Flush and starve plants during flowering??

[Riddleme]

And there you have it new growers, that thing I was tryin to tell you about. If you don't keep an open mind you will fall into the black market pot snob trap and never get out of it.

I have read/heard for the last several years that todays pot is not your fathers pot and I have been on a mission to show em they are wrong. That your fathers pot was way better and I have done that and brought back that old fire. The lowest tested strain I have was 21% most of em test at 24 & 25 % THC

If you read my journal, you saw I had a recent visitor from Oz that flew up just to sample my herb. I quoted his smoke report of the gathering. But I also gave him buds to take with and later he did smoke reports on em that I have not quoted as yet (didn't feel a need till now) This guy has been growing for 20 years and hangs with a circle of some of the best growers in Oz. He is very knowledgeable and is a geneticist by degree.

Yeppers, my buds are a tad darker, a tad denser and have very little bag appeal, they are boiled and fermented lol but here is what he had to say about em ,,,,,,,

First, with all respect and honesty and not in the least a criticism... Riddleme's buds are NOT magical, mystical things that are better than anything you have ever come across. They are AS good or damn close to the best weed that people who remember the best weed have ever had though and for a lot of people who haven't had truly good pot it would blow away everything they know about weed.
I have smoked a lot of good buds in a lot of good places. It is also grown and cured to thehighest standard. I have known a lot of good and average growers and have grown a lot of weed myself and I like a lot of it but out of hundreds of strains sampled, I could easily choose a desert Island top 10 from the last decade and a half. Maybe a dozen, but no more have been outstanding and really impressive. Riddleme did not unseat them all but added to them and may have reshuffled the order.

The Durban was a great Durban. I have known the power of the Durban for a long time and he has some good shit there. It is a little too up and racy, eye stinging and overwhelming for many and has never been one of my favourite smokes but it makes a great change from time to time and is always a popular smoke. I have particular and sometimes peculiar tastes in my smoke and am one of the few who doesn't love that shit- some of the "best" I've ever had but not what I'm looking for in a smoke personally.

The PE- well again I have had the pleasure of PE on more than one occasion and it is always good-great. Rid yours was probably the best BUT like the Durban, it is not what my brain and body crave, so I'm not the best one to document it. It is nice and strong, gets me high and smokes easy. It smells and tastes like a skunk shat out mango and pineapple diarrhea

The reason folks follow and listen to me is because I have always backed up what I say, there are many independent smoke reports of my gear all over the web, I have had a lot of folks come to visit me.

I (and 100's of others) have been boiling plants at harvest for several years. And I will put my buds up against any and all comers, you just read that my Durban & PE were the best a 20 year grower ever had so go ahead and argue with me all you want,, I am here to merely share info, what you do with it is up to you !!!

 

[EclipseFour20]

Let's just say, swag in the 60s/70s was around $25/lid--the seeds and stems were normal. If you had "connections", there was superior stuff out there (Jamacian, Columbian, Thai Sticks, "sensimilla" is what we called "no seed weed", and if you knew someone that knew someone, you had killer "homegrown"); top drawer stuff was available--just in limited supply. I began smoking weed at 11 (turn 61 next year)...and let's just say, nothing today can beat the stinky, sticky ganga we got from Cambodia during 1968-70.

So IMHO, if you knew your stuff--killer weed was around back in the day...but if you only dealt in lids/lb--expect schwag. If you dealt in kg, you had your choice and smoked "pinner joints" (cuz the weed was killer).

Same thing in the wine market--there has always been fine wine produced, but back in the 60's very few buyers would invest more than $5 for a bottle of fine wine. Today fine wine starts around $100/bottle...and some wineries sell out each year. Does that mean wine back in the 60s was pitui? No, it just means--today, there are more people that have "sophisticated palates" and prefer "the best" wine and weed than say...back in the 60s; thus goes the story of "supply and demand".

 

[TheCleanGame]

this stuff is wicked pure power plant

No offense to any of your fan-boys... your weed doesn't look very appetizing to me. Frosty isn't everything and I can see, just by looking at that bud you show, next to the pile of cigarettes, that given the choice I would definitely pass your bud up.

Your 'cure' process won't fix what I'm seeing.

 

[ThaiBliss]

I don't grow weed to look at it.

 

[EclipseFour20]

No disrespect Riddle, but bag appeal is an important quality that consumers expect.

As we know, most respected competitions use a point system (example: judge 20 specific qualities/attributes, each worth 5 points each, for a maximum score of 100) so determining the "winner" is rather easy and less "subjective".

I must confess that I have an interesting complication: I am both a connoisseur and a perfectionist...mediocrity need not apply. Which means if I don't perfect it or dispatch it, then I will be miserable.

Let's say you are in a competition where your flowers are equal in all respects (potency, taste, aroma, lasting effect, trich coverage, density, etc)--except for the bag appeal attributes...then how do you ever expect to bring home the "best of show" trophy?

Don't take me wrong--as I am not saying the lack of bag appeal is what separates "the men from the boys" or "professionals from amateurs"...what I am saying is "bag appeal" is something I would not sacrifice in exchange for a few "potency points". Its that connoisseur-perfectionist complex I have.

 

[Riddleme]

None taken, I grow for me, I don't sell my buds, don't plan on entering any cups anytime soon lol

Like I said, I'm just sharin info and IMO the bag appeal thang has gotten abused in recent years, but that is me, what do I know?

 

[Ras Mason]

"dudes...i just sublimated peppermint... "

I thought you were mocking my statement that I don't use fertilizer on any of my herbs.


ThaiBliss

No way Hosé. Your weed looks just like Vapes and C-rays, the boys, and all the finest i have seen from real BC growers.

I literraly, while writing to you guys, put an peppermint extract on my fingers and after my dab, i touched the sublimator element with my fingers....what ensued was , to say the least, bizarre...
peace

 

[EclipseFour20]

No problem...btw consumers are not the same as customers big difference.
Consumers are those that consume your weed, which include friends, strangers...as well as yourself.
Customers are those that compensate you for your efforts--which DOES NOT include yourself, as I seriously doubt you buy back your flowers...lol.

I look at each harvest and ask myself, is there anything I can do to make it better....as we know each strain has its own peculiarities, which I find fun to find, identify and then exploit. Make that bitch give her all!

No insinuation that you sold your weed was intended. When your quality is in the top 10%....its all about bragging rights.

 

[TheCleanGame]

No disrespect Riddle, but bag appeal is an important quality that consumers expect.

No disrespect... current "bag appeal" standards are based on consumer ignorance. Otherwise you wouldn't be calling GreenBud quality bud.

 

[Riddleme]

No problem...btw consumers are not the same as customers big difference.
Consumers are those that consume your weed, which include friends, strangers...as well as yourself.
Customers are those that compensate you for your efforts--which DOES NOT include yourself, as I seriously doubt you buy back your flowers...lol.

I look at each harvest and ask myself, is there anything I can do to make it better....as we know each strain has its own peculiarities, which I find fun to find, identify and then exploit. Make that bitch give her all!

No insinuation that you sold your weed was intended. When your quality is in the top 10%....its all about bragging rights.

I've had braggin rights for years, it all started when a forum member visited me years ago. Turned out he was very popular, was the bass player in an 80's hair band. Posted I got him higher than he had ever been, the visits started and have not stopped ever since lol. Which is not a problem as I enjoy the visits

 

[Riddleme]

No disrespect... current "bag appeal" standards are based on consumer ignorance. Otherwise you wouldn't be calling GreenBud quality bud.

This whole flushing debate has caused a lot of it, the ignorant notion that there are nutes in the buds has this flushing crap all over the web and now consumers have gotten hold of these notions in terms of bag appeal. That lime green, I've been properly flushed look has become what folks want now which is a shame for sure since it all base on nonsense. I have yet to smoke any that actually got me high?

Average smoker can barely handle one hit of my gear lol

 

[DrFever]

No disrespect... current "bag appeal" standards are based on consumer ignorance. Otherwise you wouldn't be calling GreenBud quality bud.

Your may say consumer ignorance but again in the real world of things you probably wouldn't have a clue,
Even tho i got no fancy Camera to take close ups or what ever of the buds et c
but i know when i call my purchasers to let them know in a weeks time its ready there usually over next day with 10 k giving it to me even before they see the goods making sure it goes to them must say something it may look green ??? but i can assure you its frosty as fuck and smokes amazing wow can only imagine when you see a bag full of purple lmao when you buy weed what do you look for ???? nice brown mold looking weed or nice fruity smelling dry frosty buds that when smoked you get no cough lock and it kicks
What i am seeing is American ignorance at its finest prior to 911 90 percent of the weed most americans smoked was either from Canada or mexico its only since 911 Borders tightened up that growing weed took off now there experts know it alls grow the best of the best lol Give it a rest UK europe Canada mexico been growing hell of alot longer shit i remember reading a big bust 200 million in pot etc and of course linked to Canada in New York,

 

[TheCleanGame]

Your may say consumer ignorance but again in the real world of things you probably wouldn't have a clue

That shit right there is funny. Didn't get past that line. LOL Shoulda stopped typing LOL

Seriously. One look at that picture of your bud and I say *Gack* I know EXACTLY what I'm looking at.

Don't talk to me about frosty and what people 'think' a good bag of bud should look like, it's definitely not what you're offering. Most people that use and grow cannabis are freaking ignorant on the subject. Those are the people that are defining bag appeal. lol

 

[Riddleme]

I wonder if you can look at this pic and tell me which 2 plants have been boiled? Yeppers 2 of em are fading

Let's see, feed till the end and get best possible yields, boiling water thru the pot, excess salts just gone, fade happens in a third of the time, buds dry with a week cure built in and some are concerned that it is unnatural ? My concern in sharing it has always been that I'd hate to see it adopted in the black market. I generally don't say that everything I do speeds things up and increases quality. I like growers to see that for themselves

 

[EclipseFour20]

Is it me...or do those buds look "dark"?

No disrespect... current "bag appeal" standards are based on consumer ignorance. Otherwise you wouldn't be calling GreenBud quality bud.

Dude, I never said quality buds are "green buds"...I just said his buds look "dark". In my lifetime (61 next year) I have seen yellow/golden buds, dark green buds, super dark--almost black buds, redish buds, and of course "lime green" buds--so the buds "pigment color" can vary and have nothing (but everything) to do with "bud quality". It is the appearance of the finished product the matters, and in this instant we are discussing the overall color and luster (and lack thereof) of Riddles buds. Not if his buds match a particular green hue; I think his buds look "dark", btw "dark" is not a color.

Riddle admitted admitted his buds lack "bag appeal" (ugly ducklings) and to me that is a defect. Ugliness is something few people find attractive. So lets focus on that--ugliness.

Like I said, I am both a connoisseur and a perfectionist...mediocrity need not apply. IMHO, ugly buds are not "top quality" (best in all attributes being judged)--his buds may be potent, taste great, very clean--but their lack of beauty is truly a "defect" that is real. Put differently, IF the buds were gorgeous AND they had all the qualities of the "ugly duckilings"--then, and only then would others deem his buds to be "top quality"...worthy of the "best of show" trophy. Its that beauty thing.

Example, say you are a CONSUMER of top quality things--you buy the best, eat the best, drink the best, drive the best, live the best, vacation at the best, date the best, smoke the best, etc...and today you are selecting tomatoes--one is gorgeous and one is ugly--both are identical quality save the "beauty and beast" thing, which one do you select?

IMHO, one can brag (talk smack) all day long---but unfortunately ugliness is a defect that can not be ignored. Like I said, hard to bring home the "best of show" trophy if your product lacks bag appeal; winning the "honorable mention" trophy is like getting kissed on the cheek...very disappointing.

If it were me, I would focus on what I can do as a cultivator to improve the beauty of the buds--lol, sorry, its that perfectionist thing that is in me.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Wow. This subject sure incites a lot of passion. Growers have a lot of pride in what they grow. This thread heats up, then dies when it gets too heated and ugly (sorry, LOL). When someone posts more after a time, it flares up again.

Riddleme and I have different opinions on some things, but we are both old enough to have seen buds from different generations of growers. Despite knowing that people can be blinded by their pride, it still really surprises me to see younger generation growers proclaim how much better the buds are today when they have not even experienced weed from the 70s or earlier. How can people "know" when they were not even smoking back then? Think about it. I am willing to admit, there was more really bad weed back then compared to today, but today there is a serious lack of exceptional weed. Too high a price to pay for constant mediocrity, in my opinion. I guess I'm one of those snobs who by only luck, had a good source for fine quality weed like Thai Stick, Jamaican, Sumatran, Colombian, and yes even Californian before about '85, before they all went to hell in a hand basket.

Part of these divergent opinions may be based in the strains that people have tended towards. Back in the day, the best weed was tropical Sativas, they still are, and today people like Indicas. I do believe that a good long cure positively affects Sativa strains, Indicas... not so much. I wish I could share with you whipper snappers some fine Thai Stick (brown) or old School Jamaican ganja. Hopefully, I'll have some soon. I'm on week 25 of flowering this gal below. How many of you who "know" weed is better now have had the patience to finish a long flowering Sativa:

I know many of you will use this as an example of "something has gone terribly wrong" with those blondes, greens, reds, and browns in there while it is still alive, even Riddleme. But I'm so happy with the way this is turning out. Too bad it is not scratch and sniff, because it smells like old school incense, lime, and cat piss. If it turns out half as good as Thai Stick, it would blow your young minds. Many of you would hate it because it could actually be scary for the first hour until you get control of yourself, and enjoy the trippy power and bliss when you relax and be in the moment.

I said before that I don't grow bud to look at it, although I like to, and now I say that I don't smoke it to make me sleepy.


ThaiBliss

 

[Riddleme]

Bag appeal is actually quite subjective, what I have found is that folks in their 50's and 60's that remember the weed of the 60's and 70's think my buds are gorgeous, even beautiful. Because they have the look, smell and high of your fathers weed.

The future is near, soon the corporations will take over, the price will come way down and the black market will fade away. It is merely a matter of time at this point. What I am doing is building a "brand" for when that happens

If ya want to be a playa in the future ya need to think a tad outside the box

 

[Riddleme]

Wow. This subject sure incites a lot of passion. Growers have a lot of pride in what they grow. This thread heats up, then dies when it gets too heated and ugly (sorry, LOL). When someone posts more after a time, it flares up again.

Riddleme and I have different opinions on some things, but we are both old enough to have seen buds from different generations of growers. Despite knowing that people can be blinded by their pride, it still really surprises me to see younger generation growers proclaim how much better the buds are today when they have not even experienced weed from the 70s or earlier. How can people "know" when they were not even smoking back then? Think about it. I am willing to admit, there was more really bad weed back then compared to today, but today there is a serious lack of exceptional weed. Too high a price to pay for constant mediocrity, in my opinion. I guess I'm one of those snobs who by only luck, had a good source for fine quality weed like Thai Stick, Jamaican, Sumatran, Colombian, and yes even Californian before about '85, before they all went to hell in a hand basket.

Part of these divergent opinions may be based in the strains that people have tended towards. Back in the day, the best weed was tropical Sativas, they still are, and today people like Indicas. I do believe that a good long cure positively affects Sativa strains, Indicas... not so much. I wish I could share with you whipper snappers some fine Thai Stick (brown) or old School Jamaican ganja. Hopefully, I'll have some soon. I'm on week 25 of flowering this gal below. How many of you who "know" weed is better now have had the patience to finish a long flowering Sativa:

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I know many of you will use this as an example of "something has gone terribly wrong" with those blondes, greens, reds, and browns in there while it is still alive, even Riddleme. But I'm so happy with the way this is turning out. Too bad it is not scratch and sniff, because it smells like old school incense, lime, and cat piss. If it turns out half as good as Thai Stick, it would blow your young minds. Many of you would hate it because it could actually be scary for the first hour until you get control of yourself, and enjoy the trippy power and bliss when you relax and be in the moment.

I said before that I don't grow bud to look at it, although I like to, and now I say that I don't smoke it to make me sleepy.


ThaiBliss

I think those buds are awesome !!!

 

[EclipseFour20]

Riddle, buds in the 60s & 70s were not "gorgeous". Trust me I moved kilos of the shit. The came to me as compressed mass, about the size of a big phone book. Even the Thai Sticks--were a compressed mass. The beauty thing started about 20 years ago when the demand for seeded weed waned.

 

[Riddleme]

Riddle, buds in the 60s & 70s were not "gorgeous". Trust me I moved kilos of the shit. The came to me as compressed mass, about the size of a big phone book. Even the Thai Sticks--were a compressed mass. The beauty thing started about 20 years ago when the demand for seeded weed waned.

Like I said, tis a subjective reality. Memories affect folks in strange ways. I work in the arcade industry, are you perhaps aware that the 2 most in demand, highest selling arcade games are still Galaga and Ms Pacman? And that they command a higher price than when they were new in the 80's.