds and start anew. I hate reading posts where somebody has an infestation and instead of scrapping it says something like. 'I just need to finish this run because blah blah blah, I'm gonna hit with apryrionolium and pyrethenium....... and then I'll just sell it to some chump. STOP IT!! Go organic or go home.

 

[the gnome]

checking out the plants last nite I saw what looked like a white fly under a fan.
under the scope it was the wings that made it look white.
the color was a yellow-lime green color was all i could tell because I tried to kill it carefully
so's to ID it, i smushed it a bit on the heavy side
it was the only one I saw.
looking at web pics of RA flyers, all are black.
Q is are they black when they get their wings or do the turn black after a while?
EDITED:
I saw another flyer this morning, like the 1 yesterday
it looked like a WF also
this one was bagged as it was sitting on a leaf.
scoped it out and it it looks like a WF because it IS A WF lol
what a relief

 

[StankyBeamer]

If you have WRA or gnats or PM or spider mites or whatever I think everybody should STOP using chemicals and pesticides on cannabis. I think you should completely clean out your entire grow area, and I mean every last inch. Then throw out all soils and mediums that may be affected. Then but some seeds and start anew. I hate reading posts where somebody has an infestation and instead of scrapping it says something like. 'I just need to finish this run because blah blah blah, I'm gonna hit with apryrionolium and pyrethenium....... and then I'll just sell it to some chump. STOP IT!! Go organic or go home.

I understand your point, but you clearly have not had to deal with a difficult aphid infestation. Cleaning and disposing of medium alone is not enough, they will probably come back. Furthermore, there is such a thing as responsible pesticide use: such as only using in veg, limiting dosage and number of applications, and analysis for residuals. Also, not everyone can afford to trash a crop, so I don't think there is a need to shame these farmers for doing what they can to bring in a crop to feed their families. This is why you have the choice to grow your own, so do that instead of offering worthless criticisms in the guise of advice

 

[the gnome]

yeah, I have to agree with mr stanky above, not only is the criticism of no help to anyone and absolutely worthless,
when you start saying pull it all down and toss it because of
"gnats or spider mites or whatever"
is just plain wrong as Ive ever seen a reply and shows how naive you are is the nicest way to say it.

I hate reading posts where somebody has an infestation and instead of scrapping it
STOP IT!! Go organic or go home.

best advice to you is stop reading these posts and read how simple it is to kill gnats and spider mites or whatevers.
while I respect your right to grow however you please passing through in here for probably 1 post and preaching down to us with your cure all solution to ditch our entire gro and "go organic or go home" attitude only aggravates and pisses people off trying their best to deal with RA issues and helping others with deal these problems.

 

[StankyBeamer]

Well said, after all, we haven't been searching for a solution to kill spider mites or fungus gnats for 200+ pages, I believe they cleared the gnat issue up by simply instructing growers to try bti and peroxide. Is that too residual for you? A bacteria and the stuff your mom put on your scrapes when you were a kid?

 

[Mikell]

Mosquito Bits/Dunks - [email protected]
Aquabac (Becker Microbial) Contact Form
Gnatrol (Valent) Contact Form

See for yourselves. Just contacted Valent and MicrobeLift, as I've actually only spoken with Becker and Summit.

Wrote this post this morning and never submitted as I had to run out the door. MicrobeLift replied and stated their product is live. Clearly I was a bit hasty in assuming all Bti products are inert.

This is actually quite interesting, as the reason I initially contacted Summit and Becker was in regards to a study on a microbial brew with Bti and shrimp meal, that shows very strong insecticidal properties. I put it on the back burner after hearing back from the two companies, as I wasen't stoked to have to pay the premium for laboratory grade controls. Life just turned shit side up, so may not be able to experiment with it for awhile, but I plan to start gathering the materials to confirm MicrobeLifts reply and go from there.

checking out the plants last nite I saw what looked like a white fly under a fan.
under the scope it was the wings that made it look white.
the color was a yellow-lime green color.
it was the only one I saw.

looking at web pics of RA flyers, all are black.
Q is are they black when they get their wings or do the turn black after a while?

Did he hop/fly around like a fungus gnat when you came near him? Had something similar on the peppers last year, couldn't get one to sit still for a picture and never managed to ID it. Bloody hell to get rid off, they all fly up in the air when you start spraying. Looks a little ridiculous to try and spray them out of the air

 

[the gnome]

an quick-n-easy solution for spider mites and other pests is a 50-50 iso alcohol/water solution in a spray bottle, kills em DOA

Did he hop/fly around like a fungus gnat when you came near him? Had something similar on the peppers last year, couldn't get one to sit still for a picture and never managed to ID it. Bloody hell to get rid off, they all fly up in the air when you start spraying. Looks a little ridiculous to try and spray them out of the air

I re-edited that post mikell,
ive never seen RA Flyers so couldn't say but what I said about them looking similar to white flies,
well I caught one alive and it is a white fly
bottom line on the RAs is I think i got lucky and
those sukers are history.

 

[StankyBeamer]

Do not say that brother, unless your knocking on a very large piece of wood. I hit the clone that brought me down with imid and gammacyalothorin and hit everything else with the gamma. Said the same thin you just did, then didn't see any for weeks, then boom all my plants in flower started dying again and I found more ra everywhere I looked. Keep your head down and your spray bottle handy lol, the aphid gods are cruel and love to be ironic

 

[the gnome]

lol.... thanks for the encouragement stanky
seriously, the gnome's grow op is at defcon 1 maximum awareness

 

[Critter]

anybody got a source for small bag of met52? I used to get em from the lady but it seems they are no where to be found?

edit:found some, All American Clay Works

 

[StankyBeamer]

lol.... thanks for the encouragement stanky
seriously, the gnome's grow op is at defcon 1 maximum awareness

I don't mean to sound negative bud I just don't want u to be heartbroken if you find some survivors, I thought I saved my grow, and Was crushed when I saw one single crawler some weeks later. Awareness is half the battle though

 

[GET MO]

I think if you knock um down with some hard poison then if you just do maintanance with biowar or something similar then they wont come back so hard. I was weeks from flower so i did a bayer complete regimen like 2 weeks ago, still seeing them outside my shed tho but none on the roots or in the room, was thinking of hitting the ground all around the shed with some stuff and putting gravel or something in the washing machine outlet on the side of the house because i see them heaviest over there. Finna start hitting with og biowar every week or 2 and start flowering soon. Also installed 2 hurricane osocillateing fans and a bigger outlet fan to keep air flowing strong so its harder for them to fly around.

 

[EclipseFour20]

I think if you knock um down with some hard poison then if you just do maintanance with biowar or something similar then they wont come back so hard. I was weeks from flower so i did a bayer complete regimen like 2 weeks ago, still seeing them outside my shed tho but none on the roots or in the room, was thinking of hitting the ground all around the shed with some stuff and putting gravel or something in the washing machine outlet on the side of the house because i see them heaviest over there. Finna start hitting with og biowar every week or 2 and start flowering soon. Also installed 2 hurricane osocillateing fans and a bigger outlet fan to keep air flowing strong so its harder for them to fly around.

IMHO, if you are walking outside before entering your grow environment (shed)...then it is possible your shoes are the source of RAs. Their food source is "organic material" and if they hitchhiked a ride from outside on your shoes...once inside the shed, they then migrate to their food source (your plants).

Not to be a "debbie downer" but please research these two topics: "Imidacloprid half-life" (especially for soil) and "imidacloprid resistance aphids" (overuse and abuse of imid has rendered it ineffective to control certain pests). You will be amazed.

 

[GET MO]

Well it killed the shit out of my RAs, and i dont plan to use it again because its too damn poisonous.

 

[EclipseFour20]

Yeah, I used it too---until I "knew better", then I sought out alternatives.

Being "enlightened" does have it's consequences...lol.