Flush and starve plants during flowering??

[ThaiBliss]

Riddle, buds in the 60s & 70s were not "gorgeous". Trust me I moved kilos of the shit. The came to me as compressed mass, about the size of a big phone book. Even the Thai Sticks--were a compressed mass. The beauty thing started about 20 years ago when the demand for seeded weed waned.

I've watched some trimmers in action, producing the cleanest leaf free buds, and in the process getting their fingers all over the buds with lots of hash caking their fingers and scissors. I'd rather have mine compressed and cured with a little leaf than have buds with hash missing. Another reason for low nutes and flushing. All the leaves fall off on their own. A little seed now and again doesn't bother me at all, especially if it is excellent weed and I want to grow it myself. Many Sativas have a very slight hermaphrodism. Ain't a thing at all.

Like it is said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

ThaiBliss

 

[seventhchild]

Riddle, buds in the 60s & 70s were not "gorgeous". Trust me I moved kilos of the shit. The came to me as compressed mass, about the size of a big phone book. Even the Thai Sticks--were a compressed mass. The beauty thing started about 20 years ago when the demand for seeded weed waned.

i remember those days quite differently.i lived in the southeast and there were 1000's of good ol boys going south in their shrimp boats and small planes and bringing back whatever weed they could get their hands on.beautiful buds that smelled great.
almost none of this was compressed unless it came from Mexico.i saw a dealer cut open a burlap sack and pull out buds 3 feet long ,as thick as a fat mans arm,and still attached to the main stalk.Beautiful red lightly seeded buds but MAN was he pissed"$75 A LB FOR F***ING STEM"he screamed.we measured it at 5 1/2 feet.
it wasn't long before the days of "whats the next batch going look like" were over and everything started arriving as "bricks" of weed all smashed and formed into shape then wrapped in plastic.the red and gold disappeared,replaced with an almost universal dark green, more often then not the seeds were fat,plump,and ready to sprout.
WAIT, i seem to be rambling on like an old man.probably should eat BEFORE i smoke cause i did have something to say on topic................... ....................................oh yeh do any of you remember the REDS from south america?any clue how they achieved that cure? i had read elsewhere it was high heat and humidity but all that got me was brown.

 

[EclipseFour20]

Most of the exotic weed was flown in (thanks to Military Airlift Command) and it had to be compressed. Everything from South America was compressed and Jamaican was never compressed (maybe due to Bob Marley's influence...lol). If the Thai was second hand it was loose, but compressed when you opened a fresh bundle, some had printed stickers with a blue colored eagle with words "passed inspection" below it. When you saw that, you knew it was the real thing--that sticker was one the biggest family in Thailand's trademark. Mex weed (which was not my cup of tea) was always compressed and sticky--not from resins, but from the Coco Cola sprayed on the bone dry weed while it is being compressed; the spray kept kilo bundle from fallling apart and hold its shape (not to add weight). Those are my experiences with imports...as for domestic, I can not recall one incident where is was compressed. Shrink wrapped...yes, tight bundled, yes--but not compressed via trash compactor.


BTW...most of South American weed (Reds, browns, blondes, etc) was cured outside in the shade either hanging or inside burlap sacks. Some were cured right under the sun like much of the Acapulco Gold was--those plants were turned but sun dried/cured. Others might have other experiences...but these things I know and saw with my own eyes.

 

[seventhchild]

Most of the exotic weed was flown in (thanks to Military Air Command) and it had to be compressed. Everything from South America was compressed and Jamaican was never compressed (maybe due to Bob Marley's influence...lol). If the Thai was second hand it was loose, but compressed when you opened a fresh bundle (some had printed stickers with a blue colored eagle with words "passed inspection" below it. When you saw that, you knew it was the real thing! Mex weed (which was not my cup of tea) was always compressed and sticky--not from resins, but from the Coco Cola sprayed on the bone dry weed while it is being compressed; the spray kept kilo bundle from fallling apart and hold its shape (not to add weight). Those are my experiences with imports...as for domestic, I can not recall one incident where is was compressed. Shrink wrapped...yes, tight bundled, yes--but not compressed via trash compactor.

Man thats sad.you missed alot of superfine smoke back in the day.where did you live when these horrible things were done to ya'lls smoke?

 

[EclipseFour20]

Who said it was horrible. I sold most of my wares to middlemen who probably sold it to you or your parents, lol. The stuff was always top drawer...in it's day. Remember my complication.

In my "candy man days" (1980s) let's just say I delivered to establishments on Santa Monica Blvd that if you had 16 track systems, they were considered Smithsonian quality.

 

[seventhchild]

Who said it was horrible. I sold most of my wares to middlemen who probably sold it to you or your parents, lol. The stuff was always top drawer...in it's day. Remember my complication.

In my "candy man days" (1980s) let's just say I delivered to establishments on Santa Monica Blvd that if you had 16 track system, it was considered Smithsonian quality.

actually it sounds like ,if i had lived on the west coast,i could have been hanging out with your parents when you were born. I say it's horrible that you never got to smoke any imported,uncompressed , small farmer grown weed.apparently we are talking about different times and markets.

 

[EclipseFour20]

The only time I smoked "import weed" that was not compressed was when it considered "local" to me. In other words, the best smoke I ever had (my benchmark for all others) is some sticky Cambodian Ganja I smoked while in stationed in "parts unknown" somewhere in Asia. While in Vienna, Frankfurt and in St Petersburg I smoked the "local weed"--but you had to be "local" to smoke the best. It seemed the stuff packed for "export" was always "less spectacular" than what we smoked "locally"...lol.

So horrible, nah--but when discussing "wholesale", reality is reality. Back on those days, when you broke open a kilo--it was expected that you had to "put some lipstick" on those buds; make em pretty not look flat. But you had to be careful, some consumers wanted flat buds, as they new it was "fresh" from the kilo.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Most of the exotic weed was flown in (thanks to Military Airlift Command) and it had to be compressed. Everything from South America was compressed and Jamaican was never compressed (maybe due to Bob Marley's influence...lol). If the Thai was second hand it was loose, but compressed when you opened a fresh bundle, some had printed stickers with a blue colored eagle with words "passed inspection" below it. When you saw that, you knew it was the real thing--that sticker was one the biggest family in Thailand's trademark. Mex weed (which was not my cup of tea) was always compressed and sticky--not from resins, but from the Coco Cola sprayed on the bone dry weed while it is being compressed; the spray kept kilo bundle from fallling apart and hold its shape (not to add weight). Those are my experiences with imports...as for domestic, I can not recall one incident where is was compressed. Shrink wrapped...yes, tight bundled, yes--but not compressed via trash compactor.


BTW...most of South American weed (Reds, browns, blondes, etc) was cured outside in the shade either hanging or inside burlap sacks. Some were cured right under the sun like much of the Acapulco Gold was--those plants were turned but sun dried/cured. Others might have other experiences...but these things I know and saw with my own eyes.

Great Stories Eclipse. I think you know what you are talking about because I concur about the Jamaican. I saw big plastic garbage bags full of extremely fluffy/airy bud. It made me wonder how it got here. It was also the first green bud, and purely seedless I had seen. Even the best Colombian had a seed or two now and then. God, that was some good stuff. The good Colombian that was compressed and with the funky cure tasted way better though, but I preferred the Jamaican and Thai highs. Again, our differences are a matter of taste.

Did you see the Coco Cola thing with your own eyes? I grew some weed myself that smelled like root beer.

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Oh yes, one more thing, for now. I remember getting quantity of good import, usually Colombian, but also got some of the high grade in the same batch, usually much higher grade than the fairly good main batch. I don't remember if that was compressed or not. It was usually lighter in color, except for the Colombian Black, which looked completely composted and just a glob on a stem. All bud features, leaf and calyxes, were melted together, in a chocolate brown/black mass. Looked like hash on a stem except it was loaded with seeds. It was better than the Gold, IMHO, and most other batches. Equally good was something that was extremely multicolored, brown, gold, red, green, and tasted like balsam wood and hash, probably Punto Rojo. Phenomenal stuff.

Ah the old days....

ThaiBliss

 

[stihgnobevoli]

Riddle, buds in the 60s & 70s were not "gorgeous". Trust me I moved kilos of the shit. The came to me as compressed mass, about the size of a big phone book. Even the Thai Sticks--were a compressed mass. The beauty thing started about 20 years ago when the demand for seeded weed waned.

i think that's prolly more down to a beauty is in the eye of the beholder thing.

when i was starting to smoke weed looked sorta like this. mostly more mashed and bricked, usually more brown and yellow than green. if it was green it was dark not lime. (this is some local outdro what we woulda called mids back then)

back then we thought the best weed should look like this. oh man look at those red hairs!!!

but later on, bout 6-8 years after i started smoking everyone started offering us weed that looked like this, for ridiculous prices, because then it was all about the crystals. i believe some people even started dipping weed in glass?

but at the end of the day...

i find i really like most of the weed that looks like this.

while a lot of the time even when the weed looks like this.
eh...it's still pretty weak compared to that downtown charlie brown, reggie miller, huckabee, shwag whatever you wanna call it.



i think the moral of that story was bag appeal is subjective to the current hype machine of the week but nothing beats a good old fashioned sativa?
i mean 16 weeks vs 8 weeks. thats 2x the amount of energy harnessed to create "high", from a logistics standpoint there's really no argument. it's all subjective to what you like at the end of the day.

but i don't base it on looks.

 

[TheCleanGame]

Dude, I never said quality buds are "green buds"...I just said his buds look "dark". In my lifetime (61 next year) I have seen yellow/golden buds, dark green buds, super dark--almost black buds, redish buds, and of course "lime green" buds--so the buds "pigment color" can vary and have nothing (but everything) to do with "bud quality".

When I say I can 'see' that someone's bud isn't quality it's on a number of points. The natural bud 'color' has very little to do with it.

In the short 25 years I've been using cannabis I have never had truly 'clean' tasting, 100% cannabis flavored cannabis that was 'green' in color. I've been in several states, quite a few dispensaries (what a joke) and sampled private bud from a number of growers during that time.

When you can grow stuff that looks like high times cup winning stuff (accolades by ignorants... whoopie!) that actually tastes like 100% cannabis and is super clean and properly cured... I'll start growing/curing that way. Until then I'll keep going *Gack* while everyone else around me says *Yum* to the green garbage.

By the way? I'm in the top .01% for sensitivity to taste/smell/touch, so there's a whole lot of non-cannabis that I can detect that the next 1000 folks can't. I have a completely different level of quality requirements for the definition of "Top Shelf" cannabis.

Yes, bag appeal is definitely being defined by the ignorant masses.

 

[bigbudzzzz]

I still got all my leaves and she'z still green and mean.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Funny... I don't ever remember weed tasting harsh before the early 80s. Even the bad weed tasted decent, or at least smooth. Some of it was expansive and made me cough, like hash, but not harsh at the back of the throat. That is a relatively new phenomenon, for me anyway. And I used to smoke leaves and stems when I was desperate.


You can tell I'm really old when anything after 1985 is "new".


To me, 1985 was the time that weed started to change. Every year, less and less likely to find supreme quality. Just to reassure those who think it is all in my head. I grew and smoked the best weed in my life 10 years ago, which is a lot more recent than '85.

All the Best my Friends,

ThaiBliss

 

[seventhchild]

i think that's prolly more down to a beauty is in the eye of the beholder thing . i think the moral of that story was bag appeal is subjective to the current hype machine of the week but nothing beats a good old fashioned sativa?
i mean 16 weeks vs 8 weeks. thats 2x the amount of energy harnessed to create "high", from a logistics standpoint there's really no argument. it's all subjective to what you like at the end of the day.

well put.also agree on the swag comment.have a few friends bring buds back from colorado that , IMHO,was mexican in fancy clothes.they seemed so proud of it and had paid so much,it made me sad.

 

[Riddleme]

Really nice to see this turn into a conversation rather than a debate

some good stories from the past

 

[seventhchild]

i don't guess i will know what the best weed i've ever smoked was until i;m alying on my deathbed.maybe not even then.but i'm pretty sure i grew it..no maybe that was that other stuff..ah no...maybe....so many good smokes,so many jumbled memories......i do remember the WORST smoke ever.....no, wait,that was shrooms,right,NEVER try to smoke cubes,bad bad bad...

 

[EclipseFour20]

Just for the record, back in the day--glass bongs were super expensive so either you made your own from bamboo or from plastic....or did without. So most of us smoked joints (pinners if it was great) and a simple thing called "Power Hitter" was the rage.

"Onward through the fog was" their slogan...lol. This thread has a couple of pics of it "in action". https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=4165965

No fancy glassware, no perculators, no ash catchers, just weed and Zig Zags...and the Power Hitter if you wanted to jump to lulu land.

Not saying it was hard in my days...just saying some of us blazed the paths to make it easier today.

 

[Riddleme]

Ahhh the Power Hitter, never owned one but used em lol

My fav was the fish pump auto bong, put the mask on and just breath. Think it cost me $80 bucks back in the 70's. Freakin thing was awesome at parties

 

[TheCleanGame]

have a few friends bring buds back from colorado that , IMHO,was mexican in fancy clothes.they seemed so proud of it and had paid so much,it made me sad.

Tell me about it, Ugh... been here 4 years and it's amazing what double decade experienced growers around here call "Fire" *cough*gack*cough*puke*

Working to change that though

There are a huge number of changes coming to the cannabis scene as people begin to talk without having to look over their shoulder. Loving it here in Colorado for that

 

[seventhchild]

if you get caught growing indoors round these parts is an ass whooping and prison time. most ain't gonna risk going through that for some so so buzz no matter how pretty the buds are.if i find one of my friends getting to proud of some ho hum bunk because its cute and/or has a high yield i just have him fire up some special nug i got,let it soak in a little while,then offer 4 or 5 cuts to take home.damn near 100% success rate here but probably won't work in colo.them kids hooked on the look.