energy breakthrough?!?!

[mexweed]

before the sun actually burns out it will heat up to the point that it depletes carbon dioxide and photosynthesizing organisms will die off which will drop atmospheric oxygen levels dramatically and it's going to happen too fast for adaptation, as the oxygen decreases methane will increase and the ozone layer will cease to exist, the resulting radiation will destroy all life that was able to survive up until that point

there won't even be cockroaches, only microbes

 

[GMT]

Yeah rolls Royce shares are looking very tasty for the future at today's prices.

 

[RobFromTX]

before the sun actually burns out it will heat up to the point that it depletes carbon dioxide and photosynthesizing organisms will die off which will drop atmospheric oxygen levels dramatically and it's going to happen too fast for adaptation, as the oxygen decreases methane will increase and the ozone layer will cease to exist, the resulting radiation will destroy all life that was able to survive up until that point

there won't even be cockroaches, only microbes

Well thats a real drag

 

[mexweed]

still in excess of 500 million years from now though

 

[armedoldhippy]

batteries constantly improving. a new one in development (solid state) supposedly will not wear out, good for hundreds if not thousands of charges. another development claims to be battery-free, using a liquid solution to enable the chemical reaction that creates the electricity the motor runs off of. article says that liquid will last for over 1000 miles. if we can't make EVs work, horses or walking will be our only long-term option.

 

[Three Berries]

Not enough lithium or cobalt in the world to power a world wide EV fleet, let alone utility level electrical distribution. Best save that for small devices.

 

[chilliwilli]

batteries constantly improving. a new one in development (solid state) supposedly will not wear out, good for hundreds if not thousands of charges. another development claims to be battery-free, using a liquid solution to enable the chemical reaction that creates the electricity the motor runs off of. article says that liquid will last for over 1000 miles. if we can't make EVs work, horses or walking will be our only long-term option.

I think the problem with the ev is the short time u could store the energy. Some years ago a famous german scientist calculated how much energy would be used. Iirc when all cars were ev and 20% of the owners try to charge them at once germany would need an electric grid 4-5 times the size that is today just for the carging.

I personally love the concept of the sono sion, an ev with solar build in. On average u get 17km/10mi per day from solar in germany.

Hydrogen is another way but has also the problem with safe and efficient longterm storing of the energy.
Liquid Organic Hydrogen Carriers(LOHC) sound nice because u could store the hydrogen safe and for longterm. But theynare not usable for cars because a lot of the stored energy is thermal energy.

 

[RobFromTX]

batteries constantly improving. a new one in development (solid state) supposedly will not wear out, good for hundreds if not thousands of charges. another development claims to be battery-free, using a liquid solution to enable the chemical reaction that creates the electricity the motor runs off of. article says that liquid will last for over 1000 miles. if we can't make EVs work, horses or walking will be our only long-term option.

Lol two thirds of the country would self implode once they realized they had to walk around to get by.

 

[Chunkypigs]

most people are very ignorant about energy and don't understand the most basic facts.
you can get the basics in less than an hour here.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Lol two thirds of the country would self implode once they realized they had to walk around to get by.

might be a good time to invest in bicycles, lol. i'm starting to think that the Amish might just be right. they still get around by horseback/carriage pretty well. they raise a LOT of their own food, raise/train/sell horses, no electricity bill...hmmm. do they know something that most don't?

 

[Tynehead Tom]

Not enough lithium or cobalt in the world to power a world wide EV fleet, let alone utility level electrical distribution. Best save that for small devices.

agreed but those who make the choices for us are just going to start damming more rivers for "clean" hydro power. Power generating structures that the climate change fanatics call zero carbon footprint energy..... while those dams give us that clean energy they also destroy entire ecosystems by flooding valleys and preventing the natural migrations of fish and wildlife.
I do think the nuclear mini reactors are going to be the near future alternative to powering the EV charging grids. However that may not be widely accepted so more rivers will be dammed, more agricultural areas converted from growing food and livestock to fields of wind and solar equipment.
EV is not the way forward unless we downsize our personal vehicles to the size of a 2 seater side by side type vehicle. Small, lightweight, single and 2 seaters running on EV power makes sense and if all the cities adopted these smaller , near gokart sized vehicles for intercity travel..... that would make more sense than trying to power a fully loaded F-150 with EV technology...... that is where humans are going backwards.

If we want EV to be the future, then we have to go back to the drawingboard and recreate the modern day EV commuter vehicle. Instead stupid humans are trying to adapt EV technology to thier favorite trucks and cars of today. So , drastically downsize the commuter vehicle and make them incredibly affordable for anyone to own. Otherwise ..... EV's are a waste of time. -45C last night..... a balmy -28 right now at noon:15.
Ya ..... interior BC aint switching to EV by 2030 LOL not a snowballs chance in hell that's gonna fly LOL

 

[RobFromTX]

might be a good time to invest in bicycles, lol. i'm starting to think that the Amish might just be right. they still get around by horseback/carriage pretty well. they raise a LOT of their own food, raise/train/sell horses, no electricity bill...hmmm. do they know something that most don't?

Oh definitely. Self reliant. My friend in Great Falls sees them all the time. If you can pull it off in Montana you can do it anywhere

 

[trichrider]

energy in does not calculate the required infrastructure. so no, not right now.
we are paying for hydro infrastructure to this day.
wind doesn't always blow, sunlight only part of the day and none after a snowstorm.
both have short half-lifes and disposal problems.
we need hydrogen power sooner than later.

 

[armedoldhippy]

those who make the choices for us are just going to start damming more rivers for "clean" hydro power

it takes a certain combination of geographical features all coming together in the same place for hydro to be feasible. the vast majority of those already have dams sitting there. those that have NOT been dammed already have not been for reasons that turn them into a 3rd rail of sorts, putting them out of reach of TVA etc.

 

[Frosty Nuggets]

Where do you get the hydrogen from? Electrolysing water to release the hydrogen, where do you get the electricity from? Not to mention that you get LESS energy out than what you put in.

 

[GMT]

H1 and H2 aren't problems, H3 is a problem.
They cheat frosty, it's that simple, they refuse to count matter/fuel as energy in. So the sums look great. Your mile per gallon figures would look great, if you counted your fuel input as zero. "Yeah it needs petrol but we don't count that in the figures, it gets a million miles on no energy in". Brilliant, here's your grant cheque. Hmmm, waiting for musk to catch on and use this trick to sell his vehicles. Seems about his level.

 

[Three Berries]

Electricity is in the air all around us.

 

[trichrider]

Where do you get the hydrogen from? Electrolysing water to release the hydrogen, where do you get the electricity from? Not to mention that you get LESS energy out than what you put in.

There may be a solution to this particular problem, however. Researchers at the University of California, Santa Cruz (UCSC) have found a way to produce hydrogen by developing a special type of aluminum composite that reacts with water at room temperature.

On its own, aluminum is a reactive material that splits oxygen away from water molecules, leaving hydrogen gas behind.

Aluminum won't necessarily do this on its own, however. That's because at room temperature the metal forms a layer of aluminum oxide, which essentially protects it from reacting with water.

What scientists have discovered is that by using an easily produced composite of gallium and aluminum, it is possible to get this material to react with water at room temperature, producing hydrogen.

"We don't need any energy input, and it bubbles hydrogen like crazy," said UCSC chemistry professor Scott Oliver in a university press release. "I've never seen anything like it."

The fact that this aluminum-gallium mixture produces hydrogen has been known for decades. But what the UCSC team found was that increasing the concentration of gallium in the composite also increased the production of hydrogen.

"Our method uses a small amount of aluminum, which ensures it all dissolves into the majority gallium as discrete nanoparticles," Oliver said.

What's more, the composite can be made with easily accessible aluminum sources like foil or cans.

The downside is that gallium is relatively expensive, although it can be recovered in this process and reused multiple times. Another downside is that there is still no widespread uptake of hydrogen fuel cells. While it is possible to burn hydrogen directly as a fuel, it can be hazardous, and tanks often must be highly pressurized to contain useful amounts of it.

Green Hydrogen Breakthrough Sees Water Turned to Energy at Room Temperature

The process has not yet gone to commercial use, but it could prove useful in a world where hydrogen gas is mostly produced through nonrenewable methods.

www.newsweek.com

&
Cheap And Easy Hydrogen (Brown's Gas) Generator

 

[Frosty Nuggets]

The production of the aluminium and gallium takes energy (electricity), where does that come from?

 

[Three Berries]

The production of the aluminium and gallium takes energy (electricity), where does that come from?

New aluminum from bauxite is a huge user of electricity.