From the TSW 2000 to the FCE 3000

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Does the mix drain well?

The drooping looks like a root problem. Fusarium?

You could take it easy with foliars, once a week is plenty. The silicate puts a 'glass' layer on your foliage which makes it harder and less appetising for bugs, but so I've heard it can also block your stomata if overused.

Hang in there

 

[JustGrowing420]

On a different more positive note, I have noticed especially my autos under the led cycle between droop/normal every day during preflowering/stretch.
Also have you mixed coco in your substrate? if so maybe they need a bit more water? Although to tell the truth gorilla looked worrying droopy in one photo... dunno, just thoughts.

 

[Sampas92]

Thanks guys.
I think it have good drainage, even though the perlite in the bottom of the pot may have helped to make it a bit more water logged, dunno but i also didnt water them a lot each time before this last big watering. The perlite holds a bunch of water in that bottom, and before this last watering i was feeling the soil moist, not logged but not dry by the wicking.

I thougth about fusarium, i saw someone fighting it outdoors with fooliars and other goods in a thread, but i remember reading something about that whrn they have it they start perky and droop when the light intesity increases..dunno need to search about it more.

I have coco in the mix, 20% in all of them.

The Gorilla have that worrying droopy everyday. The thing is if they were with too much water i guess i wasnt seeing the roots searching for water in the plate? In my newb mind a more logged pot would make difficult for the roots to expand and develop. I think?

For example, yesterday i watered the youngest on the front left, untill run off like i did with the other ones and i notice she is not praying, kinda she is more heavy, its ok because i know from what is it..The Killer that is praying good, looks like it and droop just a bit at lights out, since the big watering i know from what is it. Mazarilla is not so perky, but she only droop a bit by lights out i know what is ir. The Gorilla now looks like that, but at lights out will be that disgrace and started before the big watering, funny little fussy girl..

I went to check on the new comer, she detached her shell sucessfully, sprayed the soil and dome

Peace

 

[PCBuds]

This is my window plant right now...

She has flaked out for the night.
I don't think it has anything to do with water because she has always been sitting in water and she didn't start wilting until I increased the lights.

She perks up before the lights come back on and reaches up all day long.

I'm not going to worry about it.
I think she has just had enough light for the day and is resting.

I could probably get her to stop sleeping by reducing and raising the lights, but I'm not going to do that.
I'll be giving her more light if anything.
Lol


I kinda think that the plants get into a habit/routine of sleeping every night too?
So it may not stop sleeping even I did reduce the lights?

 

[PCBuds]

Looking at those 4 plants, it looks like the Gorilla is the biggest and darkest green of the bunch.

I figure that it has more chlorophyll and more total leaf surface to absorb light energy, where the smaller front left plant is a lighter green and remains praying all the time.

To me, it means that the Gorilla is getting too much light (either intensity or duration) and the front left plant could use more light?

I figure that you may have to decide which plants to accommodate?

Personally, I would just leave everything the way it is and wait to see if the Gorilla adjusts to the light level.
(actually, if it were me, I'd turn up the lights. But you know how I grow. lol)



I'll keep checking my window plant and posting pictures for some reference for you.

I added the 16 Watt SIL three days ago and she drooped well before lights out the first day and didn't perk up until after the lights were on for a while the next day, then yesterday she didn't droop until after the lights went out, then woke up 2 hours before the lights came on, so I think that she is adjusting to the light level.

 

[Sampas92]

Dunno buds, the Gorilla after raising the lights height and feed her a bunch of calmag somehow looks better, still bad, but a bit better..

Yesterday the foliar for the night was silicon, potassic soap, epsoms, a pinch of calmag and seaweed, i notice the Mazarilla and Killer are better, the leafs are more soft, but then again, i dunno what improve them.

Yes buds, the Gorilla is the tallest, right now +/- at 62 cm from the light. Ill do an experiment when the lights go out..i will raise the lights to become ate 70cm from her, and will raise the other girls to the same heigth or close to see how they present themselves tomorrow.. i want to try it because for example the Killer looks way taller than it was, due to genetics?light distance? Explosive growth of ending veg and start stretching? Maybe a bit of each? Im gonna experiment either way.


pics 5 hours before lights out

Killer, the happiest

Mazarilla, looks better today

Gorilla, looks a bit more perky today, some clawing but maybe some too much water since i only see a tinge of leafs starting to burn, but no burn itself. Also after all the changes the tops dont have that paleness, they are more of a healthy normal green, maybe too much light?lacking calmag?maybe if i didnt raised the light but have gave to her the calmag it should achieved the same results?dunno.. i feel somehow that she would prefer a less intense light, maybe higher for more dispersion maitaining the power.. dunno tomorrow i will see if she looks happier with a bit more distance from the light.

Rocky

peace

 

[PCBuds]

... Ill do an experiment when the lights go out..i will raise the lights to become ate 70cm from her, and will raise the other girls to the same heigth or close to see how they present themselves tomorrow.. i want to try it because for example the Killer looks way taller than it was, due to genetics?light distance? Explosive growth of ending veg and start stretching? Maybe a bit of each? Im gonna experiment either way.


pics 5 hours before lights out

Killer, the happiest

Yeah !!
That makes sense to me.
The killer looks hungry for light so getting her closer gives her more while you dial in the Gorilla.

Everybody in the tent can be happy then.

.. i feel somehow that she would prefer a less intense light, maybe higher for more dispersion maitaining the power.. dunno tomorrow i will see if she looks happier with a bit more distance from the light.

peace

That's what I think.
She's got too much light.
It sounds like you are getting her back on track and you can get more light to the others by evening out the canopies.



In my case, I intend to push my plant hard with light as soon as she has two full sets of leaves.
I need to get her prepared for taking in more than 57000 lumens. lol

If I see my plant praying, I'm going to turn up the lights.

 

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Killer, the happiest


Mazarilla, looks better today




Rocky



peace

Looking superb..

 

[gizmo666]

Looking at those 4 plants, it looks like the Gorilla is the biggest and darkest green of the bunch.

I figure that it has more chlorophyll and more total leaf surface to absorb light energy, where the smaller front left plant is a lighter green and remains praying all the time.

To me, it means that the Gorilla is getting too much light (either intensity or duration) and the front left plant could use more light?

I figure that you may have to decide which plants to accommodate?

Personally, I would just leave everything the way it is and wait to see if the Gorilla adjusts to the light level.
(actually, if it were me, I'd turn up the lights. But you know how I grow. lol)



I'll keep checking my window plant and posting pictures for some reference for you.

I added the 16 Watt SIL three days ago and she drooped well before lights out the first day and didn't perk up until after the lights were on for a while the next day, then yesterday she didn't droop until after the lights went out, then woke up 2 hours before the lights came on, so I think that she is adjusting to the light level.

i was thinking the same with the lights
what are you running just now
i took bibi40's advise when he told me to turn mine up (mines were younger and at 50%)i think when mines were around your stage my light was at 60-70% and my plants sucked it up
try that for a couple of days and see how it works out for you
good luck with it tho i think your doing great :friends:

 

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I use the ppfd app on the left.. and compared it with my lux meter meter and its pretty accurate and there is no guessing.

Veg- 15-25 dli - 400-600 ppfd
Early flo- 25-35 dli - 600-800 ppfd
Full flower- 35-43 dli - 800-1000 ppfd

 

[PCBuds]

I use the ppfd app on the left.. and compared it with my lux meter meter and its pretty accurate and there is no guessing.

Veg- 15-25 dli - 400-600 ppfd
Early flo- 25-35 dli - 600-800 ppfd
Full flower- 35-43 dli - 800-1000 ppfd

Those apps are good but they use your cellphones' camera or light sensor and every phone is different.

The apps on my phone (Samsung A21) only read up to 20,000 lux because of limitations of my phones sensors.

Even my Lux meter gives semi-erroneous readings and needs to be compared to a proper quantum meter to calibrate it.

BUT,... the apps are really useful to compare different readings that it gets from different light settings, even if the actual number isn't accurate.

Twice as much is twice as much and half is half.

If Sampas92 can find information on the actual quantum numbers for his lights, he can use that to calibrate his different meters and apps.

 

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Those apps are good but they use your cellphones' camera or light sensor and every phone is different.

The apps on my phone (Samsung A21) only read up to 20,000 lux because of limitations of my phones sensors.

Even my Lux meter gives semi-erroneous readings and needs to be compared to a proper quantum meter to calibrate it.





BUT,... the apps are really useful to compare different readings that it gets from different light settings, even if the actual number isn't accurate.

Twice as much is twice as much and half is half.

If Sampas92 can find information on the actual quantum numbers for his lights, he can use that to calibrate his different meters and apps.

I didn't think I'd need to go into micro details about how how every phone is different.

I'm sure sampas has the common sense to make sense of the readings.. the reading doesn't matter much, as its accurate enough as a baseline,.. beats pissing in the wind

 

[PCBuds]

I didn't think I'd need to go into micro details about how how every phone is different.

I'm sure sampas has the common sense to make sense of the readings.. the reading doesn't matter much, as its accurate enough as a baseline,.. beats pissing in the wind

Yeah, for sure.

I had so much trouble trying to make sense of all the different numbers that I gave up on using them.
I just use my brightness dial as my gage.

Its the same with my cheapie PH and PPM meters.
They are so bad that you really are better off just guessing than trusting them.

 

[Sampas92]

Thank you all trying to help me.
Gizmo, i saw i think in the last thread that bibi has that the lights are high in height, if my memory is right, around 80/70cm and i remember something like 85% power or something like it..basically i think they grow to the light, getting used and growing as they mature and stocky and branchy, maybe because of the intensity of the leds? FCE 3000 too i think..That is not even close to the guidelines MH gave, so maybe the auto genes have something to do about it(?)
I remember when people used cobs, some at ridiculous heights and on low wattage because the intensity was so strong that the plants were totally bushes.
With this light and thinking on making money, the manufacters may prefer to use fewer leds that they could to run them harder and last less time.
Maybe them running harder makes them more intense? Dunno but im going to try what i talked before and see how they do..

Mr dots and buds, i tried my luxmeter a few days ago and the readings that i got, if i got the same lets say using SILS like i used too, i know that they were not be these happy, with that and knowing that with the specific spectrum leds that it dont reads, and me playing with the dimmer, i ditched it. I will try the apps and post tomorrow what i get with them. I know the results need to be taken with a pinch of salt, the lux meter with the SILS was the same. Tomorrow ill have news.

Mr, dots, 5 hours ago they were looking superb, what about now at lights out?
Killer

Mazarilla

Gorila

BTW the Coco Gold before lights out and moistened the environment, those tips are burned or is remenescents from anything of the shell or is just greening up?

Peace

 

[PCBuds]

...
With this light and thinking on making money, the manufacters may prefer to use fewer leds that they could to run them harder and last less time.
Maybe them running harder makes them more intense? Dunno but im going to try what i talked before and see how they do..

I wonder about that too.
The science suggests that running twice as many LEDs at half the intensity would be exactly the same, but I suspect that there is a difference.

 

[Sampas92]

2 hours further into dark cycle

After Some spray

Now the lights are at 72cm from the Gorilla, the Killer is at 74cm and the Mazarilla is at 76. The Rocky is still in the ground and is now at around 90cm. Light is at 60%. Today when i arrived from work i noticed some scent in the air that was not in the previous days.
The temps are stil 24c at day and 22 at night maxing at 25.5 and minimum of 20.5/2, rh 55% at day and 50% at night. Rh minimum of 45 and maximum of 57%. This winter is been really dry, clear skys everyday, cold but not as usual, at all, temps of 0 to 6 with rain, where? Some rain, where?

Even worst when you add up that every year the country is fustigated by "wild" fires. The old ones say by a long time is because of the wood industry making money of that, take in consideration that its way before conspiracy theorist, negacionists, or whatever and, ironicaly one of the biggest paper producer companies in the world that is directly linked to the wood industry here also, Navigator is portuguese.

The reality is that, i think was 2 years ago, basically the ministry of justice have found strong evidence of criminal activity from firefight Italian companies(dont remember exactly if Spanish too) that had win the public contest of the goverment of the time to be contracted to fight our fires. This was together with videos of various fire spots starters all lined up, from the autorities patroling the area, among other evidences. I didnt year about it ever since. Investigating, who knows.

The government says our future will be dryer and its possible that we will become a desert like, Moroco you see, its good for growing pot, sure, but what is a major shift in various aspects, one of them agriculture, where the south is worried because everything is drying and at this rate one of the major concerns is that the economy will drop alot because agriculture is almost all in the south, turism also. Eureka moment from them, lets fuck up even more, and start to take water from the rivers at the north that are also drying, much less, but the future is not bright.

Ironically, meanwhile,EDP older public eletric company that was buyed by a chinese company, is talking about big ass solar plants.

They say a desert, the world say higher temps, higher sea levels, i think we will become a big ass beach.

The saddest thing is that the fires seem to be a common thing in other countries now, every summer, every year. I wonder how wild these fires are with so much money envolved in so many ways.

Sorry for the rant

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

7 hours into the day with the new heights. The Rocky is still mad with me because of so much water, the new botn i think looks ok?

Peace

 

[f-e]

Hey. First visit, so I'm probably missing a few things.
They looked green and perky until a week ago when you turned the light to 55%. That day one plant drooped a bit. Since then they have got lighter green each day, like organic soil loosing it's effectiveness. Other than an overall lack of food looking likely, the calcium aspect is getting my attention.

I note the compost used should be strong enough, but might not have the bio activity it should. While unrefined sugars are typically what we use, it's a cost thing I think. We can use sugar out the cupboard. It's something you could research quickly. For a more instant fix, the light could simply be reduced. They are growing like fuck anyway. A bit slower wouldn't hurt. Especially if it might mean a bit better.

I'm about to put up a post about calcium signs under LED. The light tops you have on that back right plant are a common sign. The stripes are not recorded as calcium very often, but I feel sure it's a cause and have a set of progression photo's to share. They only end in rust when progression is rapid, such as a RH disaster on a day you forget to water. The new sign of calcium is these stripes I believe. The old signs are seen less often, as LED isn't burning the weakened tissue so much. The signs are at the top, and what was the top.

You spoke of calmag as a pinch, so I'm unsure what you are using. If it were bottled, I might (just once) give that one plant 100ppm, which is likely 3ml per Liter using most brands of liquid.


That hash looks and sounds great.

 

[Sampas92]

Hi f-e, thanks for coming by and droping knowledge along the way


Indeed they did take the worst path after increasing the light power.. The smaller Rocky didnt show at the same time the others showed but it is smaller and is showing know the same purpling.

In reality i did just used the castings more because of microbial life (plus the bonus mites) to go along with the mycos from Trabe and the Great White, but didnt feed them. No sugar of any kind. I think i read some while back that honey could be used for it?might be mistaken. Either way i will look into it

The post you are creating, is anything related to hypocalcemia? I ask because a while bavk i saw a thread from it in another forum and there are some things that the same back right plant seems to show, at least for me looks similar. Either way i will read it.

The pinch of calmag that you are talking about was used on the foliar from the last 2 days wich the worst one didnt get. When i gave them calmag by watering was when i drown them a bit (wich the Rocky is still a bit mad). I gave them around 5/6ml/L of biobizz calmag trying to overload somehow, and droping to more normal levels in the next ones. I dont measure ec or ppm, its an instrument that i find expensive and if you dont know what is in your water, i think is wasting time measuring, but what do i know?


Btw some pics 5 hours before lights out, they all are more perky cpmparing to when i saw them earlier, the Gorilla seems to have the leafs more flat directed to the light.

Killer

Mazarilla

mad Gorila

Rocky

Coco Gold

Peace

 

[f-e]

They seem to of turned a corner. You did something right, or the size of them is giving them a bit more localised humidity. Many of my struggles revolve around little plants in big spaces, and vanish once they start touching.

I heard the term hypocalcemia, but forget what I read at the time. My thread, if I get it up, is just some pics and ideas, to see how others feel about it. I know now what you will say I think


I don't get my PPM numbers from a meter (meters give EC). PPM is calculated based on mixing ratios. I guess your biobizz is about 5% calcium as CaO which is 3.6% as elemental calcium (without the O bit, or Oxygen/oxidised). If you put 1ml of 3.6% in a liter, you get 36 PPM. I'm not really calculating anything here, it's just moving the decimal point. 5-6ml you say? That's the best part of 200PPM then. I have seen people hitting such numbers, but it's some way above last years survey average of 91 PPM.
The real issue is the N quantity that calmag likely has listed. Is it about 3%?
Do the math with me.. 1ml of 3% in a liter, is 30PPM. You might of been sticking in 180 PPM of Nitrogen. That's some heavy hitting.