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Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???
- Thread starter spleebale
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like a spider mite right?
*edit* reading up on russet mites. son of a bitch is pretty adequete. Guess Im gonna finish the girls out then scrub everything and start fresh.
Damn
*edit* reading up on russet mites. son of a bitch is pretty adequete. Guess Im gonna finish the girls out then scrub everything and start fresh.
Damn
BlazinPurps
Active member
Well after starting over everything looks great but I just found a random flyer and think I got them right back. I am hoping its a fungus gnat but I do not think so. Can anyone verify?
hard to say flip it over and look for tail pipes
BlazinPurps
Active member
Sorry to be the guy with bad pictures, I cannot find tail pipes on this guy anywhere. Here is one more picture but it does not really give a better view.
I'd say yours looks more like an aphid.
just compare if you have a at least 30x magnifier. I did those with 60^^
FG:
RA:
Check your roots/pots too, if there are flyers yet you would also see some crawlers.
Good Luck
just compare if you have a at least 30x magnifier. I did those with 60^^
FG:
RA:
Check your roots/pots too, if there are flyers yet you would also see some crawlers.
Good Luck
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Shoots
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I am nursing everything back from the orthene treatment and damn did the plants take a hit. some stuff took 10-12 days before needing any water. All in all I am happy with it though and there is not a sign of anything crawling around or flying around the plants. Will try and post sone pictures of the plants soon like tomorrow so you can see what I am talking about.
if you have Gnat flyers does that mean 100% there is crawlers in my root zone ? i see flyers but dont see anything in the pots,
i am using Gnat off but i dont know how effective this is.
the plants are a a few months old and are not showing any def as of yet.
i am using Gnat off but i dont know how effective this is.
the plants are a a few months old and are not showing any def as of yet.
when you expect gnats, just scrab the top of your soil until you are in the wet zone. you should see their larva "jumping" around. Also when you approach the pots quickly and lift them, the adult ones sitting on the pots should be disturbed and take off simultaniously. shortly after they will settle down again as soon you are out of sight.
I had times when I felt like in the deepest malaria jungle every watering.
Get some sticky traps and put them in some pots. check them after a week, if there is a significant infistation they should be full of them. the less the better.
Either RAs or FGs, both flyers will start from the pots when reaching maturity.
but FGs prefer to stay in the zone and sit most of the time around there unless they are disturbed. Flying RAs on the other way will concentrate on tops of plants and sit on the leaves or buds. when you are in flower, check your buds they are the real sticky traps for RAs. if an infestiation gets out of controll, buds will be literally covered with dead ones.
you will also see a lot more of them flying around the light pretty aggressively, than you will with FGs. A sticky trap up there is also valuable for quick detection.
about crawlers:
check a few sites earlier, I tried to picture one larva (crabs)
those are pretty tiny so hard to see on first sight.
I allways stare at the pot or rootball for at leat 30 seks and concentrate if i see something moving. Especially in coco its pretty wierd. first it appears that there is nothing, but if you keep staring suddenly the whole media will kinda start to move. It is them and in the larva stage they are transculent so they will kinda look like their background. But the will move pretty fast. I would say they are less than 0,5mm big so a magnifier is allways a good deal.
I had times when I felt like in the deepest malaria jungle every watering.
Get some sticky traps and put them in some pots. check them after a week, if there is a significant infistation they should be full of them. the less the better.
Either RAs or FGs, both flyers will start from the pots when reaching maturity.
but FGs prefer to stay in the zone and sit most of the time around there unless they are disturbed. Flying RAs on the other way will concentrate on tops of plants and sit on the leaves or buds. when you are in flower, check your buds they are the real sticky traps for RAs. if an infestiation gets out of controll, buds will be literally covered with dead ones.
you will also see a lot more of them flying around the light pretty aggressively, than you will with FGs. A sticky trap up there is also valuable for quick detection.
about crawlers:
check a few sites earlier, I tried to picture one larva (crabs)
those are pretty tiny so hard to see on first sight.
I allways stare at the pot or rootball for at leat 30 seks and concentrate if i see something moving. Especially in coco its pretty wierd. first it appears that there is nothing, but if you keep staring suddenly the whole media will kinda start to move. It is them and in the larva stage they are transculent so they will kinda look like their background. But the will move pretty fast. I would say they are less than 0,5mm big so a magnifier is allways a good deal.
BlazinPurps
Active member
Yeah I suspected RA's as well I just cannot find any crawlers or larva like I did last time they were everywhere seemingly overnight. I restarted from cuttings that I isolated in another house and treated with Azamax and a couple 120 degree dunks before planting them and sanitized everything in my grow area with bleach but I missed them somewhere. I agree you have to stare at the soil for a little bit before your eyes adjust and you start to notice them but I cannot find a single one.
I amended my soil with a fair amount of DE and planted in smart pots this time vs the plastic buckets I was in to allow the soil to dry quicker. That along with a little neem and Azamax and they seem very well controlled and are not affecting my plants that I can tell. I was pretty skeptical the DE would help this much but it has appeared to of made a significant difference. Previously when I saw a flyer it meant there were hundreds in the soil now I cannot find a single one even through my loupe.
I amended my soil with a fair amount of DE and planted in smart pots this time vs the plastic buckets I was in to allow the soil to dry quicker. That along with a little neem and Azamax and they seem very well controlled and are not affecting my plants that I can tell. I was pretty skeptical the DE would help this much but it has appeared to of made a significant difference. Previously when I saw a flyer it meant there were hundreds in the soil now I cannot find a single one even through my loupe.
Nice bro! I even had the same idea, just purchased all stuff today finally
DE + Neem cake + Smartpots. It will be the first time I use them.
plastics suck, they drain like shit.
So far I had drilled extra holes in my plastics and taped the side openings. Just to see if there is a difference.
It was no good idea, i mean the root growth is awesome^^
But with RAs thats just some kind of gourmet buffet you offer.
i guess thats the game, trial and error. I hope to do finally better with the smart pots.
For my plastics I try another thing. I got some crushed marble twice the size of hydrotons, so it wont be flushed out. I filled the pots up to the side openings and on top of the marble, add a thin layer of coarse sand, DE and a little neem cake. all mixed.
In theory this should stay pretty dry but also wont be flushed away. Lets see how this is going to work out.
the first time I spotted one again in the nursery area i cleared, was about one week ago. today i chopped the whole nursery because they were just everywhere again, more flyers than anything else. I diped the bundles of cuts comnpletely into hot water (50°C) and put them in a glas with water and into the fridge afterwards. tomorrow I am going to root them with a bubbler.
Good look for you, getting rid of them once and forever!
BlazinPurps
Active member
Good look for you, getting rid of them once and forever!
Thanks for the replies and good luck to you as well!
sammyz2646
Member
As soon as the roots grow through the smart pot , its buffet time again, unfortunately. I tried that
Tried gnat nix too
All these things HELP, but until you KILL them in your root zone, its like climbing up a tree in a hurricane while sleeting in your face
Smartpots are a START in the right direction, but RA's will make you crazy, I KNOW!!!
I feel your pain
Tried gnat nix too
All these things HELP, but until you KILL them in your root zone, its like climbing up a tree in a hurricane while sleeting in your face
Smartpots are a START in the right direction, but RA's will make you crazy, I KNOW!!!
I feel your pain
And there we go ..... again
Treatment:
Neem emulsion soil drench with the shower sprayer.
12ml/L (Neemoil + Emlulsifier)
I let them sit in the runoff for ~20min each and washed them in the meantime with 3ml/L emulsion via pumpsprayer.
Then I transplanted some into 11L Pots with homemade soilless mix including 10ml/L diatomaceous earth, 10ml/L neem cake and of course a lot of bennies. The straight coco plants were transplanted into smartpots. the coco was flushed with 125°F water and then amended with 30ml/L DE
All pots were topdressed with Sand+DE and marble gravel.
I would say not more than one finger thick.
The whole treatment took me over 16 hrs of work today so keep ya fingers crossed for me
This time I brought up the big guns and here is my only message for them.
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PS: my quarantine in my kitchen. just 4 fun
this clones haven't been infested so far and I hope to keep it like that there. I have no no idea what light that is exactly but they really seem to love it. I always put my clones there to root them, works perfectly.
I always lack space with my homegrow, but more lamps is no option.
Treatment:
Neem emulsion soil drench with the shower sprayer.
12ml/L (Neemoil + Emlulsifier)
I let them sit in the runoff for ~20min each and washed them in the meantime with 3ml/L emulsion via pumpsprayer.
Then I transplanted some into 11L Pots with homemade soilless mix including 10ml/L diatomaceous earth, 10ml/L neem cake and of course a lot of bennies. The straight coco plants were transplanted into smartpots. the coco was flushed with 125°F water and then amended with 30ml/L DE
All pots were topdressed with Sand+DE and marble gravel.
I would say not more than one finger thick.
The whole treatment took me over 16 hrs of work today so keep ya fingers crossed for me
This time I brought up the big guns and here is my only message for them.
[youtubeif]o-OCrKI5-bo[/youtubeif]
PS: my quarantine in my kitchen. just 4 fun
this clones haven't been infested so far and I hope to keep it like that there. I have no no idea what light that is exactly but they really seem to love it. I always put my clones there to root them, works perfectly.
I always lack space with my homegrow, but more lamps is no option.
sammyz2646
Member
I have had countless of these 16 hour battle days and I see that you are doing lots of the recommended strategies here. Props to you bro for your determination!!! I know the place your in.
BUT, I know RA's now better than ever. I have not read all of your posts Hmong, but I have noticed your latests ones. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the neem oil/cake/teas/etc only help SLIGHTY and will NOT rid you by any means of these bastards.
DE? Sand? If your population has reached a certain point, they will mob through that crap, trust me
Don't know about the hot water, personally I am not a fan of this treatment as the risks are significant
You may not always see damage with this, but it IS hard on the plant
And if your doing a perpetual, keeping things clean and separated , like shoes gloves or ANYTHING you tough at all will re infect other rooms, which is another reason among many that many are unable to EVER completely shake these guys, you must stop for at least one cycle to empty the room, keeping the new babies somewhere WAAAYYYY different. GOOD LUCK, Sam
BUT, I know RA's now better than ever. I have not read all of your posts Hmong, but I have noticed your latests ones. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the neem oil/cake/teas/etc only help SLIGHTY and will NOT rid you by any means of these bastards.
DE? Sand? If your population has reached a certain point, they will mob through that crap, trust me
Don't know about the hot water, personally I am not a fan of this treatment as the risks are significant
You may not always see damage with this, but it IS hard on the plant
And if your doing a perpetual, keeping things clean and separated , like shoes gloves or ANYTHING you tough at all will re infect other rooms, which is another reason among many that many are unable to EVER completely shake these guys, you must stop for at least one cycle to empty the room, keeping the new babies somewhere WAAAYYYY different. GOOD LUCK, Sam
I didn't treat the plants, only the coco before i started anything. But yes I did this once because I didn't have any insectizide @ home and freaked out after I found this thread the same night haha. I would not recommend this too anymore, except for cuttings.
I just try to stall until summer, then I usually break until october since i have no AC
in the meantime I plant to vakuum and sterilize at least every 2 weeks, depending on how things will develope. april is comming and it's gonna be raining over weeks prob. so this makes a good sunday activity^^
for the worst case I got some good old Bayer
thank you very much Sam, I really appreciate that.
Pepe le skunk
Member
treated with imid and not a sign in 3 weeks in veg. The crawlers climb the stem and jump down into the saucer. Was spraying them with nukeum when they are crawling in the saucer but was thinking if you place sticky tape around the stem if it might stop some of the crawlers heading into the leaves and buds. Flyers will still be able to relocate but at least it helps catch the crawlers.
Anyone else who has these don't forget to say where you think they came from, soil or a clone from someone else.
Anyone else who has these don't forget to say where you think they came from, soil or a clone from someone else.
sammyz2646
Member
So from my experiences, the Nuke em' only really kills the flyers. It might kill the nymphs if you bathe them in it but its not the right product for RA's. Plus repeated treatments to the root zone will hurt the plant. That said, I do like Nuke em' in other applications as it is a fantastic product, just not for root soaks, in my opinion
Depending on your outbreak, even the IMID treatment will only keep them at bay for a while, trust me!!! Especially the weaker stuff
I personally have tried probably 1000's of dollars of stuff discussed previously in this forum and MOST of it just isn't sufficient to kill them off for good, OR, it damages the plant so badly that it defeats the purpose
